DOA vs Tekken

Originally posted by Sam Z

Because you are an idiot, you already forgot your own post. You said that Ryu can dodge it because he fought people with same ability as you showed in the video and i can quote you, so yes you was comparing that attack that is visible and slow to the Kazuya's invisible, you called them similar and after that you asked what makes me sure authors didn't forgot to put them, you are not only dumb but you have short memory too.

And you forgot what you post, you insisted the attack worked by kazuya just looking at you. when I asked you what does tk have to do with eye's your attack change. so stop avioding and explain why ryu can't dodge it. I don't care what my original argument was.

Originally posted by Sam Z

I already explained but what the hell, you compare 20 tekken characters to 20 deamons Ryu fought to point out that he can fight many at the same time, but each tekken character can fight same amount opponents as Ryu so thinking that his ability to fight multiple opponents somehow would change the outcome is just stupid because if Ryu can beat many deamons it doesn'n mean he can beat all tekkens.

...You mentioned spiderman being able to beat 100 humans but not 100 wolverines or daredevil so wtf does that mean, and again do you have proof that tekken characters can beat 60-100 demons at once?

Originally posted by Sam Z

You are a liar Blue nocturne, if you played all tekken you wouldn't have asked for proofs that Yoshimitsu can teleport because if you played it more than 30 minutes you would've known that, but seems you really ask for proofs just for fun, if so than don't waste my time.
As for devil within. Quote of the story of devil within "After tournament Jin searched for way to rid himself of the devil" "Jin learned of a certain foreign laboratory and headed straight for it"
Quote from Jin kazama prologue of STORY MODE "Jin sets out on a journy to end this evil, with destiny as his only guide." Wonder what Journy are they talking about. And pay attention to "end this evil" in other words to get rid of gevil gene because of his nightmares. So devil within follows his story in stroymode too.

Yeah this teleportation + ki blast was the only thing you could come up with for many pages, and now it is teleportation miles away 👆

you just answered your on question, when I said let's play proof I was joking, and if you think quotes are proof your stupidier than I thought. get a quote from namco saying "Devil Within" is canon okay.

Originally posted by Sam Z
This is not even funny anymore. I conrodicted myself? It is you who can't deside if there is head or there isn't. Sorry but saying Ryu defeated Vigoor doesn't mean you discuss how is gonna Ryu beat all tekken, so yes, your only argument before was teleportation + ki(that originally was aimed at Ryu vs Kazuya) and now it is teleportation far away that is not even an argument.

I said more than ryu defeated vigor, Sam-z just because you didn't take the argument doesn't mean it wasn't one. you accused me of using ki blast = teleportation only in the kazuya vs ryu argument

Originally posted by Sam Z

Do you realise that the more you insist there is head in tekken 3 intro the more you get embarrassed?
Coming from a guy whoi couldn't see Yoshimitsu teleporting in the link of the fight, coming from a guy who sees waves when there are none, coming from aguy who can't remember his own posts like in case of someone givving me link, coming from a guy who sees Jun's head in tekken 3 intro even though there is no head.

Because yoshimitsu didn't teleport he just reappeared from stealth mode in the same fashion he vanished but to you that's reappearing okay...and when did I say kazuya's ending had waves quote me, and you accuse me of saying someone gave you the link to the tekken 3 intro yet you haven't quoted me saying someone gave you the tekken 3 intro. my post said you never listen to what someone one gives you, and I proceeded to list things you've ignored. the point wasn't they gave it to you the point is you ignored them. but some how you can prove my intent. 😆

Originally posted by Sam Z

By saying "and" I assume you finally admitted you keep thinking that authors forgot to make waves. How can i discuss with you Kazuya's attack if you keep saying that it is similar to the one you showed in the video?

by saying "AND" I amitt the authors forgot the waves 😆 you crack me up. again I asked you how hayabusa's teleport is useless since you claimed he couldn't dodge it based on the fact that you couldn't understand how tk worked ( that's why I keep bringing up the focus/looking argument) 'Till now you ignored it good job.

Originally posted by Sam Z

The original reason was focusin but i by mistake used wrong word and you know that but still keep pointing me at that. And when i asked you how is he gonna dodge it you brought some video with attack that you called simillar that was your explabnation, so again, don't ask questions to avoid answering my, prove that he can dodge it.

Prove He Can Dodge It 😆 😆 😆

Sam-z you had no Idea how tk works, I can prove it ,lemme ask you what does tk have to do with your eye's? The only reason why I brought the focus/looking argument was because I believed it was as fast as you claimed. but problem is for you it wasn't and thus hayabusa can dodge it based on his speed and teleportation. if you insist the attack is unavoidable prove it. show me yoshi or raven getting hit.. because heiachi is nethear fast nor a teleporter.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

And now I'll explain you why you pulled all this out of your ass. You never asked, i said Kazuya or Jin could beat Ryu and we started debating about Kazuya, so again you never asked how.

