Originally posted by Mr Master
Heck even Richards can generate a Big Bang explosion:
Reed makes a Bomb that contains a big bang from a universe
Nope. Reed Richards opened up a doorway to a new universe in the midst of its Big Bang, directed a bomb at it which resulted in a reaction causing energy to spew out of the dimensional doorway into the path of Gah-Lak-Tus. You need any more help interpreting comics correctly you just gimme a shout. ļ
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Reed Richards "thing" your referring to, is when he Destroyed and Remade the TRUE Mulitverse in a split second with the Ultimate Nullifier.Ok this is to prove it was the Multiverse that was Remade.
Here Abraxas kills Every Galactus in every universe.
Abraxas kills every Reed Richards in every universe
Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to kill Abraxas & remake the Multiverse
UN destroys the Multiverse
UN remakes the Multiverse
He may have killed all of those Richards and Galactus’ across the multiverse but whats your point? That doesn’t change the fact that he only fixed the 616 universe, or as the handbook puts it returned it to its previous normality:
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Originally posted by Mr Master
Ok mr know it all let's disprove this too.Galactus say's Eternity(single universe)is the Entire universe
Galactus say's about that same Eternity(single universe)he's All reality
LT say's Eternity(single universe)is All there is
Eternity(single universe)say's he's All that is to Doctor Strange
Thanos said IG gave him power over All that is.
So what exactly have you disproved here? 😕
You tried to make out that Thanos absorbed the multiverse when you said "all that is" I corrected you and said that it was in fact just the universe. A point i have now proven to you with scans. 😄
All you've highlighted is how ambiguous terms such as "all that is" can be in comic books. You just have to use common sense and comic book depictions along with statements to let you know the scale being referred to.
Originally posted by Mr Master
This is a bunch of gibberish!This never happened and has never happened, this is some story being told,
about events that Supposedly will take place in the future.It's funny how you disregard LT saying he represents forces that dwarf the IG, but this...some story being told about a scenario that has never played out, you except.
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As stated on panel the replacement of the fundamental forces and Phoenixes role in this process is something which happens every creation cycle. It’s the natural order and it’s something the abstracts understand, accept and therefore encourage. Eternity for example has the Celestials seed genetic potential in emerging races in an effort to help bring about the end. The Phoenix jumpstarts this process and ultimately brings about the end of creation which in itself is a new beginning.
While the Strangers plans never happened Phoenixes role and ability to replace the abstracts and bring about the end of the creation cycle is canon and does happen. Phoenix has always been said to be the power behind the creation cycle. She initiates creation by manifesting as the Big Bang and she is the power that ultimately closes the cycle:
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With that in mind your point is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Mr Master
What you need to do is, show me WHEN and WHERE did Phoenix EVER destroy a Multiverse?
I'll go easy on you...show WHEN and WHERE did she ever Create a Universe?
NOT remake a Universe...I know she can do that....show me anytime she's actually made a Universe from scratch?
Why would I need to show you that? Ive never claimed that Phoenix has done such a thing. But of course noone else has either as I have shown so again moot point. ļ
Phoenix has however kept in a check on a number of occasions a power that can and has destroyed the multiverse. 😉
As for Phoenix creating a universe Im a bit baffled . Just how many times can you miss the much stated point that Phoenix is the Big Bang. You do know what Big Bangs result in dont you? 😕
Originally posted by Mr Master
This is hilarious...
The Stranger is an infamous LIAR across the cosmos, for all we know he could have made those mutants see illusions.
Look at this wisdom from Silver Surfer:
Irrelevant as all the info and visualizations from X-men Forever relevant to my case came from Eternity. 😉
Originally posted by Mr Master
Now you showing us scans of Jean conversing with the most treacherous entity across the cosmos, and I'm supposed to take it's word. Everything here could be lies to for-fill Death's nightmarish desires, look what happened to Korvac. But really all these scans are doing is telling us that humans will evolve to be cosmic in THIS universe that they're talking about.
