Marka Ragnos+Shimmra+Hanharr vs NJO Luke Skywalker+Emperor Palpatine+Exar Kun

Shimrra could possibly be at his peak also. Now I said DN luke would win, Exar too possibly, but I dont think anyone from DE Luke or Palpatine would beat Shimrra.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Yes, and Luke is considered one of those supreme duelists, yet he could barely make use of his lightsaber till he decapitated Shimrra. I firmly believe Shimrra could take Palpatine.

Getting his lightsaber kicked out of his hands is not up for debate. He was owned in the duel. People dont "plan" to be disarmed during a fight.
Especially against Mace. The same guy who disarmed Jango and then beheaded him.

That'd be because Luke was exhausted after fighting a massive army without even using the force, and if Shimrra hadn't pulled out Anakin's saber, he'd never have trapped Luke

And according to the novelization, Palpatine dropped his speed and his guard when Mace sensed Anakin arriving, giving Mace the exact opening he needed.

Its DN Luke

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
That's from Dark Empire, you tool. It [b]is EU - it takes place after the movies, it's a comic - it's EU, troll. Oh, and here's another where even the omniscient narrator states him as "Emperor Palpatine":

Are you done making zero sense, troll? [/B]

That makes Shimrra the smarter fighter I believe?

Uh, huh now how does that work? How does Palpatine see through mace? Oh yeah..he cant. Mace can see right through Palpatine though.

Since when? Palpatine is a master of seeing through people and his only shatterpoint was his trust of Anakin.

And once more: stop ignoring Luke had just fought an army, wasn't using the force and was exhausted?

And it's simple logic: Give a man an opening, he takes it

-1.) Bullshit, Palpatine among all people has weakneses. Good example is dueling. Anakin too.

I'm not ignoring he just fought a whole army, Here answer this question. Yoda- fought an army of clones to get to Palpatine then he confronted him. Did he lose becuase he was exhausted? No...

He takes what? Decapitates him, disarms him, jabs the saber through his. Takes his legs out, force pushes him out the window, force crush... the possiblities are endless.

Which is why Palp is described as possibly one of the best swordsmen in saber history?

Because a Clone PATROL when you have help is comparable to levels of a ship of Vong? And when Luke wasn't even using the force to aid him?

And Palpatine gambled. It paid off...and generally, when you have level swords with another guy, it helps to take a punch or a kick, something physical...even a saber swing could be used so Palp allows himself to be disarmed

I saw more than 4 dozen clones firing lasers. ANd I dident see Yoda use the force on them either. Plus the guy was 900 years old and was tired after fighting with dooku for over 3 minutes.

Oh, so your telling me exhuastion is why Luke failed to beat Shimrra?
Is that why Yoda failed to beat Palpatine also!? Because he was a 900 year old grandmaster who mastered Ataru?

No..Sith dont gamble their life.* They are very self-centered people who dont care about anyone else. He would not risk dying just to convert anakin.

I need to go to a freinds hosue, hold up on the arguing for a few hours.

Yoda needs the force to fight period. And once more: Luke wasn't using the force to sustain himself, had just fought an army and the elite all on his own and was dealign with Shimrra well enough until he kill a saber on him....and even then Luke snatched it and slaughtered Shimrra. Shimrra lost or would have lost either way.

And Palpatine is a risk taker...and Sith generally gamble with their lives, they do it with every power play. Sidious has taken massive risks before, from allowing Grievous to mandhandle him, to being caught in fire fights and assassination attempts, to letting Luke take a swing at him with a saber and he risked his life with Maul

Palp would risk dying to convert Anakin...and wipe out then Jedi and gain control of the galaxy

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Uh, huh now how does that work? How does Palpatine see through mace? Oh yeah..he cant. Mace can see right through Palpatine though.

Akbar, there is a difference between fighting 10 clones and one thousand Vong... And where does it say that Yoda was tired after fighting Dooku for 3 minutes? When I run 1 km kinda fast, then I just stop to talk, then I breath very heaviley but I'm hardley tired. I can run in the same speed for 5 km or even more....

By that I meant he could spot weakpoints. If Mace had a suspition that Palps was the dark lord he could almost easily find out, but he hadent a clue who the Dark Lord was.

oh like shatterpoints, but palpatine took the republic to its knees, how could he not see shatterpoints in the republic?

Originally posted by kamikz
Akbar, there is a difference between fighting 10 clones and one thousand Vong... And where does it say that Yoda was tired after fighting Dooku for 3 minutes? When I run 1 km kinda fast, then I just stop to talk, then I breath very heaviley but I'm hardley tired. I can run in the same speed for 5 km or even more....

I assume you watched AOTC. Yoda was winded and exhasted. But that did not affect how he fought. Same with Luke.

Yeah, but sids doesn't need to use his saber, most of his fighting is with the force.

Originally posted by Legion_of_Maul
oh like shatterpoints, but palpatine took the republic to its knees, how could he not see shatterpoints in the republic?

He did sense a plot to destroy the jedi. He sensed something was out of place, but to me its like gambling. You cant always be too sure.

Originally posted by Legion_of_Maul
Yeah, but sids doesn't need to use his saber, most of his fighting is with the force.

Which shows he is not an exceptional duelist. His strong point is the force.

btw he dident fight sids in AOTC.

Considering Sidious is outright stated to be an exceptional and possibly one of the best duelists ever, I think that deals with that assumptions

@AdmiralAkbar: Right i was agreeing with you and arguing against kamikz