Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
He has a chance to kill the warrior in his first 20 hits. There is a good chance he could kill it. As I said before the vong warriors are not as strong as you make them out to be. Slayers I agree are very difficult they are the strongest of the warrior caste and have far better weaponry then regular vong. I dont think there will be any resistance, the armour does not deflect, it absorbs the damage, and then regenerates.Ah, well we see mace punching faster than the eye can see. Mace punched Vastor 6 times in random areas before he could blink. Mace dismantled thousands of droids with his bare fists. Opposed to a lightsaber which can just cut through things easily. Punching requires great physical strength, especially when punching through durasteel. Is mace more powerful than DN luke? nop, dont think so. Was mace tired after fighting a whole army of battle droids? no...the clone wars cartoon shows it clearly.
Sorry, Dident mean to snap at you like that.
It's cool mate.
Well I guess they are worse than I made them out to be, but still, if it requires around 10 strikes to kill one, and there are mabey 1 thousand, then it requires him to strike 10 thousand times, that's pretty much. His arms would be sore as hell.
Nah the clone cartoons makes everybody a force god. If Mace could do that he would not need the 200 jedi on Geonosis, much less, not everyone would die. Thing is that Mace was in better physical shape than Luke, that is pretty clear, and Luke fought through thousands of more (and stronger) foes than Mace. Kyp got tired by a lesser army, is there any proof that Luke's physical strenght is above his or that he regained ALL his strenght (if any) with the force. The force can drain you if overused.
Well I guess there is no way we can convince eachother, there are so many different things to take account to, shall we agree to disagree?
Originally posted by Escape81
Define 'owned'. Does 'owned' imply an easy fight?Once more, the first time Luke and Palpatine fought in DE, Palpatine crushed him. I strongly believe that Leia had something to do with that fight, unless Luke's abilities jumped levels in a year. Touche?
Secondly, Palpatine is on par with both Kun and Luke in terms of the Force.
Did mention the first fight? No...I said second time.
Ok force wise Palpatine is no weak link, but both combatants could take him down in a straight up lightsaber duel. Since Sidious's strong point seems to be the force. I dont see how he could beat a force immune monster like Shimrra.
Originally posted by kamikz
It's cool mate.Well I guess they are worse than I made them out to be, but still, if it requires around 10 strikes to kill one, and there are mabey 1 thousand, then it requires him to strike 10 thousand times, that's pretty much. His arms would be sore as hell.
Nah the clone cartoons makes everybody a force god. If Mace could do that he would not need the 200 jedi on Geonosis, much less, not everyone would die. Thing is that Mace was in better physical shape than Luke, that is pretty clear, and Luke fought through thousands of more (and stronger) foes than Mace. Kyp got tired by a lesser army, is there any proof that Luke's physical strenght is above his or that he regained ALL his strenght (if any) with the force. The force can drain you if overused.
Well I guess there is no way we can convince eachother, there are so many different things to take account to, shall we agree to disagree?
I estimated about 10 strikes it could vary depending on where he hits them.
Ah, well EU books also portray everyone as force gods. Kyp and Luke moving blackholes, cloaking planets, creating force storms. And endless hyperboles. Clone War cartoons are just as canon as the books are. And please..nobody would watch a geonosis battle with Mace windu killing everyone. Anyway.. the area he was in was a closed space not open. He would have nowhere to run. Quantify stronger...Mace punched through! durasteel droids. Luke used a weapon. Luke is only like 10 or so years older than mace windu, and he can enchance his strength far better because he has a better grasp of the force. I dont think....Mace I think killed plenty of droids possibly even more than 1000 on Dantooine and Coruscant. Yeh, lol, but Luke would be far from draining his if he can do things like create a tangible illusion or even cloak a whole planet with the force and any other feats I missed out on.
Meh..I disagree that fighting a bunch of vong warriors tired Luke. I will say that the slayers might have possibly been hard to defeat, and proved challenging, but vong warriors...nah.
Luke dident have to take the approach of killing them with his lightsaber, after all he had EL. The instikill move.
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
I estimated about 10 strikes it could vary depending on where he hits them.Ah, well EU books also portray everyone as force gods. Kyp and Luke moving blackholes, cloaking planets, creating force storms. And endless hyperboles. Clone War cartoons are just as canon as the books are. And please..nobody would watch a geonosis battle with Mace windu killing everyone. Anyway.. the area he was in was a closed space not open. He would have nowhere to run. Quantify stronger...Mace punched through! durasteel droids. Luke used a weapon. Luke is only like 10 or so years older than mace windu, and he can enchance his strength far better because he has a better grasp of the force. I dont think....Mace I think killed plenty of droids possibly even more than 1000 on Dantooine and Coruscant. Yeh, lol, but Luke would be far from draining his if he can do things like create a tangible illusion or even cloak a whole planet with the force and any other feats I missed out on.
Meh..I disagree that fighting a bunch of vong warriors tired Luke. I will say that the slayers might have possibly been hard to defeat, and proved challenging, but vong warriors. ..nah.
Luke dident have to take the approach of killing them with his lightsaber, after all he had EL. The instikill move.
That's the thing, that's how Luke and Kyp are (since they only appear to be so good at that time) while Mace clearly was not that good... And Mace is not that big, there was still a huge place to be in, he could have taken out many at least, but he did not. And as I said, Mace is in much better physical shape than Luke is...
I've watched that cartoon too, and I would not say over 1 thousand, that big ship who knocked into the ground killed many of them as well, we saw Mace killing mabey 50 droids, then it slammed, there was a huge amount of dust coming to him, we see Mace kill some with the force then destroy the machine and jump to that kid... Btw, Mace can't even jump that far, that's far to long, if he could he could have jumped around the battlefield instead of using ships... Mace used a shitload amount of force too....
And the Vong are more formidable opponents than the battle droids, and Luke fought way more.. Then he fought Slayers, and he only used EL on the last one....
Luke might be able to control the force better or infuse it into his own body (possibly), but what says his stamina will be better for this? Mace had better physical shape too....
Even though Luke might not have seemed tired he could have been, his body should have been weakened also for the moment. If I lift my own body weight (like doing pull upps from an edge or something), it is enough with only some for me to loose against an equal opponent in an armwrestling match, because my arms are sore and tired...
Him being tired might be the reason Luke didn't use any force (except pulling the saber) against Shimrra...