Lucifer hits the Gauntlet !!!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The fact remains that he saw becoming Eternity as his ultimate goal despite having the IG. Dont dismiss Eternity my friend please remember that it was only an MBody that Thanos defeated,

You are a Stubborn Dumbass ✅

Becoming Eternity was NOT his ultmate goal. His ultamate goal was to win over Mistress Death. The IG is beyond Eternity, as he was defeated by it TWICE (once by Thanos, once by Nebula)

Not to mention that if Eternity was above IG, he would have not needed Living Tribunal to interfere, when he called him repeated times.

SECONDLY, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, Thanos purposely switched with Eternity to allow Nebula to steal the gauntlet from him. Adam Warlock made it very clear that Thanos did not feel himself worthy of having the Gauntlet. Becoming Eternity was an indulgence and an EXCUSE to letting the Gauntlet slip his grasp.

How stubborn and blind a debator can you be? Stop arguing already man, you're making a fool outta urself. 👇

Watch this. Eternity = Universal being
He has never shown the ability to affect other universes..

His only feat outside of himself... is letting Warlock and Gamora take Atleza outside himself... into the bigger multiverse. So that Atleza could eventually act as the anchor for our universe to prevent it spiraling into the cosmic vortex. Does that mean he exerted power in the multiverse? No. He said get out of my house.

Eternity was pimpslapped twice by people with the IG. Once by Thanos with HOTU. BTW here's the deal. M-body. People can humilate death, they can defy her. But few have had the chance/opportunity/power to kill her. Beyonder did it. Thanos didn't. Even with the godly might he had. Why? Is it cause she was more powerful than HE. Or maybe its cause he professed that he would slay the whole universe for her. Maybe thats why she was the only one left alive. His love. Notice that in most stories Starlin writes of the Nihilist in Thanos and his deep love for death and the being that represents it. He was also put into a coma by Magus with 5 cosmic cubes.

I don't understand how GS can still maintain his views on the subject matter given the amount of times he's been shown to be just plain wrong.

Unless of course we are talking about Multi-Eternity... He's a multiversal being. 🙂

Originally posted by rotiart

Eternity was pimpslapped twice by people with the IG. Once by Thanos with HOTU.

and Lucifer beats everyone but GEB.

Thanos absorbed the entire universe. There were no stars in the sky....

It never happened in Marvel Continuity.

Originally posted by Mr Master
How low can you go?

You have nothing left, so you have to succumb to insults. 😂

Sounding smart and being smart...are not the same thing.

But do you...whatever.

Who was it that set the tone for the proceedings by condescendingly and hypocritically remarking on how I’ve finally learned not to write essays? SHHHHHH!!!

Originally posted by Mr Master
Still using bios to deabte I see.

A completely valid source to use, especially when in line with on panel depictions. In such cases they just serve to make ones case a whole lot stronger. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Like I said before, your selective in ALL your debates.

You pumped a scan of Reed Richards saying PF was the big bang MANY times...IN this same thread, 😆 .

Silly boy. You’re really not on my level. Please read and comprehend my posts before proceeding to waffle about them. I believe in my previous post I said:

When the word of a non omniscient becomes canon fact then we’ll talk. Until then, Reeds word is merely his opinion, an opinion which has not been shown to be the case through demonstration or reputable authority anywhere on panel. The Ultimate Nullifier in all other cases where it has been actually used or referred to by Galactus, has always been in terms of the universal. There’s no precedence for a multiversal Nullifier therefore Reeds word is insufficient.

The difference between my using of a character claim and yours is that the point being made by said character has precedence in a multitude of previous titles. The Phoenix is depicted as the power behind the Big Bang in the natural scheme of things and it is depicted as the life force of reality. Please find me a reference from a cosmic authority or Galactus pertaining to the greater than universal nature of the Ultimate Nullifier. Good luck son!! 😱

Originally posted by Mr Master
This was your ONLY evidence of ANYONE EVER saying PF was the big bang. .

Nope. Not the case at all. I’ve posted multiple scans from multiple titles and multiple sources of Phoenix being stated to be the power that births the cosmos, the power behind the Big Bang, therefore if the energies derive from Phoenix then of course Phoenix is the Big Bang. It is of the Phoenix. Not only that but simultaneously I’ve posted scans of Phoenix being stated to be the sum and substance of all life, the life force of reality, the mother of the stars and the planets and the power that sustains creation, scans saying that without its involvement in creation a universe would be left a void, which is totally in line with it being the Big Bang, the event which brings about matter and energy within a void.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Now that same Reed Richards, is just babbling "opinions"
LOOK...this is YOU.

