Luke's skill · Star Wars: Literature & Expanded Universe

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

Luke's skill

There's a "Dooku's skill" thread, so why not a Luke? Many people seem to think Luke is not powerful what so ever by the time of ROTJ as compared to the PT Jedi. He learned from the best, and learned it fast. I'm out to prove that Luke is as good as those PT Jedi. Best way to do that? Examples, I suppose. Here are a few:

These are before ESB happens, also, and Luke is still pretty good.
http://www.swcomics.com/empire_c.php?i=12&f=34&name=Star_Wars_-_Empire_34
http://www.swcomics.com/empire_c.php?i=20&f=26&name=Star_Wars_-_Empire_26
http://www.swcomics.com/empire_c.php?i=15&f=27&name=Star_Wars_-_Empire_27

Also, a left over clone, who has seen Jedi fight, called Luke a Jedi. Take that for what you will, also.
http://www.swcomics.com/empire_c.php?i=23&f=27&name=Star_Wars_-_Empire_27

Luke is able to show his skills with the force in ROTJ when he effortlessly subdues two guards and when he performs a mind trick.
Luke shows us two great fights against Vader.
Luke takes out around 20ish mercenaries on Jabba's sail barge.
Vader comments that Lukes "Skills are complete" in ROTJ.

Anybody have anything to add on or comment about? That is why it's a thread, after all.

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Legion_of_Maul Cool Joe.

he's definently the greatest jedi of all time.

Razielim KGB

Actually, the best way to analyze Luke's skill is to watch Return of the Jedi and see how he swings the baseball bat-err, I mean lightsaber.

Luke's cool in the OT. But by RotJ, the only thing he has above PT Jedi is a higher batting average.

Escape81 Restricted

I somewhat agree. By the time of RotJ, Luke certainly wasn't a Mace Windu or a Yoda - but, yes, he is very powerful - especially for the limited time he had for training. His potential is immense, and he is a capable Jedi even with the meager training under his belt.

By the time of Dark Nest, yeah, I agree that Luke is the most powerful Jedi ever. Perhaps even the most powerful Force-user ever.

Lightsnake Senior Member

No, actually, by ROTJ, Luke's pretty much stronger than most of the PT era Jedi. by ROTJ, Luke is damn good

Razielim KGB

Based on what? Killing a dozen criminals at Jabba's place? Lifting C3PO with the force?

darth_dracus post master general

how could luke be so great it took him awhile to defeat a sith that moved like 2miles per hour and also moved like a robot.

darth_dracus post master general

srry my friend posted that.

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

Well, tell your "friend" to ask that to Obi Wan. Vader isn't slow.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Luke beat Vader for one and was able to drive him back, picked up a saber and within several months time learned as much about it as any knight...yeah, Luke's good

Razielim KGB

Yeah, he beat his physically and emotionally crippled father when Vader wasn't even putting up a fight. Luke might have been as good as a knight by RotJ, but months after ANH? Years after ANH, and he could barely grab his saber with the force. He wasn't even youngling level at that point.

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

With those links I posted, the first few are just to show how fast Luke learned, even before he met with Yoda. The latter section is more impressive, with Luke doing things like inspiring awe with his speed, kicking thugs off swoop bikes while deflecting fire behind his back, using mind tricks, and showing Vader that his power is now incredible (see the last link). These things couldn't be achieved by your average Joe Schmo PT Jedi.

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

He had just been smashed in the face by a wampa, all the blood had run to his head, and he was frozen, whaddaya expect from him?

He is capable of more than that. Immediately following ANH, he could use the force. He was just in horrible condition at that point in ESB.
http://www.swcomics.com/Empire_Era2_c.php?i=2&f=22&name=Splinter_of_the_Minds_Eye_Part_4_of_4
http://www.swcomics.com/Empire_Era2_c.php?i=14&f=20&name=Splinter_of_the_Minds_Eye_Part_2_of_4

Razielim KGB

Each group of criminals consisted of 6 people according to the novel. Luke fought two in Shadows of the Empire. Hardly impressive, when Anakin took on about 20 when he was a Padawan.

Really, do you see Luke doing many of the things Anakin did in AotC? He senses completely silent bugs from meters away and, in seconds, leaps into the next room and cuts them off of Padme's face without even hurting her. Luke hasn't really demonstrated anywhere near that precision by RotJ. In a similar situation, Luke would probably miss and cut off Padme's head.

Luke wields the damn thing like a baseball bat. Watch RotJ. His saber technique is obviously lacking.

ESB? Luke looked fine. He got knocked unconscious and woke up and stuggled to grab the thing.

Captain REX Networking

Comparing Luke to Anakin is a tad different, not to mention that that is Anakin after ten years of training.

And Luke is supposed to have achieved Knighthood with the defeat of the Sith.

overlord OD'd

People wouldn't want Luke to be better than the average PT jedi anyway..

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

Originally posted by Razielim
Luke wields the damn thing like a baseball bat. Watch RotJ. His saber technique is obviously lacking.

Compared to Obi wan and Anakin's baton skills?...
Well, it seemed to work fine for him against Vader now didn't it? In ESB his saberwork is excellent. Oh yeah, and compare the scene on Jabba's sail barge to what we see some of the PT Jedi doing in the Geonosis arena, Luke does much better.

Darth Vious Restricted

Luke was supposed to be 'the Hero' of the SW saga, so obviously, he's going to be hyped as such, but, as Rasielim pointed out above, his 'skills' in RotJ are no better than those of a PT Youngling. When he enetered Jabba's palace, he used the Force to choke the guards. That was unnecessary, and, Yoda clearly said, a Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defence, never for attack...
As mentioned, by Razielim, he wields his lightsaber like a bat and just swings it in the vain hopes of hitting something.
While on Jabba's barge, one of the guards was able to shoot him in the hand! (had it been an organic limb, he would have been disarmed) The fight against Vader, again, as pointed out by Razielim was hardly anything special, or showing Luke in a good light.
As for Vaders comment 'your skills are now complete', that was because he had constructed his lightsaber (as did all Padawans) Obi-Wan had constructed his own lightsaber prior to TPM, so by arguement, his skills were also complete, but he was still learning new skills and new techniques up till RotS and beyond. Just because Luke had gained and completed the basic skills, that didn't necessarily mean he had nothing more to learn, or that he was any better than he actually was. Zett Jukassa was shown to have better blaster deflection skills in RotS (even though he was ultimately killed)

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

Originally posted by Darth Vious
[BWhen he enetered Jabba's palace, he used the Force to choke the guards. That was unnecessary, and, Yoda clearly said, a Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defence, never for attack...[/B]

That little hypocrite. He slammed two guards when he went to get Sidious.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by jollyjim311
That little hypocrite. He slammed two guards when he went to get Sidious.

He did, but, he didn't choke them, (which is a much more agressive technique) as Luke did. To be honest, by brushing them into the wall and preventing them from taking any action against him, Yoda was actually doing the guards a favor...