Luke's skill

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jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

You said no EU, he was poking fun.

Look at the AOTC Geonosis arena, many Jedi were killed by normal battle droids. Luke was fine after taking a shot in the hand from one on Jabba's top guys.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Look at the AOTC Geonosis arena, many Jedi were killed by normal battle droids.

Battle droids are not Human guards.
Since when do non-Force Sensitive Human guards have the skill to take down Jedi?

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Luke was fine after taking a shot in the hand from one on Jabba's top guys.

Correction: Luke was fine after taking a shot in the artificial hand from one of Jabba's top guys.
[Edit to add]
Please see the bottom of the other page for my reply to your Purge comment, as the page has now rolled over.

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

Vader was being crafty, that guy ended up with a blade through his chest.

Lightsnake Senior Member

The Clones killed Jedi. Non-Force sensitive being.

And no, Luke was shot in his organic hand. And in Purge Vader is playing on the Jedi's emotions, he played them against one another.

And the movie doesn't say a thing, the novelization overrides your opinion. And watch that scene again...Luke is shot in his organic hand, turns and kills the guy. Oh, and this is an EU forum with EU discussion. Everything that throws your opinion in the trash is 'invalid' though and only your opinion goes?

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Vader was being crafty, that guy ended up with a blade through his chest.

He got killed because he had betrayed Bultar. As a character, he had to be 'punished' for that betrayal. I do not think Vader was being crafty at all. I beleive that when he said it, his surrender was genuine.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Except it was confirmed that he was turning them against eachother

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

Bull, then why did he punk him?

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The Clones killed Jedi. Non-Force sensitive being.

I said Human Guards, not Clones.
Do you seriously think that Jabba's minions were as skilled as the Clone Troopers?
The Jedi were killed by the Clones because the Clones were following orders (which they had been conditioned to do without question) They were not acting out of malice, so there were no hostile intentions for the Jedi to pick up on. The only Jedi who tried to put up a defence (Ki-Adi and Zett) saw what the Clones were doing, and were able to try to defend themselves. The others were all shot from behind and died without a struggle. (Yoda may have overheard the communique and pre-empted the Clone's attack)

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And no, Luke was shot in his organic hand.

No, he was not. Luke's right hand was severed by Vader. Luke was holding his saber in his (artificial) right hand when the guard shot him in the hand.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And the movie doesn't say a thing, the novelization overrides your opinion.

The movie might not say anything, but Vader's conflict is visibly clear, and the movie overrides the novelization.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Oh, and this is an EU forum with EU discussion.

So what? Even if this is an EU forum, that still does not mean that EU is more canon than a movie.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Everything that throws your opinion in the trash is 'invalid' though and only your opinion goes?

Don't even try and make this personal, you snivelling child. I'm debating facts, and using facts to support my points. You just can't accept that the facts I use outweigh the ones you use.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Except it was confirmed that he was turning them against eachother

Where was it confirmed.
They thought he was turning them against each other.
His surrender, when he gave it, was genuine.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Bull, then why did he punk him?

Because he killed Bultar, who had accepted his surrender.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Does the EU contradict the canon here? No. You're just grasping at straws.
And nope, no conflict is clear. Novelization was done with direct Lucas review and collaboration. Your opinions means NOTHING!
And I see ROTJ...I see Luke shot in his HUMAN hand, hmmm!

*Yawn* Ah, *Snovelling child? Using facts! HAH! It's "NO! I'm right! You're wrong! No, I don't care about your evidence, only my opinion matters!"
Grow up, Vious. You ignore any bit of evidence in favor of your own opinion.

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

Plenty of PT Jedi were killed by crap people. Normal "Rodger Rodger" battle droids in the Geonosis arena. Clones in the Temple.

Lightsnake Senior Member

confirmed Vader tricked them in Insider. And John Ostrander said that Vader was smart enough to drive a wedge between them

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Does the EU contradict the canon here? No. You're just grasping at straws.

The only person grasping at straws here is you.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And nope, no conflict is clear.

Yes, it is.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Novelization was done with direct Lucas review and collaboration.

Novelization still does not top movie for canon.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Your opinions means NOTHING!

Your opinions mean nothing either. I am not expressing my opinion, I am stating facts as shown in the movie. Get over it!

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And I see ROTJ...I see Luke shot in his HUMAN hand, hmmm!

Then you need to get your eyes tested.
Why was Luke wearing a black glove on his right hand from the time immediately after the battle on the sail barge to the end of the movie?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
*Yawn* Ah, *Snovelling child? Using facts! HAH! It's "NO! I'm right! You're wrong! No, I don't care about your evidence, only my opinion matters!"
Grow up, Vious. You ignore any bit of evidence in favor of your own opinion.

I ignore evidence that is outweighed by more canon evidence. My opinion has nothing to do with it. If anyone needs to grow up, it's you.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Plenty of PT Jedi were killed by crap people. Normal "Rodger Rodger" battle droids in the Geonosis arena. Clones in the Temple.

As I said above. Battle droids are not Humans. As I asked above, are you saying that Jabba's minions were as well trained as Republic CLone Troopers?

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
confirmed Vader tricked them in Insider. And John Ostrander said that Vader was smart enough to drive a wedge between them

And where is that in the actual comic? Where does it say in the comic that Vader's surrender was not genuine?

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder
Originally posted by Darth Vious
As I said above. Battle droids are not Humans. As I asked above, are you saying that Jabba's minions were as well trained as Republic CLone Troopers?

Battle droids suck wrose than humans, you're just nit-picking now.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Oh, the COMIC'S WRITER confirming Vader's surrender isn't genuine means nothing? Please!

*atching ROTJ* Nope, no black glove. Just his human hand getting shot. You were saying?

Where's the conflict clear now? Where's the evidence except in your head? Oh, right it doesn't exist and it's contradicted by actually official stuff. Try again

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Battle droids suck wrose than humans, you're just nit-picking now.

I'm not nit-picking, I am clarrifying. The only Humans who stood up to Battle Droids were Clone Troopers, not everyday people. As I asked, do you seriously think that Jabba's guards were as skilled as Clone Troopers?

General Zink Bane
Originally posted by Darth Vious
He did, but, he didn't choke them, (which is a much more agressive technique) as Luke did. To be honest, by brushing them into the wall and preventing them from taking any action against him, Yoda was actually doing the guards a favor...

That's a redundant comment. Slamming them unconscious against a wall as a pre-emptive strike isn't as agressive as momentarily stunning them with a light choke?