Luke's skill

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Lightsnake Senior Member

Yep, guess so, considering Luke had no idea she was his sister at the time. Oh, and once more: Mark Hamill using the saber makes no difference, unless you wanna admit Mace sucks

Fascinating, Luke was dealing with about ten other people, remember that? Oh and according to Mace...Jango DID pose a threat to him

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

Dammit! Of course I left out one link. It would bother me not to put it up, well here it is: http://www.swcomics.com/empire_c.php?i=8&f=40&name=Star_Wars_-_Empire_40

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yep, guess so, considering Luke had no idea she was his sister at the time.

That does nothing to change the fact that he was attracted to her, and that kind of attraction does not just 'disappear'. How long did it take for Luke to hook up with Mara? How many women did he go through before her? What was wrong with any of them? Only thing I can think of was that they didn't come up to Leia's standard.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Oh, and once more: Mark Hamill using the saber makes no difference,

I never said anything about Mark Hamill using the saber, so don't try and use that as a strawman. I've already pointed out that Mark, Dave and Sir Alec all had a fencing coach, and, Lucas said in a documentary, that the OT fights were being fought by people not fully in their prime (or lacking in training), so mentioning Hamill means absolutely nothing. He portrayed Luke as Lucas intended him to, and that was as someone who had a natural talent, but not a refined technique.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Fascinating, Luke was dealing with about ten other people, remember that?

He was not dealing with them all at the same time, but one after the other. That still doesn't change the fact that he was completely taken by surprize by a non-Force sensitive Human, and the only reason he wasn't disarmed by the shot, was because his hand was artificial.

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Originally posted by jollyjim311
Dammit! Of course I left out one link. It would bother me not to put it up, well here it is: http://www.swcomics.com/empire_c.php?i=8&f=40&name=Star_Wars_-_Empire_40

Sorry, but a comic is not as canon reference as the movies. For a start, the design of Luke's lightsaber is wrong. That is Obi-Wan's lightsaber. The only time Luke used a lightsaber with a blue blade was when he had Anakin's. The saber he made for himself, (although being a similar design to Obi-Wan's) had a green blade. That said, it does show quite nicely that Storm Troopers weren't necessarily all clones, and that they couldn't stand up to a Jedi (no matter the Jedi's level of training)

Lightsnake Senior Member

Man, you are such a hypocrite...The PT Jedi were allsurprised and Lucas said Luke became a true warrior by ROTJ. You miss how Luke was, y'know, busy with a small army? Hm?

Ok, Mace is a bad fighter and so's Yoda because their fight scenes are terrible. Don't start whining when your bullshit is shot down

Oh, and the design's fine.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Man, you are such a hypocrite...

No I'm not.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The PT Jedi were allsurprised

Do you actually read what I write or do you just keep on regardless? I explained why the PT Jedi were taken by surprize (just incase you missed it the other times I said) It was because the Clones were following orders. They had no opinion about what they were doing, so there were no negative feelings for the Jedi to pick up on. The guard who surprized Luke in RotJ was not a clone, but a regular Human. Any other Jedi would have known his intention and acted upon it. Even Obi-Wan was able to react before someone could pull a blaster on him in ANH, and he had already admitted to Luke that he was "getting too old for this sort of thing..." If an old man can still defend himself, what was Luke's excuse? If you mean this half-a$$ed attempt at sarcasm:
Originally posted by Lightsnake
You miss how Luke was, y'know, busy with a small army? Hm?

Try reading and understanding my original answer to you. I can't even be bothered to retype it, so it's pasted:

Originally posted by Darth Vious
He was not dealing with them all at the same time, but one after the other. That still doesn't change the fact that he was completely taken by surprize by a non-Force sensitive Human, and the only reason he wasn't disarmed by the shot, was because his hand was artificial.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Lucas said Luke became a true warrior by ROTJ.

Lucas said in Feeling the Force documentary that Luke was a half-trained boy.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Ok, Mace is a bad fighter and so's Yoda because their fight scenes are terrible.

