Lucifer hits the Gauntlet !!!

Nope. Phoenix/Jean ASK: "But...but WHAT'S THAT SUPPOSE TO MEAN?"
Does this sound like she's fixed or worked it yet? Again she still hasn't done anything at all.

And what do we hear in response to Jean's query about "Phoenix work"? It means "That Henry's heart is broken that SCOTT SUCCUMBS TO LONELINESS and doubt that all is lost unless..." UNLESS WHAT?

Unless?
Some emo in response says, "if you want to grow a new future"..."you have to water it with YOUR HEART'S BLOOD." So now what does this mean?

So does she fix it now and how you might ask?

Revelation! Here's a thought. If Scott wasn't "lonely" after Jean's death at the hands of Magneto/Xorn and continued on "living," Beast wouldn't be "heart broken that Scott succumbed to loneliness." Henry wouldn't have carried on Xavier's school and dreams alone. Which means...he wouldn't have taken "Kick" (Sublime: a sentient bacteria colony) that took over his mind and body...and led to the events of war and ruins of the current future. But enough with my ideas.

Jean's solution is? "Live Scott LIVE!"

We see a Phoenix rising? Damn it. Now what does this mean?

And now back in the past. Jean is dead. Emma wants to reopen the school, but it's up to Scotty who seems hesitant. "And Scott...image what we could do for one another," says Emma, "Do you want to inherit the Earth." Scott's in a pickle isn't he? Move on and "live" or "succumb to loneliness?"

Scott: "I..."
Scott? What's it going to be?

Next Page
"...YES." Ah! He says yes. And look at the bold title: "RESCUE...AND EMERGENCY." Jean finally "Phoenix Work"ed it.

Well that fixed the universe wouldn't you guys say? Give me a timemachine and a Xavier's powers and I can "FIX" the 616 universe as well.

But on a more serious note, Jean did "grow a new future" with "her hearts blood" by convincing Scott (in the past) to "live" on, even if it means with Emma.

I.e. new futures grow themselves by diverging at a critical event c.f. Days of Future Past, and Age of Apocalypse. Already said this a while ago.

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Round and round it goes. Where it stops. Nobody knows. Or cares.

Some pages back in New X-Men 154

Jean's link with the Phoenix was temporarily cut. And Logan informs her of the past 150 years since her death. About Scott, Beast, Sublime, and the current dread future.

New X-Men 150 X-Men confront Magneto and Jean is killed.

Wolverine cuts off Magneto's head for that. And the three Stepford Cuckoos says, "something is wrong with the universe now." Sounds about right. She dies. Scott gives up. Eventually, Beast goes nuts after taking kick. Magneto also took kick didn't he and went nuts? Hmm, those smart bacterias are pretty ingenius if you asked me.

She tell's him to live. Which he doesn't. Which all jumps the events leading to "Here Comes Tomorrow" from New X-Men 151-154.

Also pointed out this mindboggling redundancy of having to die, hibernate for 150 years, kill the future, and then change a past that never would have happened had she not died in the first place.

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I.e. new futures grow themselves by diverging at a critical event c.f. Days of Future Past, and Age of Apocalypse. Already said this a while ago.

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Round and round it goes. Where it stops. Nobody knows. Or cares.

To be fair, if hypothetically speaking the Phoenix could create and manipulate every aspect of the new future for the 616 universe...then why create one where mutants suffer and are on the verge of extinction, if she had such an attachment to her friends and family? 😕

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
To be fair, if hypothetically speaking the Phoenix could create and manipulate every aspect of the new future for the 616 universe...then why create one where mutants suffer and are on the verge of extinction, if she had such an attachment to her friends and family? 😕

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
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Thanks for clarifying WWK!

Originally posted by RUNMAN
Thanks for clarifying WWK!

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Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Stop kidding yourself my poor little boy. Phoenix repairing the crystal with assistance does not mean she stopped the wave on a whim. It REPAIRED THE CRYSTAL. Not snap it's fingers and whim it's powers to stop.