Oh please. Where has Death been shown to be a liar? Regardless her comments were supported by Eternity and many other sources in different titles which also give Phoenix the same role.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Ouch....this is a real "what have I done moment"...
This Scan actually puts to rest the whole Mkraan Crystal event issue,
once thought to be the greatest feat for ol' GS in Marvel, LOL...but in fact...it was just a Universe that Phoenix saved. Here's the close up: from your own scan:
Nope. Instead this is "I should really read more comics before i start running my mouth moment" ✅
The M'kraan crystal was promoted to multiversal status over a decade ago. There was a retcon and it became the nexus of all realities, therefore making Phoenixes feat even more impressive as a side effect.
For more info have a lil perusal of the crystals bio over at old Marvunapp, the site of the handbook makers. 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
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As stated on panel the replacement of the fundamental forces and Phoenixes role in this process is something which happens every creation cycle. It’s the natural order and it’s something the abstracts understand, accept and therefore encourage. Eternity for example has the Celestials seed genetic potential in emerging races in an effort to help bring about the end. The Phoenix jumpstarts this process and ultimately brings about the end of creation which in itself is a new beginning.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Again not saying anything special.
Phoenix still can't destroy or remake a Multi-verse AND Phoenix still can't even create a Universe from scratch. These scans continue to drill me with the Fact that Phoenix at best, can destroy A Universe and Remake A Universe...nothing more.
Phoenix can and has made universes as it manifests as the Big Bang and as for the multiversal bit well although im quite certain she could given the whole universe in the palm of her hand thing, the containing of a multiversal power, the multiversal energy matrix feat and the fact that mutants such as Wanda and Jaspers tamperings can result in such destruction i'll just keep quiet for now as all your delusions regarding both Wanda and the Ultimate Nullifier have been laid to rest. 😱
Originally posted by Mr Master
Ok.. I was wondering when you were going to start lying.
You been off and just wrong about most of your points, and now.. the lies begin.No where in those scans does it say anywhere that, AHAHAHAHAHA, Phoenix is the only legitimate threat to existence, still LOL!
The only thing that's trivial here is Phoenix being able to destroy and remake A Single Universe, more than a few can do that.
Lying? Not my style. 😉
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Death visualizes various cosmic threats including the IG and talks down there threat level only to proclaim Phoenix as the one they most feared and an actual legitimate threat to reality 😉
Originally posted by Mr Master
from your own scans:
The forces of the "Universe", Not Multiverse! A single Universe.
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To usurp the forces of the "Universe" again ONE Universe.
She sees the expanding Universe(One Universe)mankind's role as the Universe's destroyer and savior, yes you know it...just one Universe.
There is one Phoenix Consciousness that resides in the White Hot Room. There are however many manifestations of this Consciousness at a universal level. Each universe has a Phoenix Force but ultimately they are all parts of the greater Phoenix Consciousness referred to in New X-men. Its kind of like the Multi-Eternity or LTs M-bodies.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Gibberish.. Supreme Power...you wish.
No where on those scan does it say anyone would be the Supreme Being because of Phoenix.
Amazing how you just MADE that up. HAHAHAHA!Not to mention that never even happened, that's what SUPPOSEDLY would happen if...what a deceiving little picture, when this Phoenix can't even create a Universe let alone pass on dominion over "All that is", LOL... this is comedy...
Eternity’s visualization which he provides after convening with the other fundamental forces depicts what would happen if the Strangers plans were allowed to occur. While Strangers plans never happened it was made quite clear that that they consider the Phoenix power to be capable of giving someone dominion over reality and themselves. Plus on top of that Eternity also stated that the actual replacement process and Phoenixes part in it is something which occurs every creation cycle.
Phoenixes role with regards to the creation cycle has been stated time and time again by various sources in multiple titles.