Your a JOKE!

Dealt with previously. I hope you understand the difference between my use of character claims and yours. Mine are used to bolster evidence, they are NOT the sole piece of evidence I have. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is comedy.

Galactus NEVER said he could...but "PERHAPS"

Galactus along with Morg the ship and the rest were Obliterated...he didn't contain jack.

Why delve into irrelevance by nitpicking at terms? The Nullifier went off and Galactus contained its power. Simple as. What do you mean Galactus and the ship were obliterated? The comic came out in “95” have we seen Galactus around since “95”? SHHHHH!!! If you knew anything about the matters you arrogantly like to post your opinion on then you’d know that Galactus contained the blast within his worldship and escaped his own destruction by teleporting away:

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Hence why the explosion didn’t do sh*t but knock out Silver Surfer and why Big G is still up and running today. Again for the good of the forums, SHHHHHHH!!!

Know your stuff son. Until that happens, sit back and listen. 😎

Originally posted by Mr Master
Way to go on the LIES.

NOWHERE in that issue does it say, "it was the full, unfettered power of the Nullifier"

The UN normally has safeguards to regulate its power. Morgs abuse of the device broke those safeguards as stated therefore the UN overloaded. All the power it had its disposal was unleashed and nicely for my case Galactus contained it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
UN has been used to nullify just ONE being...it's upto the wielder(if he can)to choose to nullify ONE individual or the Universe or the Multi-verse.

Irrelevant point considering the UN overloaded and its safeguards broke. It wasn’t being directed at a single individual, it just broke and all its power was unleashed and subsequently contained by Galactus. As for your second point pertaining to it being able to nullify a multiverse, can she show me Galactus or any cosmic authority stating it can do that along with conclusive on panel of it doing anything beyond the universal? Again good luck! 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
"No demonstrations" ?

Yup ✅

Originally posted by Mr Master
Finally what does this lead to?
Reed, "In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was.
What was MISALIGNED? The MULTI-VERSE!

How was this done?

Reed uses the UN to banish Abraxas by Destroying and Remaking the Multi-verse.

UN destroys the Multiverse

Un remakes the Multiverse in an instant

Please show me a quote or statement anywhere in any comic stating that the Nullifier nullified the entire multiverse. That point is never stated nor is it conclusively depicted. It has never done so in the past therefore there is no precedence for it having that kind of power. Eternity is many a time stated to be all that is therefore Reeds comments dont help you out in the slightest. Eternitys a timeline, all the problems all the people who went across to other realities and caused problems all stemmed from 616. Reset 616 to a point and all the problems caused in other realities never happened. Eternity is depicted being reset, you have no evidence to make your opinion anything but that. Dont treat it as fact around here. 😮

Originally posted by Mr Master
I was wondering when you was going to start...blahblah

So you have no counter therefore as per usual you dont address the point you merely mock and dismiss it. What a juvenile you are. ❌

Originally posted by Mr Master
Fool yourself all you want...

Your not even worth replying to anymore.

Because of your snide remarks and your vain attempt at insulting me with your open statement, plus the constant reek of shit in your your posts.

You set the tone for the proceedings so dont cry to me when it gets too hot to handle. Not once have you proved a thing. My points are stated and depicted, as well as the majority of them being referred to in the bios. You post scans along with your opinion of whats going on in them. Not good enough. Give it up mate, youre really getting above your station. 😱

Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree with your Speculation.

And until you have on panel proof...it's impossible.

Wrong.

That would be LOW Level Multiversal power.

NO Universal power can AFFECT anything outside one universe simultaneously.

Why not? It stands to reason that a major cosmic power who can arguably dominate an entire reality can alternatively affect multiple realities on a smaller scale simultaneously. Abraxas was (debatably 😖hifty: ) only killing alternate Reed Richards' across multiple dimensions, that doesnt mark him out as a multiversal power. Dont be absurd youngster 😂

Even elder Gods such as Cytorrak and Cthon can have power bases in alternate dimensions and yet still apply their power to 616. Merely applying your power in an alternate reality to your own doesnt mark you out as a multiversal power.

My oh my. What an irrelevant post. 😮

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ok.

So don't waste MY time by posting it as evidence...for the Crystal's power.

I got those scans from YOU homie...Yes...from this same thread. 😂

And though some "bio writer" changed the Crystal from a Universal destroyer to something greater...

The bottom line is:
When Phoenix Repaired it ON PANEL...it was a UNIVERSAL threat.