Who said she repaired the crystal on a whim? 😕

Not me son. Another delusion. ✅

Phoenix repaired the crystal using the souls of the X-men to anchor herself to the physical plane. The X-men merely gave her the oppurtunity to go about repairing the crystal. Given that the X-men didnt actually take part in the repairing process, given that they didnt bolster her power in any fashion your point is as ever redundant. 🙂

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
😆 And? With assistance. By the way who stopped the Phoenix from repairing the M'Krann? Oh that's right, LEGION killing Xavier.

Youre talking as if Legion directly beat down Phoenix to prevent her from repairing the crystal. As ever another flop attempt at humour and another irrelevant comment to the thread. 👇

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
And please dear boy, Jahf says, "when the ACTUAL REALITY FAILED, it was only a matter of time before IT AFFECTED OTHER REALITY." "One collapsing after the next, after the next."

Jahf even shows it. That line representing 616 is failing and look it's affecting the other line/realities.

Perfect example of what happens when you read a scan out of context without taking into consideration that which has come before. On the previous page Jahf marks out that which is causing the collapse of realities. It is the "draft" caused by the crystal being tampered with in 616. He says that if the "door" was left open in any one reality then this draft would eventually reach the others affecting them.

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On the next page which you naively focused all of your attention on, Gambit says wouldn’t someone have noticed this draft Jahf goes on to elaborate by saying that Bishop did and gives Phoenixes non appearance in this alternate reality as the reason why the crystal has basically gone into meltdown.

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He then says that when the actual reality fell it was only a matter of time before the others were affected. What did Jahf mark out as the thing that sweeps across the multiverse affecting these realities? Did he or did he not say that if the “door” was left open in 616 then the draft would eventually reach other realities ? Therefore if Jahf says that when the actual reality fell it was only a matter of time before the others were affected given that the topic of the conversation was this draft and given that its marked out as the thing that’s affecting these realities previously would you not be completely unjustified in claiming that another unmentioned factor is responsible for the collapse of these realities? A little common sense does wonders in debates. Kids these days. 🙄

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Jean removes sublime from Beast and amputed the future.

True. Impressive feat but Warlock and Thanos also killed off Magus' timeline without the side effect. All Warlock had back then was a soul gem.

Theres a slight difference between altering past events resulting in the emergence of a new timeline in place of an old one and actually cutting away a continuums future 🙄

The former can and has been done by any old time traveller, the latter only by a major cosmic power 🙂

With regards to the growing of a new future to replace the one she cut away, you’re correct in saying she did this through altering the past, (i.e Scotts reactions) however what you’re incorrect in saying is that was all she did.

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Here Jean talks of having cut away 616’s future. The Consciousness tells her that her actions dealt a fatal blow to the universe and that it is dying. Jean asks if things are really going to take a turn for the worse, if this “Here Comes Tomorrow” future is what is fated for her friends, she says that her friends deserve better. She thinks it’s all over for them, before the Consciousness tells her there’s hope, she can grow a better future.

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On the next page the Consciousness elaborates and tells her what this task involves. He tells her that telekinetic control of that number of atoms isn’t easy even for a White Phoenix. As the panels progress we see a glowing disc-like structure come together in her hand. The Consciousness tells her that it is the orphan universe. While we don’t know what Jean did specifically, what we do know conclusively is that her task involved manipulation of the universe at an atomic level, hence the Phoenix Consciousness’ comments and the depiction of a structure coming together in her hand. Your interpretation renders the comments and depiction completely redundant, they are not taken into consideration. Im saying whilst we don’t know what she did exactly there was a manipulation of some fashion on the aforementioned scale. Other than that youre quite correct in your summarization regarding how she finished the job.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I.e. new futures grow themselves by diverging at a critical event c.f. Days of Future Past, and Age of Apocalypse. Already said this a while ago.

If a new future would have just grown itself then there would have been no reason for Jean to have got involved and no sense of urgency from the Consciousness. The situation here is entirely different to the one youre referring to. Here Jean has cut away a continuums future. She has separated it from the megasystems as stated. The occurence youre referring to happens under completely different conditions and therefore youre both wrong and unjustified in equating the two.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If a new future would have just grown itself then there would have been no reason for Jean to have got involved and no sense of urgency from the Consciousness. The situation here is entirely different to the one youre referring to. Here Jean has cut away a continuums future. She has separated it from the megasystems as stated. The occurence youre referring to happens under completely different conditions and therefore youre both wrong and unjustified in equating the two.