Your lying, this is what I asked you:

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Then name jins feats.

Why do you think I asked you, just to know? you insisted jin beat's ryu and never said why.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

What i said was "Hwoarang can hold his own against Ryu for some time.

Your lying again:

Originally posted by Sam Z
Again Hwoarang is a match for Ryu aswell and would beat all DOA characters if in 1on1 fights.

so prove it.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

What i said was their speed are close to Ryu's and I did proved that, i never said Yoshi can run on water, you pulled that out of you ass just now, same about leaving imagas, and i never said Yoshi can vanish bacause of his speed, try to quote me. I said he has stelth camo and I proved it.

When did I say that you claimed yoshi can run on water, when did I say you claimed yoshi can leave after images, when did I say you claimed yoshi can vanish by ruinning? I never asked you to prove he has stealth camo, You said he's as fast as ryu and I just asked you to prove it. show me yoshi running on water, moving so fast he vanishes and leaving after images only than will his speed be comparable with ryu's.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

I explained how but you missed it. Ryu will be hit by other from distance to distract or to hurt and then Yoshi can finish him, and for God's sake don't bring that crap that he'll teleport miles away coz it's dumb. So yes I explained how.

Sam-z, you just made a scenrio which didn't even acknowledge my argument, I don't care how much you whine and moan. if ryu teleports farway only a few peole can follow him and how are they gonna get past The art of the ice storm?

Originally posted by Sam Z

It is your job to prove that he can because you support him in this thread. And for now your explanation was slow and visible attack from the doa video. So this reason is bullcrap.

Sam-z I asked why because I refuted your originally argument about why ryu couldn't dodge it (Ryu can't move faster than kazuya can look) so now that looking/focus argument is done your orginally reason for why ryu can't dodge it and that rebuttla I posted (The video) is Moot. so it's up to you to give a new reason as to why ryu can't dodge kazuya's tk unless you insist on not using it.

Originally posted by Sam Z

You never asked how, you only said this is one of ways for him to win and to do that you yet have to prove he can avoid being hit from the distance.

I never changed the reason for him being able to dodge it, you on the other hand changed the way the tk works so explain how he can hit ryu?

Originally posted by Sam Z

It can hit for few dozens of meters for sure and you saw that in the links i gave, so I proved that.

You never gave a video with devil jins laser, I know I did though. and a few dozens of meters doesn't equal a mile.

Originally posted by Sam Z

So it leaves us [B]ONLY Paul vs everyone 1 on 1, coz all others are bull. [/B]

Their bull cause you refuse to answer them.

Originally posted by Sam Z

1) Ryu can beat all at the same time

Were debating that right now, I didn't completely ignore it like you have been ignoring stuff.

Originally posted by Sam Z

2) Ryu can dodge Kazuya's attack

By teleportation, like I said several times I refuted your orginal argument about the specifics of the TK (Focus/Looking bull) so all your points about "Ryu can't move faster than kazuya can look" are moot. so again tell me why ryiu can dodge it since your original reason is moot.

Originally posted by Sam Z

3) KOed T-rex

You mean jann lee you keep asking for it but fine.http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=8842&type=wmv&pl=game

Originally posted by Sam Z

4) Attack destroying something more impressive than scyscrappers or forest.

Why? I never said he could, I said he's stronger than ayane.

Originally posted by Sam Z

5) That there is head in tekken 3 intro
And unlike your examples these are not bullcrap but a fact, you didn't proved any of the example above.

So far everyone has said there is, hell i even see it

Originally posted by Sam Z

Number? Yoshi is not my fav character at all but I know four teleportation moves during the game play and in the video of Bryan it he teleports as well, first gets at stelth camo, then teleports and that is clear.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

Because you said he can defeat all at the same time and that means he is more powerfull than them all in all aspects so I want to see proofs that he can destroy something more impressive than forest or 3 buldings, so please, I'm waiting.

Well I never said he can destroy something more impressive than an aircraft, since hayabusa doesn't really have many showings. until doa 4 and ninja gaiden.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

Again, originally it was my mistake in english, so yes - focusing, and this again draggs us to the question, how long it takes you to focus on something. Manytimes less then second, even though you yet assume this attack is slow and visible it is not. So prove he can.

Focusing can take several minutes up to hours depending on how skilled you are it's much harder than looking because you must maintain your concentration without breaking it.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

And last thing. You reall can't make sure what idea you support, sometimes you say there is head, sometimes you say there isn't but it is question of your stupidity only, it is clear you prefere to think that there is so just for laughes. I want you to realise what a liar and fanboy you are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IrhAJQLK_Y&search=tekken%203%20intro Here is tekken 3 intro, please I beg you, tell me where do you see Juns head in tekken 3 intro? Oh this will gonna be some fun.