Do you not know what a retcon is sonny? 😕 When one occurs it means readers have to treat the new interpretation it ushers in as if its always been the case. Therefore when Phoenix repaired the M'kraan crystal back in the 80's, it was the nexus of all realities in Marvel.

You really are getting desperate arent you? 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
"crystals energies"?

Continue to make stuff up all you want.

It's the Neutron Galaxy within the Crystal that SLOWLY absorbs A Universe, which could POTENTIALLY cause a CHAIN REACTION that would collapse other realities possibly the Multiverse itself..

NO "single sweeping wave"

That's a LIE too.

It's a CHAIN REACTION.

Not true.

While there may be only one Crystal,

it does NOT "sweep across all realities, collapsing the entire multiverse"

Like a Domino Effect, the CHAIN REACTION caused by ONE Universe collapsing, would lead to another and another and so on.

The neutron galaxy is a part of the crystal silly! 🙄

By your logic thats like saying its not me thats having problems its just my heart. 🙄 😂

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One crystal. One sweeping "draft" that collapses realities.

There is one crystal in the multiverse. When the crystal is breached in one reality, unless Phoenix is there to stop it then its power will consume said reality in a wave of power. This wave of power will gradually spread across the multiverse consuming all realities. Not multiple waves, from multiple alternate reality crystals. Just one. Multiversal? ✅

Who can bind its power? 😕

PHOENIX!!! 😱

Originally posted by Mr Master
Show me anywhere in any of the issues involving Abraxas does it say he went from Universe to universe to kill Galactuses?

You make shit up and then have the audacity to tell bigbran,

"With that in mind your point is invalid"

Your point, is INVALID and NON-EXISTENT.

Errrrr....not only does it state in this beautiful scan that Abraxas went roaming around the multiverse killing each Galactus he came across:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7719433191.jpg&s=x11

But in the actual comic the writer quite handily sums up the threat level of Abraxas (blue box bottom right hand corner last page 🙂 ) where he states him to be a threat of Galactus level proportions. 😂

For anyone who wants to obtain said issue where this is stated, it is Fantastic Four V3 #46. Happy reading. GAME OVER!! 😱 😆

Originally posted by Mr Master
More LIES.

She caused a wound to an "ORPAHN UNIVERSE" NOT 616.
It NEVER mentions 616.

Ohhhhh the desperation. 😂 We've already dealt with this issue many a time and yet each time i post a reply you continuously ignore it and fail to address it, before going on to post this garbage again. 🙄

The "Here Comes Tomorrow" timeline was set 150 years in the future of 616:

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Continuous EXAGGERATION!

That's your personal input: "in its entirety" 😆

Phoenix Force REPAIRED the DAMAGE to an ORPHAN UNIVERSE...no more.

By amputating the future timeline not only did she fatally wound 616, but she unwittingly separated it from its "parent" realities in the megasystems hence the reference to it being an "orphan universe"

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She manipulated the universe in some fashion in the palm of her hand at an atomic level as depicted on panel and as referenced by the Consciousness' reference to the telekinetic control of all of those atoms.

Jean then went about finishing the job by reaching into 616 and changing Scotts reactions to Emma therefore resulting in a new timeline to replace the one she had casually just cut away. 😄

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Conclusively 616. I'll hear no more on the matter. SHHHHHHH!!

[QUOTE=7025063]Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]NOT according to Phoenix herself...guess you know more than she does.
QUOTE]

You really are rather dim arent you sonny? 🙁

That was the Phoenix Consciousness talking. The comic has gone to great lengths to make it easy to distinguish for any fool ( 😖hifty: ) the characters talking by not only colouring in the speech bubbles differently but by having Jeans speech bubble coming from her head. The black coloured bubbles are the Phoenix Consciousness and it is guiding and advising Jean on how to handle the situation. It tells her that controlling all of those atoms isnt as easy as it looks in training. Jean then demonstrates how well shes been trained by manipulating the universe in seconds. You obviously havent read the material youre debating over and yet you continue to force on us your opinion on the matter whilst dismissing the opinions of those who have actually bothered to read it. Arrogant as hell. 👇

Originally posted by celestialdemon
So arguing the point that someone only defeated an M-Body is irrelevant because that's the only way an M-Body can fight.

