Luke's skill

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Originally posted by Lightsnake
Oh, the COMIC'S WRITER confirming Vader's surrender isn't genuine means nothing? Please!

So where does the writer say that? Provide a link.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
*atching ROTJ* Nope, no black glove. Just his human hand getting shot. You were saying?

You'd better keep watching and get your eyes tested then.
What hand is Luke shot in? (left or right)
Which of Luke's hands is artificial? (left or right)
Which hand is Luke holding the lightsaber in when it is shot ? (Left or right)

When Luke gets into the X-Wing, he pulls a black glove onto his right (artificial) hand and wears it till the end of the movie.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Where's the evidence except in your head? Oh, right it doesn't exist and it's contradicted by actually official stuff. Try again

Oh dear, you really are pathetic. You can't even see the evidence that is infront of you. You can't even keep canon orders straight in your head.

You still have not answered my question as to if you think Jabba's minions are as skilled as Clone Troopers, or are you finished embarassing yourself?

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder
Originally posted by Darth Vious
I'm not nit-picking, I am clarrifying. The only Humans who stood up to Battle Droids were Clone Troopers, not everyday people. As I asked, do you seriously think that Jabba's guards were as skilled as Clone Troopers?

Aliens resisting invasion beat clone droids, too. What are you getting at. PT Jedi were killed by droids, which are worse than the guard that shot Luke in the hand, doing no real damage at all. You have nothing in this argument.

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Originally posted by General Zink
That's a redundant comment. Slamming them unconscious against a wall as a pre-emptive strike isn't as agressive as momentarily stunning them with a light choke?

On the contrary, it is not. Who said it was a light choke, or that it was momentary? It was still an unnecessarily aggressive use of the Force on Luke's part. TPM has shown how fast a properly trained Jedi can move, why could Luke not simply have used a burst of speed to get passed them unnoticed?

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

Because, he didn't want two gomorrians yelling about an intruder.

Lightsnake Senior Member

It's called Insider as I've already said.

*Watching the scene* Nope, Luke's shot in the ungloved hand, cries out, whirls and kills the guard...it's the ungloved hand, try again!

And considering the average stormy can't get a shot off while the average Jabba guard is able to land a shot on Luke...yeah, in the movie context Jabba's guards are better.

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Originally posted by jollyjim311
Aliens resisting invasion beat clone droids, too. What are you getting at. PT Jedi were killed by droids, which are worse than the guard that shot Luke in the hand, doing no real damage at all. You have nothing in this argument.

Aliens are not Humans. Average Humans are not as good as droids.
Stop avoiding the question, do you think Jabba's minions are as well trained as Clone Troopers? Yes or No? I have plenty in this arguement, it's just the Skywalker fanboys who refuse to accept it.

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

It's his artificial hand, but so what, Luke has the advantage of a better hand.

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

Sure, Jabba had good thugs. Jesus, you're frustrating. Average PT Jedi were gunned down by far worse people. What the Hell is your point?

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Originally posted by Lightsnake
It's called Insider as I've already said.

Yes, and I want to see a link to the comment.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
*Watching the scene* Nope, Luke's shot in the ungloved hand, cries out, whirls and kills the guard...it's the ungloved hand, try again!

You didn't answer the questions. Try again.

What hand is Luke shot in? (left or right)
Which of Luke's hands is artificial? (left or right)
Which hand is Luke holding the lightsaber in when it is shot ? (Left or right)

When Luke gets into the X-Wing, he pulls a black glove onto his right (artificial) hand and wears it till the end of the movie.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And considering the average stormy can't get a shot off while the average Jabba guard is able to land a shot on Luke...yeah, in the movie context Jabba's guards are better.

I didn't say Storm Trooper, I said Clone Trooper. Try again.

Lightsnake Senior Member

You even SEE Luke's good hand shot...see the mark on it?

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Originally posted by Lightsnake
You even SEE Luke's good hand shot...see the mark on it?

You still seem incapable of answering questions...

What hand is Luke shot in? (left or right)
Which of Luke's hands is artificial? (left or right)
Which hand is Luke holding the lightsaber in when it is shot ? (Left or right)

When Luke gets into the X-Wing, he pulls a black glove onto his right (artificial) hand and wears it till the end of the movie.