Originally posted by shin_remy
ryu hayabusa have defeated gods in his game, (NG )

like jin have defeated Ogre ( the fake god )

soo he can take the whole team of Tekken, i'm pretty sure off it

Here's were shin remy said it sam z.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Where in the rules does it say he can't teleport sam-z. and I never specified the boundaries of the fight. let's say it was 1 kilometer north,south, east and west. prove to me the distance atacks can hit that range.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

And hayabusa leading the teleporters away from some of the others is a new reason, I've been saying for a while now. you just refuse to accept it.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

The fact that you couldn't realize I was talking about devil, and proceeded to mention devil in the same post proves your a liar.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

and WTF are you talking about everyone. this is between me and you. hell no one's supported your argument at all. but what does that matter this is between me and you.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Is this a serious question? Yes it takes longer to focus than to just look.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Of course those quotes are about ryu vs kazuya, you just told me previously that I didn't post anything but one argument during ryu vs kazuya debate here's what you said:

So why are you bringing ryu vs tekken in that particular argument?

At first you say this.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Run away how? I gave you several points during the tekken vs ryu argument

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

...Sam-z I told you I'm not a tekken expert, and now your saying I know how far th beam is. for all I know it can be a few feet. you insist it's far,hell you insist it can hit about a mile away so prove your words. and again nowhere in the rules does it say a person can't go further than a mile or teleport out of range.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

What's the point if ryu teleports, the only people that can follow him are yoshi, raven and ogre. he can speed blitz ogre and yoshi at the same time from anywhere. and even if yoshi dodges it ogre would be most likely be caught. if yoshi and raven decide to jump in art of the icestorm on their asses which would suck in ogre to. hell if ogre somehow manages to get away and tries to blast ryu with his dragon breath. ryu high powered winds would blow the fire away while yoshi and raven freeze to death. than speed blitz again doesn't mater how high he flies.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

and cut the crap about jin using no effort. devil jin destroyed the forest and he had to scream real freakin loud and it took him a while.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

anyway with the telepoters gone

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

ryu could just go in and out of battle teleporting. picking out the weak fighters like xiao yu or asuka and before teleporting away again.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

oh and as for jins beam go ahead with all those fighters he's bound to hit one of his own unless your saying they can all dodge it and even if they do he can use art of the icestorm on anyone close to him and if anyone tries to interfere speed blitz teleport away.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

know your using non canon feats okay ryu uses his original ninja gaiden ability and freezes time everybody dies.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And you forgot what you post, you insisted the attack worked by kazuya just looking at you. when I asked you what does tk have to do with eye's your attack change. so stop avioding and explain why ryu can't dodge it. I don't care what my original argument was.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

...You mentioned spiderman being able to beat 100 humans but not 100 wolverines or daredevil so wtf does that mean, and again do you have proof that tekken characters can beat 60-100 demons at once?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

you just answered your on question, when I said let's play proof I was joking, and if you think quotes are proof your stupidier than I thought. get a quote from namco saying "Devil Within" is canon okay.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I said more than ryu defeated vigor, Sam-z just because you didn't take the argument doesn't mean it wasn't one. you accused me of using ki blast = teleportation only in the kazuya vs ryu argument

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Because yoshimitsu didn't teleport he just reappeared from stealth mode in the same fashion he vanished but to you that's reappearing okay...

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

and when did I say kazuya's ending had waves quote me,

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

and you accuse me of saying someone gave you the link to the tekken 3 intro yet you haven't quoted me saying someone gave you the tekken 3 intro. my post said you never listen to what someone one gives you, and I proceeded to list things you've ignored. the point wasn't they gave it to you the point is you ignored them. but some how you can prove my intent. 😆

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

by saying "AND" I amitt the authors forgot the waves 😆 you crack me up. again I asked you how hayabusa's teleport is useless since you claimed he couldn't dodge it based on the fact that you couldn't understand how tk worked ( that's why I keep bringing up the focus/looking argument) 'Till now you ignored it good job.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

[B] Prove He Can Dodge It [/B]

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Sam-z you had no Idea how tk works, I can prove it ,lemme ask you what does tk have to do with your eye's? The only reason why I brought the focus/looking argument was because I believed it was as fast as you claimed. but problem is for you it wasn't and thus hayabusa can dodge it based on his speed and teleportation. if you insist the attack is unavoidable prove it. show me yoshi or raven getting hit.. because heiachi is nethear fast nor a teleporter.

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Your lying, this is what I asked you:

Why do you think I asked you, just to know? you insisted jin beat's ryu and never said why.

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Your lying again:

so prove it.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

When did I say that you claimed yoshi can run on water, when did I say you claimed yoshi can leave after images, when did I say you claimed yoshi can vanish by ruinning? I never asked you to prove he has stealth camo, You said he's as fast as ryu and I just asked you to prove it. show me yoshi running on water, moving so fast he vanishes and leaving after images only than will his speed be comparable with ryu's.