I never said that at all, you half-wit. Infact, I already pointed out how Mace dealt with Jango in the Geonosian arena as if Jango was firing a water pistol at him. What does Mace do? He just ran at him uninterupted and decapitated him. The shots Jango fired didn't even slow Mace down, he just deflected them and kept running.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Don't start whining when your bullshit is shot down

You want to heed your own advice, you dipshit. How many times did you have to be told yesterday that Luke was shot in his artificial hand in RotJ? How many times did you deny it? What was the outcome? Who was right? Oh that's right, I was, and then you got in a strop over it.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Oh, and the design's fine.

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You really might want to get your eyes tested, you're clearly having problems distinguishing one thing from another.
This is what Anakin's lightsaber looked like Obi-Wan gave it to Luke in ANH:

This is what it looked like when Luke lost it in ESB:

This is what the saber that Luke built himself looks like:
(when ignited, it has a GREEN blade)

This is what Obi-Wan Kenobi's lightsaber looked like in ANH:
(when ignited, it has a BLUE blade)

Here is the page that was previously linked. Look at the emitter and lower grip of the lightsaber in Luke's hand:
http://www.swcomics.com/empire_c.php?i=8&f=40&name=Star_Wars_-_Empire_40

Which of the lightsabers shown above does it look like?
What color is the blade?

Lightsnake Senior Member

Sabers aren't differe,t I'd love your source on Luke being a half-trained boy and when that was said, and since you state Luicas isn't canon, well..

And you're a hypocrite. Go away

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sabers aren't differe,t

Are you blind? Can you not see the differences between the four pictures I posted? Can you not identify the saber Luke is holding in the cartoon from those four sabers? Or are you just not prepared to admit that once more, you are wrong?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'd love your source on Luke being a half-trained boy and when that was said,

You really don't read what I write, do you. I clearly said Feeling the Force Documentary. That was something Lucas said.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
and since you state Luicas isn't canon, well..

Do you agree with me?
According to 'the policy' around here, Lucas is ultimate canon (regardless of what I have said to prove otherwise) That means that for this debate, Lucas' word is correct, and I have given you Lucas' word.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And you're a hypocrite. Go away

No, you are a hypocrite. You cannot stand to be proven wrong or accept that you are wrong. I'm re-posting my previous post, and if you do not address every single individual point or answer every single individual question, you will have proven that you are an ignorant fool who is unprepared to admit when he is wrong, and I will not continue wasting my time debating with such a half-wit.

No I'm not.

Do you actually read what I write or do you just keep on regardless? I explained why the PT Jedi were taken by surprize (just incase you missed it the other times I said) It was because the Clones were following orders. They had no opinion about what they were doing, so there were no negative feelings for the Jedi to pick up on. The guard who surprized Luke in RotJ was not a clone, but a regular Human. Any other Jedi would have known his intention and acted upon it. Even Obi-Wan was able to react before someone could pull a blaster on him in ANH, and he had already admitted to Luke that he was "getting too old for this sort of thing..." If an old man can still defend himself, what was Luke's excuse? If you mean this half-a$$ed attempt at sarcasm:

Try reading and understanding my original answer to you. I can't even be bothered to retype it, so it's pasted:

Lucas said in Feeling the Force documentary that Luke was a half-trained boy.

I never said that at all, you half-wit. Infact, I already pointed out how Mace dealt with Jango in the Geonosian arena as if Jango was firing a water pistol at him. What does Mace do? He just ran at him uninterupted and decapitated him. The shots Jango fired didn't even slow Mace down, he just deflected them and kept running.

You want to heed your own advice, you dipshit. How many times did you have to be told yesterday that Luke was shot in his artificial hand in RotJ? How many times did you deny it? What was the outcome? Who was right? Oh that's right, I was, and then you got in a strop over it.

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You really might want to get your eyes tested, you're clearly having problems distinguishing one thing from another.
This is what Anakin's lightsaber looked like Obi-Wan gave it to Luke in ANH:

This is what it looked like when Luke lost it in ESB:

This is what the saber that Luke built himself looks like:
(when ignited, it has a GREEN blade)

This is what Obi-Wan Kenobi's lightsaber looked like in ANH:
(when ignited, it has a BLUE blade)

Here is the page that was previously linked. Look at the emitter and lower grip of the lightsaber in Luke's hand:
http://www.swcomics.com/empire_c.php?i=8&f=40&name=Star_Wars_-_Empire_40

Which of the lightsabers shown above does it look like?
What color is the blade?