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

Luke's artificial hand looks real, you do realize that, right? It was his fake hand. Still, having an artificial hand is an advantage for Luke.

Lightsnake Senior Member

I don't recall left or right...we see his flesh covered hand shot, upon which he gives a short cry of pain and then kills the guard.

Oh, and his artificial hand changes several times. Continuity goof, y'know? Especially when he's riding the bike on Endor

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Originally posted by jollyjim311
Luke's artificial hand looks real, you do realize that, right? It was his fake hand. Still, having an artificial hand is an advantage for Luke.

That's aimed at Lightsnake, right?

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

You say aimed like a bad thing. Yeah, I was telling him. Maybe it slipped his mind.

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Originally posted by Lightsnake
I don't recall left or right...

Watch again!

Originally posted by Lightsnake
we see his flesh covered hand shot, upon which he gives a short cry of pain and then kills the guard.

No! You see the synthetic flesh covered artificial hand shot! Yes, he give a short cry of pain (probably a good deal of surprize too). If he had been shot in his organic hand, he would have dropped the lightsaber.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Oh, and his artificial hand changes several times. Continuity goof, y'know? Especially when he's riding the bike on Endor

No! Continuity goofs explain reversed angle negatives, that I accept. The actual artificial hand does not change! Answer the questions:
What hand is Luke shot in? (left or right)
Which of Luke's hands is artificial? (left or right)
Which hand is Luke holding the lightsaber in when it is shot ? (Left or right)

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Originally posted by jollyjim311
You say aimed like a bad thing. Yeah, I was telling him. Maybe it slipped his mind.

Sorry, I wasn't sure if the comment was directed at me or him. It clearly has slipped his mind.

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Originally posted by jollyjim311
Sure, Jabba had good thugs.

Are 'good thugs' as good as Clone Troopers?

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Jesus, you're frustrating.

Only because I'm right, and you're wrong.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Average PT Jedi were gunned down by far worse people.

In the movies. When did that happen?

Originally posted by jollyjim311
What the Hell is your point?

My point, is that Luke was taken completely by surprize by a non-Force Sensitive Human Guard. (It took Clone Troopers to take down the Jedi during Order 66, and Human Guards are nowhere near that level of skill or training.) Had Luke's hand not been artificial, he would have been disarmed. RotS showed Zett Jukassa and Ki-Adi deflecting blaster bolts from Clone Troopers before they were ultimately outnumbered and overwhelmed. If they are capable of defending themselves (for a limited time) against such skilled opponents, what excuse does Luke(who had the arrogance to call himself a Jedi Knight) have for being taken by surprize by someone of much lesser skill than a Clone Trooper?

Lightsnake Senior Member

Clone troopers are storm troopers.

Luke yells in pain when he's shot. Why would he do this if shot with an artificial hand? Answer the questions here: Why is the hand wounded? Why does Luke yell in pain? How does Luke best Vader if he;s so weak? Could any youngling best Vader who's 80 percent of Palpatine?

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Originally posted by Lightsnake
Clone troopers are storm troopers.

No they are not. CLones aged at twice the speed of ordinary Humans. By the time of ANH, they would physically be in their 60s.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Luke yells in pain when he's shot. Why would he do this if shot with an artificial hand?

The hand still has a sense of touch. With Anakin's artificial hand, the fingertips were electrostatically sensitive to touch, but it had no synthetic skin, so it's sense of touch would have been limited. Luke's hand was a more advanced model than Anakins. It had synthetic skin and was entirely sensitive to touch (you can see that when it was grafted onto his arm in ESB)

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Answer the questions here: Why is the hand wounded?

It was hit by a blaster bold.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Why does Luke yell in pain?

The hand still has a sense of touch. With Anakin's artificial hand, the fingertips were electrostatically sensitive to touch, but it had no synthetic skin, so it's sense of touch would have been limited. Luke's hand was a more advanced model than Anakins. It had synthetic skin and was entirely sensitive to touch (you can see that when it was grafted onto his arm in ESB)

Originally posted by Lightsnake
How does Luke best Vader if he;s so weak?

Because Vader did not want to kill his son.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Could any youngling best Vader who's 80 percent of Palpatine?

Not any youngling, but, Luke was Vader's son. Do you understand the emotion involved there?