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Sam-z, you just made a scenrio which didn't even acknowledge my argument, I don't care how much you whine and moan. if ryu teleports farway only a few peole can follow him and how are they gonna get past The art of the ice storm?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Sam-z I asked why because I refuted your originally argument about why ryu couldn't dodge it (Ryu can't move faster than kazuya can look) so now that looking/focus argument is done your orginally reason for why ryu can't dodge it and that rebuttla I posted (The video) is Moot. so it's up to you to give a new reason as to why ryu can't dodge kazuya's tk unless you insist on not using it.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

I never changed the reason for him being able to dodge it, you on the other hand changed the way the tk works so explain how he can hit ryu?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

You never gave a video with devil jins laser, I know I did though. and a few dozens of meters doesn't equal a mile.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Their bull cause you refuse to answer them.

Yeah ok, no one supports my point that Tekken wins even though majority voted so You are clever as usually...

Don't base support on votes, most people see the thread name and simply pick their favourite game and leave.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Were debating that right now, I didn't completely ignore it like you have been ignoring stuff.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

By teleportation, like I said several times I refuted your orginal argument about the specifics of the TK (Focus/Looking bull) so all your points about "Ryu can't move faster than kazuya can look" are moot. so again tell me why ryiu can dodge it since your original reason is moot.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

You mean jann lee you keep asking for it but fine.http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=8842&type=wmv&pl=game

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Why? I never said he could, I said he's stronger than ayane.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

6-7 during gameplay, 2 post fight dialogue.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Well I never said he can destroy something more impressive than an aircraft, since hayabusa doesn't really have many showings. until doa 4 and ninja gaiden.

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Focusing can take several minutes up to hours depending on how skilled you are it's much harder than looking because you must maintain your concentration without breaking it.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

So far everyone has said there is, hell i even see it

Wrong again, I'm not asking you what everyone says, I asked you to point me at her head in tekken 3 intro. Here is it again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IrhAJQLK_Y&search=tekken%203%20intro
I'll ask again, on which second of this tekken 3 intro video do you see Jun's seperated head. I'll be honest with you, I'm enjoying this.

Originally posted by Zen2nd
Don't base support on votes, most people see the thread name and simply pick their favourite game and leave.

He said noone supports my argument at all. Votes don't determine everything but the still mean SOMETHING.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Here's were shin remy said it sam z.

Yeah and here what he said in Ryu vs Raiden thread.

Originally posted by shin_remy

I think that Raiden probably wins, but i see also a chance for ryu to win..

But to be honest his posts became much better now. Atleast much more reasonable then yours.

Ryu is my boy but how the f@ck is he going to beat Kazuya?Kazuya's feats:At the age of ten was thrown of a mountain the the bottom and survived then climbed back up to the top,Tekken 1 beat every body in the Iron fist tournament then beat his seamanly invisible eclectically powered Dad then throw him of a mountain and took over his Dads billion dollar company all at the age of 18.Tekken 2 became one with the devil blow up a hole sky scrapper with one blast and survived being thrown in the belly of a volcano.Tekken 4 awoke after being in a volcano for two years then worked with some sincerest on his DNA and how to control his devil form for 18 year( so he has to be pretty damn smart now) then beat 50 armed men with special body armer in a few minutes then made it to the end of the Iron fist tournament and beat his Dad(Heihachi) again,Tekken 5 beat over 100 Jack robots sent to kill him with the help of Heihachi then changed into Devil form and flue away as Honmaru was blowing up then made it to the end of the tournament again beating raven on the way then beat his grandafuther who survived the explosion and had been chained under the Honmaru for 30 years with out food are water(he was the first to have the devil gene).Heihachi after surviving the explosion and crash landed 2 miles away he said the the Mishima family is invisible.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Well, they start the story from canon events about Heihachi being attacked and then they tell what happened next.

As far as I remember you mentioned that during devil within he has pants from tekken 3. And as for styles, I'll say this again. He moves just like Jin in story mode and his style is traditional karate.

Anyway, it doesn't matter because I'm not debating devilwithin now...

Dude, you just said it was a Mishima Zaibatsu Lab, not the battle of Honmaru...

As for Jun's Decapitated Head... tell me something then, what was that thing that Ogre picked up? a lump of shit with hair in it? Righto... 🙄

And as for the styles in DW... Dude, I already told you several pages ago what the specific moves where to get the attacks I mentioned, and they are all used in Normal mode... Normal Jin after Tekken 3 using Mishima techniques is canonically contradictory to his story, The proof has all been layed out before you Samo, now either directly refute it with proof that overrides mine, or let it go.

Originally posted by Sam Z
lol What staff? Ryu >> tekken was one of your main arguments and you've been ignoring proving it, not completly, but all your "proofs" about it were worthless.

I just posted an argument, whcih you ignored I can repost it if you like?

