Originally posted by zephiel7She says this to the Exile when they talk about how Nihilus destroys worlds.She NEVER says this after she uses her instakill. 🙄
Please, order your points so they are distinguishable.The quote is in KOTOR 2. It is stated in dialogue with Kreia.
@Kent:Read the ROTS novel,it states them being the best on the Council,thats why Mace asked them to accompany him on the way to arrest Palpatine.
Originally posted by zephiel7
Could I have a direct quote of this? "Legion" is very ambiguous. Legion of what anyways? Yoda never faced an instantkill. He has shown an ability to counter Sith lightning, but by the time of PT, remenants of the ancient Sith (including Malachor 5) was ridiculously small or zero. Traya has the distinct advantage of Malachor 5 and the instantkill technique "born of the ancient sith"From all the details of the PT, the only darksiders that Mace ever fought were Dooku, Assaaj, and Sidious. The others were poorly trained dark Jedi (ie., Sora Bulq). Revan and Malak had entire academies based on training only the strongest dark Jedi. They were picked only from the finest force users. Kavar, Vrook, and Zez Kai survived through this and Sion's Sith assassins. These were three masters who were under assault by the darkside almost every day. Nevertheless, Traya easily instantkilled them.
Could either Mace or Yoda defend themselves from "a technique to which there is no defence?"
You jest good man. You jest.
No, I don't jest. Your worship of Traya and underplaying the man down and out described as the strongest Jed ever just annoys me.
And Mace also fought...Uda-Khalid, Kar Vastor and numerous other throats. Proof those other Jedi 'routinely' fought Darksiders? Considering there were always numerous threats of dictators and Darksiders and Mace is one of the top duelists who ever lived, not only that: The PT JEdi were the strongest Jedi and Yoda is outright stated to have mastered pretty much every defensive force technique.
Oh? Legion? It means 'a lot'
So, blah blah blah, 'oh they lost a lot!'...no, they didn't. The Jedi possessed dozens to hundreds of Sith holocrons and artifacts kept carefully under control.
So, yeah, the two strongest Jedi ever, both of whom have faced the darkness many times and come away stronger, one of whom is the strongest Jedi ever? Traya's owned
I just want to say something about this "there is no defence" thing. First, just because she or all the people she knew did not know a defence against it doesn't mean there didn't exist one, one was developed, or that it works on every single person, like someone incredibly attuned with the force....
And Mace also fought...Uda-Khalid, Kar Vastor and numerous other throats. Proof those other Jedi 'routinely' fought Darksiders? Considering there were always numerous threats of dictators and Darksiders and Mace is one of the top duelists who ever lived, not only that: The PT JEdi were the strongest Jedi and Yoda is outright stated to have mastered pretty much every defensive force technique.Oh? Legion? It means 'a lot'
So, blah blah blah, 'oh they lost a lot!'...no, they didn't. The Jedi possessed dozens to hundreds of Sith holocrons and artifacts kept carefully under control.
So, yeah, the two strongest Jedi ever, both of whom have faced the darkness many times and come away stronger, one of whom is the strongest Jedi ever? Traya's owned
1. First of all they could not have mastered every darkside technique possible. The holocrons from Ossus were destroyed by Exar Kun! The Sith knowledge from Malachor 5 was lost when the planet was destroyed! How can they master a defense to techniques that they do not even know about?!
Your assumption that they mastered every possible defensive Jedi technique is false. Traya stated that her technique was born of the ancient Sith "that there was no defence." Hell, she defeated three of the most powerful masters of the Jedi order, simultaneously with that same technique.
2. Legion of what? Defeating a legion of infantry serving some random pathetic dark Jedi is hardly an impressive feat.
3.The fact remains that the PT council was stagnating.
From Mundi's mouth.
"But the Sith have been extinct for over a millenia!"
Doesn't seem they know much about Ancient Sith techniques does it?
They did not fight the continous battles against the darkside as the council from KOTOR did.
4. Your exageration of Windu and Yoda as the strongest Jedi ever is utterly false. DN Luke perhaps? Kyp Durron? Revan? You exaggerate their capabilities, when the circumstances themselves show how much experience they had with the Sith.
Traya wins. Perhaps Sidious by the time of DE, but DEFINATELY not ROTS.
Originally posted by DE Luke
She says this to the Exile when they talk about how Nihilus destroys worlds.She NEVER says this after she uses her instakill. 🙄@Kent:Read the ROTS novel,it states them being the best on the Council,thats why Mace asked them to accompany him on the way to arrest Palpatine.
The instant kill that Traya used is exactly identical to that of Nihilus! They both drain the force from the opponent. Kavar, Vrook, and Zez Kai were described as being devoid of the force. Nihilus uses the exact same technique, draining the force from his victims.
Granted that Nihilus can use his technique on a MUCH larger scale, it does not eliminate the fact they are identical in nature.
You still haven't explained why the masters of PT were so easily gunned down. Three weak masters of a stagnating order is not an impressive addition to your kill count, I assure you.