Not necessarily, as M Bodies can be allocated different amounts of power, according to how much power the abstract thinks will be required to fulfill a task.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You are a Stubborn Dumbass ✅

Becoming Eternity was [b]NOT his ultmate goal. His ultamate goal was to win over Mistress Death. The IG is beyond Eternity, as he was defeated by it TWICE (once by Thanos, once by Nebula)

Not to mention that if Eternity was above IG, he would have not needed Living Tribunal to interfere, when he called him repeated times. [/B]

I never said that Eternity was beyond the IG. I made a point about the IG saying that despite Thanos possessing the IG, he still saw it as an achievement, a progression for him to supplant Eternitys role in the natural order. On top of that i made the point that Eternity despite having faced and been defeated by the IG twice, still believed that in his totality he would be greater than the IG. That viewpoint is in line with

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Thanos reaction to becoming an Eternity like entity. That doesnt bode well for your dreams of a multiversal IG. 😄

[QUOTE=7026584]Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[B] SECONDLY, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, Thanos purposely switched with Eternity to allow Nebula to steal the gauntlet from him. Adam Warlock made it very clear that Thanos did not feel himself worthy of having the Gauntlet. Becoming Eternity was an indulgence and an EXCUSE to letting the Gauntlet slip his grasp.

Which is irrelevant as thats not the point we're debating here. That point doesnt affect the points i brought to your attention in the slightest. 🙂

Regardless of Thanos' reasons for supplanting Eternity, his reaction to doing so and Eternitys comments regarding his totality (i.e the actual universe as opposed to his M Body) still stand.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
How stubborn and blind a debator can you be? Stop arguing already man, you're making a fool outta urself. 👇

A delusional opinion which has yet to translate into reality. 🙂

Thats enough for now. 🙂

Much luv 😱

- GS 😎

Originally posted by rotiart

I don't understand how GS can still maintain his views on the subject matter given the amount of times he's been shown to be just plain wrong.

By whom? 😕

Certainly not by the likes of you youngsters. Its good to have ambition, but lets not talk crazy now!! 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not necessarily, as M Bodies can be allocated different amounts of power, according to how much power the abstract thinks will be required to fulfill a task.

2 problems with this:

1. Where does it ever state that abstracts allocate different amounts of power to their M Bodies? Not an accusation. This is an honest question.

2. If Eternity's very being was being threatened, it would make sense that he would put in as much power as possible to defeat said threat. To do anything less is just plain idiocy.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

One crystal. One sweeping "draft" that collapses realities.

There is one crystal in the multiverse. When the crystal is breached in one reality, unless Phoenix is there to stop it then its power will consume said reality in a wave of power. This wave of power will gradually spread across the multiverse consuming all realities. Not multiple waves, from multiple alternate reality crystals. Just one. Multiversal?

Stop kidding yourself my poor little boy. Phoenix repairing the crystal with assistance does not mean she stopped the wave on a whim. It REPAIRED THE CRYSTAL. Not snap it's fingers and whim it's powers to stop.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Who can bind its power?

PHOENIX!!!

😆 And? With assistance. By the way who stopped the Phoenix from repairing the M'Krann? Oh that's right, LEGION killing Xavier.

And please dear boy, Jahf says, "when the ACTUAL REALITY FAILED, it was only a matter of time before IT AFFECTED OTHER REALITY." "One collapsing after the next, after the next."

Jahf even shows it. That line representing 616 is failing and look it's affecting the other line/realities.

Jean removes sublime from Beast and amputed the future.

Galacticstorm

By amputating the future timeline not only did she fatally wound 616, but she unwittingly separated it from its "parent" realities in the megasystems hence the reference to it being an "orphan universe"

True. Impressive feat but Warlock and Thanos also killed off Magus' timeline without the side effect. All Warlock had back then was a soul gem.

She manipulated the universe in some fashion in the palm of her hand at an atomic level as depicted on panel and as referenced by the Consciousness' reference to the telekinetic control of all of those atoms.

BIGGEST LOAD OF B.S. EVER!!!

You twist the fact and even add your own versions of events that don't happen. Let's clarify this for everyone.

Jean is being told what to do. She doesn't even know what's going on. And listen to her own words: "Did I HAVE TO FIX something that was dying?" "WHAT IS IT?" Again, she doesn't fashion anything in this page.

Where G.S. get this idea about her fixing anything in this panel I don't even know. All we see is this light forming in her hand and it's not even decissive that she did it. If she did, she wouldn't ask what needs to be fixed.

What's the response to Jean's question? "A badly wounded ophan universe. Phoenix work." In this panel, she still hasn't done anything to it. She's infact being INFORMED about WHAT NEEDS to be FIXED (a wounded universe), then BEING TOLD: PHOENIX WORK. So does she fix it now? Does Phoenix work?

Let us all see.