Originally posted by Sam Z

So saying "by teleportation" = "proving"?? 😕 I asked proofs and for now the only proof you had was that old video. And as for "why can't dodge" I already told you, it is you who have to prove that he can because my "original reason" was just attack we saw in the video.

And the original reason was refuted, therefore making all the original points moot. you couldn't answer the question "What tk has to do with your eye's". So I'm asking you Now name a REASon why ryu can't dodge it because before you insisted he couldn't dodge it because "Ryu can't move faster than kazuya looks" so what is now since I refuted that argument already?

Originally posted by Sam Z

Yes, you gave Ayane's feat and said that Ryu is even stronger, means he can do everything Ayane can but better. I want to see some feat of him destroying something as impresive and I have all rights to ask for it since you say he'll beat all at the same time. You couldn't give it.

Sam-z ryu being stronger doesn't mean he can do everything ayane can do but better It means he's more skilled, and I never said he can do anything more impressive than that but if you want proof ryu is more skilled I'll give it to you. Hell kasumi rivals ayane and she can't even do feats like that, but she's skilled.

Originally posted by Sam Z

And?😬 several moves during gameplay and one during video isn't enough to know that Yoshi can taleport?

But not as obvious as ryu, hell as soon as you pick up doa you will know he can teleport.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Jin for now has only 3 canon games, so that are excuses, you just can't prove what I asked you to.

I never said I could prove it, Plus jin has been the main character in mostly all those games as opposed to ryu who only had a major role in doa 4 ( which wasn't that big).

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Originally posted by Sam Z

😂 Yeah ok many hours, I'm not saying to keep focusing or to meditate but to focus and it takes many times less then second (atleast usually it is so, can't speak for you though) so... 🙂

Sam-z focusing doesn't have a set time,if you insist it does prove it. because focusing varies in individuals.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

Wrong again, I'm not asking you what everyone says, I asked you to point me at her head in tekken 3 intro. Here is it again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IrhAJQLK_Y&search=tekken%203%20intro
I'll ask again, on which second of this tekken 3 intro video do you see Jun's seperated head. I'll be honest with you, I'm enjoying this.

I thought I did but w/e I guess we all mis things like when you missed ryu's teleportation in the link I gave you. guess were only humans.

Originally posted by Sam Z

But to be honest his posts became much better now. Atleast much more reasonable then yours.

Originally posted by Sam Z
I don't care how big the area they fight in, thats why I've been waiting for you to say he'll teleport far away, the fact is - first you say Ryu Hayabusa can defeat all tekken characters at the same time with ease, now you base your win on that to defeat them he'll have to run away from majority to fight only few of them, only those who can follow him (Yoshi, Ogre, Raven and maybe Jinpachi) and that is already dumb because it doesn't fits in vs forum, besides if they won't follow him it would mean he simply ran away from the fight and that's mean an instant win.

And I ask you to prove that I'm breaking the rules, you haven't posted nothing saying I broke any rules. I said he teleports out of range from projectiles. since you can't prove the distance of anybody in tekkens projectiles, correction since you refuse than my argument stands.

Originally posted by Sam Z

It is new but it is not a reason nor an argument because it is just stupid.

I don't care if you don't like, Your arguments were even more stupid yet i refuted them. I expect the same. if your just gonna keep calling them stupid they're just gonna stand.

Originally posted by Sam Z

You and I mention devil almost in every post and our posts are very long so don't make stupid excuses that you mentioned him in the post so i was supposed to realise that when you say kazuya not kazuya you was talking about devil.

... sam-z... read what you said , if we mention devil in every post about kazuya than why would I not be talking about him. especially if Im talking about his TK? 😕

Originally posted by Sam Z

You answered wrong, I asked you how long it takes you to focus on something?

Sam-z when is there ever a set time when it comes to focusing on something????

Originally posted by Sam Z

You are so pathetic Blue Nocturne, the truth is that you realised that i said you have no normal reasons about Ryu vs Teken but you bring all you ever said about Ryu vs Kazuya.

At first you say this.
Then when I ask which points, you instantly switch at Kazuya vs Ryu 🙄 Don't take it to hard, I got used for you doing such things.

Your lying, I gave you those points the same time I asked you how I was running away here:

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Run away how? I gave you several points during the tekken vs ryu argument

-He can teleport out of the distance attackers range, which would lead the teleporters like yoshi and raven to follow him out of range of the other fighters ( since they are the only ones able to pursue him) and fight them 2 on 1. using art of the icestorm to freeze them when they get tooo close, but you on the other hand have yet to truly counter, the only thing you said was "Ryu would get blasted between teleportation and yoshi and raven would attack" problem is this leads us back to the first point how would the other fighters blast him if he's well out of range and how would they pursue him?

Originally posted by Sam Z

Insist? You are a horrible liar, my point all along was that the only way to avoid EVERYONE except Yoshi and Raven Ryu would have to teleport few killometers away, that's what i said. And that means he simply ran away. What a great argument...