Originally posted by Mr Master
From all your scans(including these two last ones)all I saw was Phoenix being a Universal threat...no more..and if this story were true, it's only ONE Universe they are talking about...A Single Universe that Phoenix begins and ends...she has nothing to do with the rest of Multi-verse.
The Phoenix Consciousness of the White Hot Room has many universal manifestations which are embodied by avatars. Jean Grey as the White Crown Phoenix is the top avatar. The Consciousness has duties which are multiversal in range and as such it manifests into the various realities of the multiverse via said avatars to perform its "Phoenix Work"
Originally posted by Mr Master
I proved that Big Bangs occurred through the Infinity Being and THAT truly created "ALL that is"
Reed harnessing Big Bangs from Universes where it hasn't even happened yet.
Even the Mkraan Crystal event, when Phoenix repaired it, that was just a Universal feat.
Nope. 😉 All youve proved is an inability to keep up with current continuity and a major problem with understanding just what the hells going on in comics. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
Spawned abstracts? ------ In her Single Universe maybe.
Dude...you don't really know what a supreme being is do you.
Your own scans showed you that Phoenix can only destroy and repair a Universe!Here are some REAL Supreme figures:
Cosmic Cubes make you GOD/Supreme
Thanos w/THOU was considered Supreme
Eternity(single universe)is Supreme of each of his realities
Infinity Gauntlet makes you Supreme
Actually bump that...Infinity Gauntlet makes you God
Yep...Infinity Gauntlet makes you God for sure
Infinity Gauntlet wielder is considered God by everyone
Let's push the bar way up now...IG Thanos said he was Supreme over All Universes
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Phoenix Consciousness of the White Hot Room has many universal manifestations which are embodied by avatars. Jean Grey as the White Crown Phoenix is the top avatar. The Consciousness has duties which are multiversal in range and as such it manifests into the various realities of the multiverse via said avatars to perform its ¡§Phoenix Work¡¨Nope. 😉 All you¡¦ve proved is an inability to keep up with current continuity and a major problem with understanding just what the hells going on in comics. ƒº
Cosmic cubes give you planetary scale control over reality. Cube beings are considered ¡§minor omnipotents¡¨
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Thanos considered himself supreme and equated himself to God with the HOTU and funnily enough thought the same thing with the Cosmic Cube and the IG. Mere speculation, unsupported character claims and boasts are irrelevant. How HOTU stacks up to the Phoenix Force is unknown. Phoenix does however have the better feats so that¡¦s good enough for now 😉
The IG taps into the energy of the Big Bang ( 😖hifty: ) and gives a user mastery over all the aspects of reality from within reality. Phoenix can casually re-structure a reality in the palm of her hand, you know the type the IG gives you mastery of. 😂
I like how despite the IG being a universal level power and users having performed only universal feats you¡¦re quite willing to accept Thanos boasts that he could be the master of all realities. Yet Phoenix to whom any single reality is insignificant and can hold them and restructure their totality in the palm of her hand you¡¦re having a hard time dealing with. That just doesn¡¦t stand to reason. I hope you¡¦re not getting too personally involved mate ƒ¼
Originally posted by Mr Master
Where does it say that Phoenix created the Multi-versal abstract Death please?
Don't come in here making statements demeaning other character's feats, when you can't even prove what you demeaning it with.And now we know for sure just how limited Phoenix's power is, You and I both proved that well. pre-retcon Beyonder would have been a God to Phoenix.
Death is a conceptual being that came into existence after a universe is spawned. Universes are spawned by Big Bangs. Big Bangs are manifestations of the Phoenix Consciousness. Simple as.
In multiple realities a Phoenix manifestation has been claimed to be the life force of said reality or to be the spark that spawned said reality. So you are very, very wrong. Check out the X-men the End reality:
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Or the reality featured in X-men Adventures:
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And even the Ultimate X-men reality:
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Originally posted by Mr Master
AHAHAHAAHA!!!
What has Phoenix done dude?
