Lucifer hits the Gauntlet !!!

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Now here's my question to you. Who created the Phoenix Force?

All in all, PF exist because of TOAA.

Originally posted by Cubicks
Thanos did not "destroy" them he "absorbed" them, subtle difference. And yes, it can go both ways. And there is no advantage either way, the absence of on panel proof of either event is the deciding factor here. You are not basing this on any facts, only absence of facts, this is a not so subtle difference.

Absorbed them, he destroy them in the end, they were gone, he didn't absorb PF. That is fact.

Sorry but everything you wrote above this was....let's just say no comment.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
what event do you believe initiates a universes life cycle?

A Big Bang.

The kinds that Galactus manipulates:

The kinds that Reed Richards can harness:

To tell ya the truth though...I kinda rather have this kinda Big Bang substitute:



Not only does it recycle all that is but it does it in, NOT billions of years, but an INSTANT...And...everything is REMADE, the way one wishes it to be.

Oh, did I mention...it's a Multi-versal Big Bang blowup one can REMAKE in one's image.

Originally posted by Xplosive

I think Pre-retcon Beyonder could.
But others such as Eternity, Infinity,... nope.

The Beyonder marked out the crystal as the one thing that could end his physical existence and return him to his energy state. He set a plan in motion that would have Rachel Grey unleash its power and destroy reality and return him to this state he loved.

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/8/21316430555.jpg&s=f10

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/8/21316433070.jpg&s=f10

Rachel confronting Beyonder after she found out:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/7/19511393773.jpg&s=f10

The fact that the crystal has on panel been shown destroying the multiverse, the fact that Beyonder has no reason to lie to himself, the fact that Beyonder set a plan in motion and was angered when Rachel decided against unleashing the crystals power tells you he can be believed and that for all his power he held the power of the crystal in such high regard.

Originally posted by Cubicks
Thanos did not "destroy" them he "absorbed" them, subtle difference. And yes, it can go both ways. And there is no advantage either way, the absence of on panel proof of either event is the deciding factor here. You are not basing this on any facts, only absence of facts, this is a not so subtle difference.

Thanos didnt absorb the Phoenix Force, therefore you cant assume that he could especially when the Force has greater on panel feats than any of the powers he did actually absorb and greater feats than Thanos himself performed. Holding in check TWICE a power that has wiped out the entire multiverse, manipulating at the atomic level the entire universe in the palm of your hand as if it were nothing.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Absorbed them, he destroy them in the end, they were gone, he didn't absorb PF. That is fact.

Just to finish my point:

http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mute0608xt0.jpg

He "absorbed" them.

I never said that he did absorb the PF so no argument there.

You said he could not destroy the PF and I stated that you were basing that on the absence of facts. I never said that he could, only it is unproven either way.

Originally posted by Cubicks
Even though this all way off topic I just sat through and read all the posts. I have to give props to Mr. Master for sticking to his guns. He makes a statement and backs it up with scans. Kudos to Mr. Master 👆 clap

Oops same to WWK.

😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thanos didnt absorb the Phoenix Force, therefore you cant assume that he could especially when the Force has greater on panel feats than any of the powers he did actually absorb and greater feats than Thanos himself performed. Holding in check TWICE a power that has wiped out the entire multiverse, manipulating at the atomic level the entire universe in the palm of your hand as if it were nothing.

Hey GS, did you even read what I wrote? I never said he could now did I?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Sorry but everything you wrote above this was....let's just say no comment.

A Big Bang.

Cool and its Phoenix that is the power behind this Big Bang as the initiator of the cycle. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
The kinds that Galactus manipulates:

The kinds that Reed Richards can harness:

For a start Galactus triggering a Big Bang using matter and energy spawned from the previous ACTUAL Big Bang means nothing.

The Big Bang is just raw energy that derives from Phoenix, Reed sent a bomb into a reality that was going through its Big Bang and it caused a reaction. Whats your point? What exactly does that prove?

Originally posted by Mr Master
To tell ya the truth though...I kinda rather have this kinda Big Bang substitute:



Not only does it recycle all that is but it does it in, NOT billions of years, but an INSTANT...And...everything is REMADE, the way one wishes it to be.