Originally posted by zephiel7
1. First of all they could not have mastered every darkside technique possible. The holocrons from Ossus were destroyed by Exar Kun! The Sith knowledge from Malachor 5 was lost when the planet was destroyed! How can they master a defense to techniques that they do not even know about?!Your assumption that they mastered every possible defensive Jedi technique is false. Traya stated that her technique was born of the ancient Sith "that there was no defence." Hell, she defeated three of the most powerful masters of the Jedi order, [b]simultaneously
with that same technique.2. Legion of what? Defeating a legion of infantry serving some random pathetic dark Jedi is hardly an impressive feat.
3.The fact remains that the PT council was stagnating.
From Mundi's mouth.
"But the Sith have been extinct for over a millenia!"
Doesn't seem they know much about Ancient Sith techniques does it?
They did not fight the continous battles against the darkside as the council from KOTOR did.4. Your exageration of Windu and Yoda as the strongest Jedi ever is utterly false. DN Luke perhaps? Kyp Durron? Revan? You exaggerate their capabilities, when the circumstances themselves show how much experience they had with the Sith.
Traya wins. Perhaps Sidious by the time of DE, but DEFINATELY not ROTS. [/B]
1. Sorry. Holocron singular. There're a LOT more holocrons.
2. No, actually: Because it says directly Yoda mastered every defensive and no proof her instakill is unblockable
3. Sorry, the PT Jedi were still the strongest. Golden Age.
4. When'd the KOTOR council fight continuous battles? One fight against Revan they were LOSING and Kun where...hm, no real dark jedi fighting....you were saying?
5. Until the PT times, Yoda was the strongest Jedi ever and it's DIRECTLY stated.
6. by ROTS Palp has actually been SUMMONING UP the spirits of the Ancient Sith lords to increase his knowledge and power.
The PT masters weren't weak. Ancient Jedi would be killed in their situation too. No Jedi Order heavily outweighs another. The PT may be the "Golden Age of the Jedi" but that doesn't mean a PT youngling > KOTOR Master. KOTOR was an age of war, but that doesn't mean a KOTOR youngling > PT Master.
Now let's look at Vrook, Kavar, and Zez-zez Kai.
Kavar - Leader of the Jedi Guardians before the Shadow War and even during the Jedi civil war. Guardians are attuned to combat, and their grandmaster would likely be very wise and powerful. Could be called the best duelist in the Order, because he was the best JG and the JGs were the duelists.
Vrook - Defecto leader of the Order in Vandar's and (possibly) Zhar's absence. This should put him fairly high.
Zez-zez Kai... honestly, I don't see him being better than Kolar or Fisto. Tiin... maybe.
Now, she managed to knock around all of them at once with force telekenisis. Could Sidious do this to three Council Members? 2 of which were quite strong.
Originally posted by zephiel7
The instant kill that Traya used is exactly identical to that of Nihilus! They both drain the force from the opponent. Kavar, Vrook, and Zez Kai were described as being devoid of the force. Nihilus uses the exact same technique, [b]draining the force from his victims.Granted that Nihilus can use his technique on a MUCH larger scale, it does not eliminate the fact they are identical in nature.
You still haven't explained why the masters of PT were so easily gunned down. Three weak masters of a stagnating order is not an impressive addition to your kill count, I assure you. [/B]
1.No it isn't,if it was,then she'd be EXACTLY like Nihilus.Hunger would consume here just like it did him.
2.No,he severed force connections to entire civilizations,Kreia just sucked the Force out of three Jedi Masters.
3.And you still haven't explained why you think Kreia's instakill will work on another Sith.And like I said,READ THE ROTS NOVEL!!!It states EXACTLY that they were some of the most powerful Jedi in the Entire Order.And as I remember,the Jedi of Kotor were stagnant aswell,they were waiting for the threat to reveal itself
when they should have found it themselves.
And Razielim,last time I checked,Sidious gave Yoda(who is stated as THE MOST POWERFUL JEDI IN HISTORY OF THE ENTIRE ORDER) a hell of a fight and came up on top.
Originally posted by Count KentYes,they can,Numan.Again you show us your extreme stupidity.Then again I shouldn't hold it against you,you can't debate for shit.Feats and examples CAN'T be used as conclusive proof because THEY DO NOT PROVIDE US WITH AN ANSWER,idiot.🙄
Quotes cannot be used as conclusive proof. Provide feats and examples.
Originally posted by Count KentAnd how about you consider that you're a f*cking ing idiot ,Numan?Oh,that's right,your too stupid to consider anything.And how about you also consider that what you're saying is shit,CONSIDERING that it is.You and everyone else that supports your overbiased opinion in this thread have failed to point out how Traya's instakill WOULD kill Sidious besides rant about the same exact thing,which is full of shit.Atleast me,Lightsnake,Escape81 and kamikze have provided some sort of logic to this thread that has been eclipsed by your extreme stupidity,Numan.Honestly,Numan,no words in this world can describe how stupid and illogical you are.
Consider that quotes continuously contradict one another. Consider how accurate and canonical the quote may be. Consider the context of the quote and interpret the entire meaning. And consider that you're full of shit.