Legion_of_Maul Cool Joe.

how many jedi knights do you know of that can survive the most powerful sith lord's lightning storm?

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Legion_of_Maul
how many jedi knights do you know of that can survive the most powerful sith lord's lightning storm?

Yoda.
Luke only survived because Anakin picked up Palpatine and flung him down the shaft. Had that not happened, he would have died.

Lightsnake Senior Member

More insults and idiocy from Vious. Get over it: The EU's valid so shut up about it.

And moreover, you, every time you're proven wrong try to discredit the source, even Lucas

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The EU's valid so shut up about it.

Do you not understand English? Do you have learning difficulties?
EU is not as valid as the movies. Is that simple enough for you?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And moreover, you, every time you're proven wrong try to discredit the source, even Lucas

I discredit the source by using a more canon form of evidence. That is how debate works. Do you not understand that?

You still have not responded to my above points or answered the questions about the lightsaber.
If, on the other hand, you should care to admit that you are wrong, then I will let the matter drop, but untill you either answer my question and prove me wrong or admit you are wrong yourself, I will just keep re-posting it.
This is what Anakin's lightsaber looked like Obi-Wan gave it to Luke in ANH:

This is what it looked like when Luke lost it in ESB:

This is what the saber that Luke built himself looks like:
(when ignited, it has a GREEN blade)

This is what Obi-Wan Kenobi's lightsaber looked like in ANH:
(when ignited, it has a BLUE blade)

Here is the page that was previously linked. Look at the emitter and lower grip of the lightsaber in Luke's hand:
http://www.swcomics.com/empire_c.php?i=8&f=40&name=Star_Wars_-_Empire_40

Which of the lightsabers shown above does it look like?
What color is the blade?

Lightsnake Senior Member

Simple enough for you: It's valid here.

The saber looks like Luke's, it's a blue blade.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Simple enough for you: It's valid here.

Just because it's valid here, that still does not make it more valid than the movies! Get it?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The saber looks like Luke's, it's a blue blade.

Which of Luke's sabers? The one he inherited from Anakin or the one he made himself?

Lightsnake Senior Member

and unfortunately, you're in the rules of the forums and as those things are canon, they're more canon than or your interpretations, get it?

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
and unfortunately, you're in the rules of the forums and as those things are canon, they're more canon than or your interpretations, get it?

Answer the question.

Darth_Malazia Junior Member
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Compared to Obi wan and Anakin's baton skills?...
Well, it seemed to work fine for him against Vader now didn't it? In ESB his saberwork is excellent. Oh yeah, and compare the scene on Jabba's sail barge to what we see some of the PT Jedi doing in the Geonosis arena, Luke does much better.

Yeah but, then again Vader/Anakin was much weaker by that time and he kicked lukes A$$ in ESB and then in ROTJ he beat Vader after he got very mad at the threat towards leia

Captain REX Networking

That looks like Kenobi's, really. Depends on what time the comic takes place, doesn't it? He also has his father's lightsaber on the cover.

Originally posted by Darth Vious
...but untill you either answer my question and prove me wrong or admit you are wrong yourself, I will just keep re-posting it.

That would be spamming...

Originally posted by Darth Vious
Do you not understand English? Do you have learning difficulties?
EU is not as valid as the movies. Is that simple enough for you?

You're right there. Lightsnake, even though this is the EU forum...the movies still overrule.

Lightsnake Senior Member

There's a difference, Rex: He's vetoing EU that in no way contradicts anything because it disproves him. I'm not pulling out pieces that say "Vader is Luke's cousin," Or anything, I'm showing pieces that elaborate on what happened in film

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

A few things:
-All the links elaborate on what happened in between the movies, they can be used as sources and are part of the character.
-About the lightsaber: An artist just screwed up the drawing, so what?
-PT Jedi weren't just killed by surprise attacks from clones! Crappy battle droids have gunned them down in straight fights. Battle droids are far worse than Jabba's mercs. When put in a situation against harder opponents than some PT Jedi faced and died against, Luke walked away unharmed. Don't try to pretend like having a robotic hand is a bad thing, either. It is stronger and more durable than a normal hand.