Oh, did I mention...it's a Multi-versal Big Bang blowup one can REMAKE in one's image.

Please dont start off this Ultimate Nullifier stuff again. We'll handle this issue seperately after we've dealt with the Big Bang issue.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Show me someone holding the Univsere in palm of the hand like Phoenix.

This is POST - Retcon Beyonder who was a UNIVERSE vs Kubik

Here is Kubik(Cosmic Cube)not only holding a Universe in the palm of his hand, but he actually WARPED this ENTIRE Universe into a sphere the size of his hand, and was ready to crush it too.

Are you convinced?

Originally posted by Xplosive
And since we didn't see THOTU doing anything to PF, we can't say THOTU can destroy it.
Wow, Mr. Master.

Is this comedy?

She wasn't destroyed...because she WASN"T THERE!

Originally posted by RUNMAN
Have to give props to the 3 main guys in this thread: Mr. Master, WWK! 😮‍💨 😮‍💨 😮‍💨 😮‍💨

😄

Originally posted by Mr Master
This POST - Retcon Beyonder who was a UNIVERSE vs Kubik

Here is Kubik(Cosmic Cube)not only holding a Universe in the palm of his hand, but he actually WARPED this ENTIRE Universe into a sphere the size of his hand, and was ready to crush it too.

Are you convinced?

The difference is that Beyonder post retcon was a pocket universe. 🙁

Franklin Richards can and has done the same.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Is this comedy?

She wasn't destroyed...because she WASN"T THERE!

Therefore given the feats shes pulled off and the fact thats its an established fact that the Force cannot be destroyed you cant assume that he could destroy the Force if it was there. Its an unknown, leave it at that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
😄

That was rather spiteful. You didnt leave my name in the quote 😖hifty:

Gots ta go, work in the morning!! 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
They both repaired a universe therefore their feats are equal?

Uhh Absolutely.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What kind of logic is this?

Quite simple in fact, you can fix a universe, I can fix a universe.

Only I'm FAR LESS powerful than you.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
They both repaired a universe however the scale of the problem that needed to be fixed was different in both cases. The actual method and power output required in fixing the universe was also different in both cases. This is logic of the most basic kind.

"the scale of the problem that needed to be fixed was different"

And?

How much more serious can it get than this:

This was the ONLY way to save REALITY.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
On top of that whilst Phoenix fixed the actual universe itself, while she dealt with its atomic structure, all Gamora did was revive Eternity a reflection of the universe, from his catatonic state.

Now your just trying.

Galactus and Gamora OPERATED on ETERNITY, they didn't just revive his "reflection"(oh brother it has started) 😆

"I shall be the Surgeon, you the Scappel"

"reflection" my nuts..

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Eternity is merely an aspect of the universe formed AFTER the universe was born.

LT say's Eternity(single universe)is All there is

Eternity(single universe)say's he's All that is to Doctor Strange

Eternity(single universe)is Supreme of each of his realities

This Aspect sure does get around.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Which is irrelevant when they preside in the same universe. The feats Phoenix has performed have saved the entire multiverse

Whatever.

NOT on panel.

When you show it to me DRAWN...then I'll agree.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The difference is that Beyonder post retcon was a pocket universe.

Dude why you have to LIE like that?

He was a UNIVERSE...I just posted the scan and your going to REPOST my scan and tell me it's a pocket universe..

F YOU, you phony.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Beyonder marked out the crystal as the one thing that could end his physical existence and return him to his energy state.

Rachel confronting Beyonder after she found out:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/7/19511393773.jpg&s=f10

Hey let's LEAVE OUT the FACT that Beyonder was WEAK enough for even RACHEL to KILL him when he said this.

Because he had GIVEN Rachel enough power that even SHE would be able to kill him.

And yet,

ALL the Crystal could do is Re-create his state of primal unbeing...what he was Originally, a Universe.

This actually makes the Crystal seem weak.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The fact that the crystal has on panel been shown destroying the multiverse,

LIE.

Show us.

Show us all, on panel where it says this.