Occam's razor.

Where exactly does it state it was "separated from the megasystems." Or are you simply extrapolating a single word "orphan". The sentence "It lost its parents when unity broke out across the megasystems." Is just gibberish.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I didn't say new futures just grow themselves. I said new futures grow themselves with the qualifier "by diverging at a critical event". She changed the critical event, she made Scott "live", Scott closing the school precipitated Here Comes Tomorrow c.f. Age of Apocalyse, Xavier is killed in Haifa, Israel; c.f. Days of Future Past, Senator Kelly is killed by Mystique's Brotherhood.

Occam's razor.

Where exactly does it state it was "separated from the megasystems." Or are you simply extrapolating a single word "orphaned".

I know what you said. My issue was with you equating two occurrences from tqo completely different conditions. Thats a very naive thing to do. ❌

It says that it lost its parents, that unity broke across the megasystems. Look back at the scans and read. ✅

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Where exactly does it state it was "separated from the megasystems." Or are you simply extrapolating a single word "orphan". The sentence "It lost its parents when unity broke out across the megasystems." Is just gibberish.

Ooooh i like the sneaky edit. I guess you looked back and saw your blunder before dismissing the on panel statement in order to save face. 😮

Sorry mate. Unity broke out. It lost its parents. Its an orphan universe. It became separated from the megasystems. 😄

I've read it before. I forgot the sentence, I haven't studied it religiously. That doesn't change that the sentence makes no sense. "It lost its parents when unity broke out across the megasystems." Oh do spin that into meaning the universe was separated from the multiverse when it's just gibberish that sounds nice but means basically nothing. Pretty please.

She amputated the future from the point of her disinfection onwards. That was where the timeline ended. There is nothing to indicate that everything beforehand wasn't still very much there for her to affect. As it stands all she did was manipulate a past event, the resultant effect being a divergence of the timeline with the new timeline that grew out of Scott's changed decision supplanting Here Comes Tomorrow as the continuity.

Does it take total telekinetic control to do that? Maybe for her. But for most not so much. Does she actually indicate total telekinetic control in any way? Not really. Occam's razor prevails.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I've read it before. I forgot the sentence, I haven't studied it religiously. That doesn't change that the sentence makes no sense. "It lost its parents when unity broke out across the megasystems." Oh do spin that into meaning the universe was separated from the multiverse when it's just gibberish that sounds nice but means basically nothing. Pretty please.

She amputated the future from the point of her disinfection onwards. That was where the timeline ended. There is nothing to indicate that everything beforehand wasn't still very much there for her to affect. As it stands all she did was manipulate a past event, the resultant effect being a divergence of the timeline with the new timeline that grew out of Scott's changed decision supplanting Here Comes Tomorrow as the continuity.

Does it take total telekinetic control to do that? Maybe for her. But for most not so much. Does she actually indicate total telekinetic control in any way? Not really. Occam's razor prevails.

Nice attempt at a rebuttal but the fact remains that the conditions are completely different. Be a man and accept that. ✅

Unity broke out across the megasystems. The universe lost its parents. Hence it being termed an orphan universe. That tells us that the universe became separated from the megasystems in some fashion. Dismissing the sentence because it is not structured in "the queens english" is a sorry attempt at a counter and as ever is really a rather redundant route to take.

With that in mind that could explain why Jeans task of growing a new future involved telekinetic manipulation of the universe at a sub atomic level. Regardless the point stands that she did perform manipulation to this scale while going about her task. The situation is completely different to ones where others have caused a new timeline to emerge and you are still naive in trying to equate the two

Come again 😂

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Now it's subatomic. Extrapolations, extrapolations. Haughty as usual. I don't see why civility is a foreign concept to you. For one thing it's not a rebuttal it's an alternative viewpoint - your inability to accept alternative viewpoints is beyond me. The appearance of some great and meaningful level of satisfaction from these threads is also rather strange.

The situation is different, but the action is the same (changing an event) through a different means, the outcome is the same. Scott's decision/Here Comes Tomorrow is analogous to the other two events/timelines.

This thread is ridiculously long about characters few people care about. The only reason it persists is because of arrogance and stubbornness on both sides.