And my QUESTION which you ignore is prove to me that they have projectiles that can travel a few kilometers away.

Originally posted by Sam Z

That's what i wanted to hear again. First of all you still prefere to make it Ryu vs one or few because otherwise you are getting embarrassed because you can't prove your "vs everyone at the same time" and with ease. Second yor teleporting far away argument is just dumb because it means he ran away from the fight. Third, even 1 vs three you pulled of your ass, "blow fire away while Yoshi freeze to death" 😆 Yeah ok, getting his ass frighed and then beaten to death, I'm not even talking yet about Jinpachi who can follow Ryu as well and can paralize him from distance so it would be even easier.

😆 Of course your not gonna talk about them because everytime
someone does you just runaway like you did right now, I just gave you an argument and instead of giving me an argument you runaway how are yoshi and raven gonna get past art of the ice storm? hell if he puts art of the firewheel he can move while surrounded by flames how are yoshi and raven gonna touch him than. he can easily avoid jinpaichi or anyone else's attacks because he's the fastest one there and he has teleportation. he'll just spped blitz jinpaichi and ogre at the same time if anyone tries to interfere teleport away. your talking about someone who has enough stamina to fight for days oh and as for jinpaichi's paralyze crap that's BS because he just stuns you if he paralyzed you than you would be completely incapasated.. ryu can easily avoid that since he has teleportation and that attack is not fast at all.

Originally posted by Sam Z

lol yeah ok, he used a lot of efforts, he was screaming yeah that's pretty hard. He didn't even used any real attack to do it and even after he destroyed it he didn't even remembered he did it, he only knew it because he felt that he did it. Yeah - A LOT OF EFFORTS...
yeah ok 🙄

So it takes minimal effort to scream as loud as you can 😕 , and when he was done he reverted back to regular jin who never remembers what happens when he turned to devil.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Asuka weak based on what? 😕 While he teleports to attack one of them he'll be beaten by ten others because there are that much opponents and if he uses his icestorm shield he'll still be hit from distance by those who have distance attacks and or paralized by Jinpachi if we assume he didn't followed Ryu for the first time.

So your telling me that they will get a clear shot of ryu while he's being surrounded by ten people OKAY 🙄 like I said he'll just use Art of the icestorm to suck up his opponents and use them to sheild him from projectiles. if jinpaichi appears good luck being able to paralyze him with all those people in the way unless jinpaichi can home in on him.plus he can't get close.

Originally posted by Sam Z

I see you got back to your old argument that Tekken characters will kill each other lol way to go, you don;t keep in mind that there are still many guys that can hit him between teleportations even through shield and guys that can teleport (yes, they are still there because your explanation of him defeating them was hillarious) and 20 others who has just many powerfull attacks. But you know, if we take ALL these away, your argument will work...

Sam-z how is jin gonna hit him if he's in the middle of 10 fighters, without hitting his own men? and who are these many guy's that will hit ryu when he reappears because I told you ryu can reappear and attack at the sametime. plus he has art of the fire whhels which hurts them when they touch it and he can attck in toghether with that ninpo and move.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Sorry buddy but if I was using non-canon feats I would've said Jinpachi uses his last transformation to destroy world and everyone on it including Ryu but I'm not using non-canon feats, only showing you some videoes and I base myself only on fighter's real abilities.

Oh you mean when he said he would destroy the world and doesn't show it 😆 , and how is goinna move if Non canon ryu freezes time?

Originally posted by Sam Z
ME avoiding 😆 You are even now prefere to switch it at my english mistake to avoid the fact you forgot your own posts. When I asked you to prove that Ryu can dodge it you said he dodged similar attacks before and brought some video with absolutly differant attack. You maybe don't care about your original argument but I do care because when you say something you must know what are you talking about, so I'll ask again. Prove that Ryu can dodge it. Now don't switch subject and ask me to prove that he can't. It is you who must prove that he can. So prove.

And I told you that point about him dodging similar attacks is moot, the reason being was I refuted your original argument about the tk so answer me how will his tk hit him now (Since I refuted your original reason)

Originally posted by Sam Z

😂 You used Nightcrawler vs Hulk before, so what was that? I'll tell you it was an example, just like this one. And as for demons it all depends on the demons, so I'll tell you again, listen carefully this time. Ryu beating multiple opponents at the same time doesn't mean he can beat all tekken characters at the same time, this is weak and stupid argument.

IF it's weak why can't you give me a reason on why can lose, you just keep saying "He'll get hit by projectiles and get jumped by ten people in between teleports" and I told you ryu can attack and reappear at the sametime, hell I even told you if ten peole try to attack him then art of the ice storm which would suck them in and use them as sheilds if anyone uses a projectile. but if my argument is flawed answer this.