"the crystal has been shown destroying the multiverse"

NO BIOS! In a COMIC ISSUE!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
the fact that Beyonder has no reason to lie to himself,

No..that's your job.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
the fact that Beyonder set a plan in motion and was angered when Rachel decided against unleashing the crystals power tells you he can be believed and that for all his power he held the power of the crystal in such high regard.

While weak enough for Rachel to kill him, no doubt.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Please dont start off this Ultimate Nullifier stuff again. We'll handle this issue seperately after we've dealt with the Big Bang issue.

Even your nausiating bios say the same thing.

several links where the Ultimat Nullifier was acknowledged as having REMADE the Multi-verse during the Abraxas arc.

In the Galactus bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Galactus
(Right above CHARACTERISTICS)
Galactus easily wrenched the Nullifer from Abraxas, giving it to Mister Fantastic, who used the weapon to destroy the multiverse. The result served to re-create the multiverse in which Abraxas never existed, and since all that was had ended, all that is was realigned.

In Abraxas bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Abraxas
(last sentence in his ORIGIN)
Galactus was eventually reconstituted by Franklin Richards who completely burned out his powers in the process. Reed Richards then used the Ultimate Nullifer to destroy the multiverse, and remake one in which Abraxas never existed.

In Galactus bio at wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactus
(last sentence in TEMPORARY DEATH)
Galactus easily reclaimed the Ultimate Nullifier from Abraxas and Reed Richards used it to remake the multiverse into one in which Abraxas never escaped.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The difference is that Beyonder post retcon was a pocket universe.

Franklin Richards can and has done the same

Really?

"that is why we have come to this UNIVERSE to find him"
"His power exploded into a New UNIVERSE"

Let's go Universe hunting.

What do we have here:
"a lightless UNIVERSE!....You SEE? Now we shift to a SECOND one!"

"we're right on the edge of ALL REALITIES"

'before us lies our Final UNIVERSE"

Torch thinks they just landed in "Our UNIVERSE"...Doom let's him know to the contrary..."Beyonder hear me"

"Good lord he's the sun"

"NOT JUST the sun, johnny. Beyonder is EVERYTHING in this UNIVERSE"

Don't play yourself with me dogs.

During this confrontation the Universe is POST-Retcon Beyonder.

KUBIK turning a UNIVERSE into a sphere the size of his hand.

So you see holding a UNIVERSE in your hand is not as impressive as you thought.

And we actually SEE Kubik TRANSFORMING an entire UNIVERSE into a sphere the size of his hand, in an INSTANT.

When someone like Kubik can do it and he's not even in my Top Ten in the hierarchy.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So when Galactus goes about absorbing the energies of a planet do you know the exact processes his machines go through in achieving this end or are we just told what the intended goal is and shown a brief artistic depiction of said task being carried out? 😕

Does the fact that we're not given a lesson in comic book science mean we should doubt such occurrences when the intended goal is marked out, the feat is depicted artistically, before the intended goal is realised on panel? ❌

Whose looking for a comic book science. I'm looking for why the Force needed to control atoms of the universe? I don't care how it's done, but why since you've been claiming that she performed such a feat according to the scan. If there was than why? What purpose is there?

You said it best:

Whatever manipulation was performed by the Phoenix on this universe, it was performed at the atomic level, within the palm of her hand. All we know is that it was performed in an effort to fulfil the aforementioned task and that’s all we need to know.

So what was she performing if she did such a thing? And why? Was it just a need to show off? 🙄 A future was destroyed, fix an event in the past and grow a new future. That's all that's needed and that's what she did.

Jean was told she needed to grow the universe a new future. She was shown over three panels with nothing in her hand, to having disparate energy globules, to having what we're told is a universe in her hand. All that occurring whilst the Consciousness tells her control of all of those atoms isnt as easy as it sounds in training. Jean demonstrated control of an entire universes atomic structure in the palm of her hand. While we dont know exactly what manipulation Jean/Phoenix performed, we know to what ends it was being performed to (i.e the growing of a new future for 616) therefore that is all we need to know.

From what your saying, her highest feat, and one that even the Conscious of the Force claims is "not easy," is forming the universe in her hands. Big freaken deal. All she did was forming the universe in her hands by "controlling all those atoms."

This feat was said to be above to the Infinity Gauntlet merging two universes. 😂