Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
What are you trying to say Leonidas? Magus was in another universe alter gather. If you believe it was a pocket universe or outside Eternity's body (which I don't even know what you are trying to say) then point me to the issue where it refers to Magus being in a pocket universe.
what i'm trying to say is this: the terms dimension, reality, actuality, universe, were all used interchangeably on MULTIPLE occasions in that series and the others like it. for magus to have literally been in a 'different' universe, i presume you mean he was in a universe where our version of eternity did not hold sway. (if that is NOT your stance, please correct me). i have NOT seen any definitive proof to support that claim. mm's scans repeatedly say magus was in a different dimension, he sees our (earth's) 'universe' and can impact it from where he is, but that's no big deal because a lot of cosmics can affect earth's universe from their own dimension. and the term 'outside force' does NOT necessarily imply magus was literally 'outside the body' of 'our' eternity. as i said, it could simply mean a force outside of eternity itself caused his state -- ie -- eternity itself had nothing to do with its state.
No! Eternity's catatonic state was a concern to Galactus who needed the Eye of Agamotto. In Agamotto's dimension literally gave a rats azz about Strange's universe. He dimissed Strange's concerns about Eternity and punished him for using the Eye to assist Galactus. When Galactus arrive they both fought and stalmated till the other Vishanti's arrived and convinced Agamotto to let Galactus and Strange leave and find the Magus.
cool. that's your opinion. i was just trying to gauge the extent of your definition of 616. so what DOES constitute 616 and what makes up eternity? in your opinion?
incidentally, why WOULD aggamotto care about strange's dimension, or galactus's? magus wasn't attacking aggy's universe, so why should he care? his lack of caring does not at all mean that aggy's realm is not one of the myriad dimensions that comprise the body of our eternity. much like asgard is part of our eternity, i see no reason why aggy's realm wouldn't be included.
Maybe you can tell me where it says anything about pocket dimension? Point me to the issues in any of the War issues or cross over issues of War that states Magus was in a pocket universe. [/B]
pocket dimension never WAS mentioned. i used the term for lack of another and never actually CLAIMED he WAS in a pocket dimension. however, there really is no proof he was in a whole new universe -- that is to say operating from a universe that existed somewhere outside the influence of our eternity. (so was he operating within the body of a DIFFERENT eternity?)
anyway, here are a couple scans to help show what i mean:
in the first one, doom says the location of the stronghold is three dimensions away. nothing about being in a seperate universe, nothing about having to leave eternity to find the stronghold.
the next one says he claimed some barren region for his own. nothing again about a seperate universe.
to further add to the confusion regarding terminology, here magus refers to our (earth's) universe as a 'dimension'.
and this last one is a little disappointing. if i didn't know better, i would ALMOST say mm told a bit of a . . . fib. let's say rather he forgot a detail? this is the same scan (complete) that he used to try and convince some that the 'cosmic vortex' made an appearance in the IW. ❌ cosmic vortex? i'm afraid not . . .
cosmic vortex. ❌ dimensional corridor? ✅ so to get to this 'other universe' all you need to do is travel down a dimensional corridor?
anyway, what's the point of all this?
simple (well, maybe not TOTALLY simple . . .): you and mm claim that the IG is multiversal. you claim that is the case because magus was able to control 616 from his own little dimension. i'm saying (and i think gs is aggreeing) that the only way to prove your claim is to prove that magus's stronghold existed OUTSIDE THE INFLUENCE OF OUR ETERNITY. if he was within a completely different eternity and was still able to control 616, you'll have made your case. but i've not seen proof of that. i'm also saying that there is no real way to tell whether or not the 'barren region' he was in was or was NOT within the scope of our eternity's 'body'. and if he WAS within 'our' eternity, his control of 616 is NOT showing multiversal control because we know IG grants the wielder control over the entire body of our eternity.
WHEW!!
a quick example -- if loki was in asgard with the IG and controlled our universe that would NOT show the IG was multiversal. why? because asgard and the earth's universe are within the body of the same eternity. likewise if mephisto had the IG and did the same.
THAT is what i'm trying to say. 😄
a last point that was never really addressed from our last discussion: thanos with the IG eventually EVOLVED. the supreme incarnation of thanos with IG (after he shed all 'vulnerabilites'😉 was . . . the form of eternity! and eternity's power is . . . universal, only. so if the supreme incarnation of thanos was eternity, then how could the IG be multiversal in scope?