- how is are people with distance attacks gonna get a clear shot of ryu if he's surrounded by opponents and he can use them as sheilds because they would get sucked in his whirlwind?

Originally posted by Sam Z

Even though you was "joking" you was playing this "game" for entire thread and now when i only getting started to follow this "game's" rules you are instantly changing subject and all only to avoid proving your words.
😂 You want quote from namco saying exactly this - "yes Blue Nocturne, devil within is canon"? 😆 man you are dumb. There is no quotes about tekken 1 being canon as well, so we must assume it is not? And the fact is that even [B]storymode that is canon says about Jin's journy and the reason is the same as in devil within - to get rid of devil gene, but you are like a child, you wont quit arguing it even after getting cofirmation of it from canon story mode. [/B]

Actually there is quotes mentioning tekken one is canon it's from namco.com 😕

Originally posted by Sam Z
Yeah 🙄 and last time I asked you to name this "more" about Ryu vs Tekken you started naming Ryu vs Kazuya. The problem isn't that i didn't take them, the problem is that what you brough were or stupid or not a reasons at all. And that is true.

Please quote this time, and it doesn't matter if you think an argument is stupid refute it and stop whining.

Originally posted by Sam Z

I knew you'll gonna say that and it is another prove that when you watch videos I give you, you watch them with your eyes closed, I gave you a gameplay fight where Yoshimitsu after seating on the ground dissapears and appears above opponents head and attacks but you as usually ignored it...

Where did you post it, post it again becuase I don't remeber that.

Originally posted by Sam Z

What you said was "what makes you sure that authors didn't forgot" and i can quote you of that. And it means you compare it to the one you gave long time ago and means you think that there were SUPPOSED to be waves there and this attack was SUPPOSED to be slow and visible and you base your self on this👆 😆

Than quote me don't freaking type some words and put quotations on it.

-Sam-z your not a detective, it takes brains to be one, My Argument was based on the fact that I REFUTED your bs argument about kazuya being able to look faster than ryu can move. so tell you new argument that's what I've been asking you to prove.

Originally posted by Sam Z

😆 How many times you'll gonna change the subject to avoid answering the question? I said you couldn't prove that he can dodge it and you really couldn't instead of doing that you brought some stupid video with "simillar" to Kazuya's attack as a "proof" lol good job.

He can't dodge it based on what Sam-z what is your current argument as to why ryu can't dodge it?

Originally posted by Sam Z

😆 😆 Man you are killing me! You can't prove that Ryu can dodge it so you prefere to concentrate on my language mistake as a proof that I don't know how it works and you do ALL this only to avoid the question. You ask me to prove that he can't dodge but it is you who must prove that he can and the only "proof" from you for now was "video link with "simillar" ability". If you can't do that, just say so and don't wast our both times.

And I've been asking you several times, why don't you think he can dodge it. what is your argument. you originally said ryu can't dodge it with your argument about kazuya can look faster than ryu can move I refuted that argument, so now tell me why he still can't dodge it?

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Originally posted by Sam Z

lol Thank you for proving me right. THE FACT IS you asked me to name Jin's feats, I named them, i gave videos. Now you say I didn't proved he wins in fight with Ryu but fact remains, you NEVER asked me about that. So saying that i din't proved thing you never asked me to prove is dumb.

So when I asked yopu to list feats that doesn't equate to you asking for reasons why jin would win?

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Originally posted by Sam Z

And before this post you never asked me to prove that he can, so yes you pulled that out of your ass. You give an example of what i didn't proved even though you never asked me about it. lol good job.

So I'm asking you NOW since you made a claim with out backing it up.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

😆 You just controdicted yourself. You admit i never said Yoshi can run on water but in your previous post you said that I never proved that he can. Logic? lol So i never said he can run on water or leave images and you ask me to prove that he can...

I never did ask you to prove yoshi can run on water I did however ask you to show me yoshi being faster than ryu or anything close to what he can do.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

I already explained about ice storm, and these few people wouldn't have to follow him because teleporting far away from the range of all fighters except 3 or 4 means running from the fight. If you want I'll PM Lana and ask her if it is OK - teleporting many miles away from the opponents to win the fight. "rolleyes"

I said teleporting out of range if the other fighters projectiles, you have yet to prove that it's many miles away.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

My original argument was focusing all along, when you'll gonna understand this? but i admit i did made a mistake but this mistake was not about my knowledge of games or about debating skills but simply about knowing of foreign language. And it is NOT up to me to prove that he can't. We are not playing RPG here. You support Ryu, he is "your" character in this thread.
Kazuya and others are mine. I use attack of my character and you must prove that "your" character can dodge it, and for now your only "proof" was that video with "similar" attack, so please. Bring it on.

And again sam-z I bring that previous argument up because you refuse to establish a new one, I know you made a mistake so what is your new argument to replace that one.

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Originally posted by Sam Z

I didn't changed the way it works, neither did you changed any proof because you never had any except for that damn video that doesn't proves a sh!t.

