Originally posted by bbrem123
there is much more evidence then just that
Evidence which is useless in light of the fact that What Ifs later came out clarifying that the IG is universal and the fact that the canon crossover Ultraforce/Avengers further cemented this universal notion into continuity:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/nemesise.htm
Those scans he showed were just feats that HE was saying cant be possible from a universal power, but given the fact that the IG is clearly marked out as universal and OF the universe that opinion while youre welcome to it is irrelevant in a debate.
Originally posted by bbrem123
thanos stats that he has control over multiple universes
And if he has the power to have total control over a universe why wouldnt he be able to go into other universes and apply his power there? That doesnt mark the IG out as multiversal. If he could apply his power across all realities of the multiverse at once then you'd have a point.
Originally posted by bbrem123
because that was not his goal, his goal was to win the love of death
Ummm thats like me saying Wolverine has the capacity to have strength on par with the Hulk and he could take over the world with it but he hasnt because thats not one of his goals. 🤨
Thats really poor. Thats speculation about the power level of the IG. You can only go by whats stated about the IGs nature within current continuity (it draws power from 616) and its top feats (none of them multiversal). Anything else is just opinion and really isnt valid here.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ummm thats like me saying Wolverine has the capacity to have strength on par with the Hulk and he could take over the world with it but he hasnt because thats not one of his goals. 🤨
hahahahaha that is nowhere near the same thing....because it has been provin that wolverine does not have tho's capacities...where as the IG arguably does
Originally posted by bbrem123
hahahahaha that is nowhere near the same thing....because it has been provin that wolverine does not have tho's capacities...where as the IG arguably does
Ummm Wolverine has been shown fighting class 100's h2h so its arguable that he has far greater strength than the peak human level attributed to him. 🙁
Originally posted by bbrem123
once again the only reason he holds his own is because of his durability and healing factor
Youre really cant be that slow. That was an example to illustrate a point about speculation of power levels. It was not an excuse to go on a tangent, leaving the point unaddressed. You are speculating about power levels, you are claiming a status way beyond the feats achieved by the IG. That you cannot do and expect to be taken seriously in a debate.
Originally posted by bbrem123
show me where and then we can continue our argument
I have shown you bios stating the IG derives power from the 616 universe and i have shown you and referred to comics and reputable sites which mark out the IG as universal in nature. You have yet to show me where the IG has been used to perform a multiversal feat. 🙂
You have nothing to go on but your opinion of a multiversal IG. Again not good enough.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its marked out that the IG is universal as thats whats actually stated on panel. The writer then divulges into speculation. An attempt to find compataibility between the two different interpretations when there has been no attempt to do so on panel. If you were to ask him on the handbook writers site comicxfan forums and ask him if that is canon what do you think he would say? 😉Be my guest, im already a member and ive had a good discussion with them regarding Phoenixes role in Marvel. Just wait for Warsong to come out. 😱
Anyway, the only difference is that in the Thanos Quest origin, the being created the Universe. The two are very easily compatible, I would just say that the death of the Infinity Gem entity just unleashed a wave of energy that may have altered reality somewhat, creating the Universe as we know it. That explanation fits in with all of the above. However, the origins of this being (I'll call it Nemesis, rather than "God"😉, are uncertain. Perhaps it was a sibling of Eternity, or perhaps it just grew to power from humble origins. Nobody knows!
basically all u showed me was that he is arguably TOAA
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I have shown you bios stating the IG derives power from the 616 universe and i have shown you and referred to comics and reputable sites which mark out the IG as universal in nature. You have yet to show me where the IG has been used to perform a multiversal feat. 🙂You have nothing to go on but your opinion of a multiversal IG. Again not good enough.
no u havnt?
so . . . you CAN'T name something specific? and dude, i've BEEN in almost this whole thread . . .
meh, like i said, your perogative to believe whomever you choose. i was just legimately curious as to why you believe it. must be because you still think the i-being was responsible for creation of the multiverse and may be toaa. despite the fact that toaa was shown in the ff AND depsite the fact that the nemesis/i-being was defeated by a group of avengers and ultras. 😬
Originally posted by bbrem123
Anyway, the only difference is that in the Thanos Quest origin, the being created the Universe. The two are very easily compatible, I would just say that the death of the Infinity Gem entity just unleashed a wave of energy that may have altered reality somewhat, creating the Universe as we know it. That explanation fits in with all of the above. However, the origins of this being (I'll call it Nemesis, rather than "God"😉, are uncertain. Perhaps it was a sibling of Eternity, or perhaps it just grew to power from humble origins. Nobody knows!basically all u showed me was that he is arguably TOAA
Umm TOAA was LTs master and it was by TOAA's will that LT stood up against the IG in Infinity Watch. Guess that opinion goes down the drain huh? 🙁
As previously stated the handbook writer highlighted first and foremost that there are different interpretations of the IG (as i said to much disbelief all along) he then highlights the only real difference between the two interpretations as being the current interpretation the I Being had no part in the creation of a universe. If thats the only difference then does that or does that not mark out the IG as universal in both interpretations? Please take note of what else was said elsewhere on that page. UNIVERSAL!!! 😂
Tried to play clever there. It flopped 👇
Originally posted by leonidas
so . . . you CAN'T name something specific? and dude, i've BEEN in almost this whole thread . . .meh, like i said, your perogative to believe whomever you choose. i was just legimately curious as to why you believe it. must be because you still think the i-being was responsible for creation of the multiverse and may be toaa. despite the fact that toaa was shown in the ff AND depsite the fact that the nemesis/i-being was defeated by a group of avengers and ultras. 😬
im not goin to waste my time lookin when u could...if u want to debt then go search and find what ur debating against