So I'll ask you again, what does teleportation have to do with eye's since I didn't refute it?

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Originally posted by Sam Z

It doesn't have to equal a mile or miles unless you assume Ryu will run away...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Dude, you just said it was a Mishima Zaibatsu Lab, not the battle of Honmaru...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

As for Jun's Decapitated Head... tell me something then, what was that thing that Ogre picked up? a lump of shit with hair in it? Righto... 🙄

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

And as for the styles in DW... Dude, I already told you several pages ago what the specific moves where to get the attacks I mentioned, and they are all used in Normal mode... Normal Jin after Tekken 3 using Mishima techniques is canonically contradictory to his story, The proof has all been layed out before you Samo, now either directly refute it with proof that overrides mine, or let it go.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I just posted an argument, whcih you ignored I can repost it if you like?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

And the original reason was refuted, therefore making all the original points moot. you couldn't answer the question "What tk has to do with your eye's". So I'm asking you Now name a [B] REASon why ryu can't dodge it because before you insisted he couldn't dodge it because "Ryu can't move faster than kazuya looks" so what is now since I refuted that argument already?[/B]

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Sam-z ryu being stronger doesn't mean [B]he can do everything ayane can do but better It means he's more skilled, and I never said he can do anything more impressive than that but if you want proof ryu is more skilled I'll give it to you. Hell kasumi rivals ayane and she can't even do feats like that, but she's skilled.[/B]

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

But not as obvious as ryu, hell as soon as you pick up doa you will know he can teleport.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

I never said I could prove it, Plus jin has been the main character in mostly all those games as opposed to ryu who only had a major role in doa 4 ( which wasn't that big).

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Sam-z focusing doesn't have a set time,if you insist it does prove it. because focusing varies in individuals.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

. To be honset on second look no I don't see it, 😕

I thought I did but w/e I guess we all mis things like when you missed ryu's teleportation in the link I gave you. guess were only humans.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Because you disagree with me, that's really immature sam-z especially coming from someone who hasn't even played ninja gaiden through

Originally posted by Sam Z
So?😬 In Honmaru it was fight with Heihachi and Kazuya.

You've changed your argument again, and it still does not alter what I said...

Originally posted by Sam Z
You mean that completly black thing that was three times bigger than Ogre's own head, with solid "hair" that were also bent to the left in ARCADE video. 🙄 Oh, I dunno...

It's because she was dead dumbass... The day jun fought Ogre it was stormy and they where in the damn forest, of course the hairs going to be dirty if the head it's on hit's the damn floor.... Oh and if you don't know what Camera perspective is, then thats your problem not mine when it comes to judging size differences...

Originally posted by Sam Z
Darkstorm, tell me. Have you ever studied any martial arts? I recerntly replayed DW and on purpose paid attention to all his moves. He has like dozen of them there, and all are the same as he uses during story mode - from traditianal karate. All but one. This uppercought you was talking about, do you know how many moves traditianal karate has? This uppercought DOES NOT mean he uses Mishima fighting style, hell even Roger Jr. uses the same attack, so it means he uses Mishima fighting style?

Tell me, have you ever heard oif Cronological Order? or maybe common ****ing sense? This suipposed event takes place bitween tekken 4 and 5, but Jin had already UNLEARNED ALL OF THE MISHIMA RYU FIGHTING STYLE, Why is he now back to using one of the Mishima's trademark techniques? ANY martial artist who unlearns a style, especially for a personal reason like Jin's ould NEVER use it again Ever... Sorry, but your so called Proof on this matter is not cutting it.

Originally posted by Sam Z
So about his style during within, he clearly uses same moves as during story mode and one punch punch that could easilly be just another karate attack. So sorry Darkstorm, he clearly fights in traditianal karate and it doesn't controdict story line but follows it.

Unfortunately for your so called air tight theory, Karate never uses lunging uppercuts, And that particular technique is a Mishima Ryu Hallmark technique... Sorry, your air tight defence just spring a serious leak... Oh wait, it was already as sunk as the titanic...

Originally posted by Sam Z
Oh and you must've missed my post with quotes from story mode.
In devil within it is said "After the tournament Jin searched for a way to rid himself of devil gene"
In Jin's prologue of STORY MODE it is said "Jin plagued by nightmares triggering the devil gene" "I don't how longer I can hold on" "Jin sets out an a journy to end this evil" Wonder what journey they are talking about...

I didn't miss it, but it's irrelevant, since it's the prologue for the tekken's main story game and not Devil Within, or hand't you figured that out yet 🙄

Think very carefully now, Tekken is a FIGHTING GAME... The story you just mentioned directly correlates to the MAIN STORY, Not to Devil Within, not by a long shot. And yet your still here screaming up and down that it's cannon despite 3 direct continuity contradictions and no official evidence supporting your claim.