Remake 616 Universe? Repair the Mkraan Crystal which was only A Universal threat...wooh...big time. Oh..she's the big bang for HER universe, and her Universe alone.
Phoenix is the power behind creation. It is the Big Bang which brings realities into existence. The Phoenix has a variety of multiversal feats to her name and is a multiversal force which has many manifestations across the multiverse at a universal level. Know your stuff boy. 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cosmic cubes give you planetary scale control over reality. Cube beings are considered ¡§minor omnipotents¡¨http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/8809194328.jpg&s=x11
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Thanos considered himself supreme and equated himself to God with the HOTU and funnily enough thought the same thing with the Cosmic Cube and the IG. Mere speculation, unsupported character claims and boasts are irrelevant. How HOTU stacks up to the Phoenix Force is unknown. Phoenix does however have the better feats so that¡¦s good enough for now 😉
The IG taps into the energy of the Big Bang ( 😖hifty: ) and gives a user mastery over all the aspects of reality from within reality. Phoenix can casually re-structure a reality in the palm of her hand, you know the type the IG gives you mastery of. 😂
I like how despite the IG being a universal level power and users having performed only universal feats you¡¦re quite willing to accept Thanos boasts that he could be the master of all realities. Yet Phoenix to whom any single reality is insignificant and can hold them and restructure their totality in the palm of her hand you¡¦re having a hard time dealing with. That just doesn¡¦t stand to reason. I hope you¡¦re not getting too personally involved mate ƒ¼
Originally posted by Mr Master
Reed wasn't even sure what he was talking about.
In Any case...Not according to the issue of his origin...Eternity made Galactus
Again a case of you spouting utter sewage because of your inability to keep up to date with current continuity. Phoenix is the energy of creation, the power that made Galens transformation into Galactus possible. Phoenix saved the previous universe from eternal damnation, allowing Galen to bond with the dying Eternity in the cosmic egg. Heres Galactus last bio from last year:
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Originally posted by Mr Master
And Eternity made the Celestials too apparently:
Eternity created Celestials through meditation
Never claimed Phoenix was responsible for making the Celestials. Ive always said the abstracts and Galactus. So the aboves a bit of a waste of time to be honest ƒ¼
Originally posted by Mr Master
I definitely agree that the Phoenix Force is the beginning and the end...but of ONE Universe only, every scan continues to express a Universal scale at best.
Here the highlight of your scan: Not one has mentioned anything, more...than A Single Universe
This scan says "the end of all that is", but I showed you many times up top that Eternity, the Single Universe NOT the Multi-verse, is always referred to as eternal, forever, "all that is."
So you agree that the Phoenix is the Big Bang that spawned 616 and yet youre trying to place the IG over Phoenix when it taps into the Big Bangs power? Hmmm 😕
Regardless as ive shown you there are multiple realities where the Phoenix has been stated to be the Big Bang which brings about realities and as New X-men showed there is one central Phoenix Consciousness.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I think it's time for a history lesson.
What is truly ALL THAT IS...or in other words, the Multi-verse?Eternity(the single universe)controls all reality is his individual Universe but he's nothing compared to the whole, he's JUST an Aspect of Multi-Eternity the True Eternity, the Multi-verse!
Lord Chaos & Master Order are run by the Eternity & Infinity of every Universe.
The audacity!! You teach me something? Youre having a laugh mate 😂
Originally posted by Mr Master
This.... is.... the Multi-verse.... Embodied-.....Eternity(A Single Universe)means nothing to them.Now you see the difference between Eternity, which is A Single Universe that the Phoenix Force can destroy and Multi-Eternity which Warlock after having been "God" twice, and spanning through the Cosmic Vortex was awestruck when he experienced such magnificence.
Ive already dismissed your delusions pertaining to a single universal Phoenix Force. So all of this as ever is irrelevant. It really would help if you read up on the subjects youre trying to debate prior to opening your mouth.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Again a case of you spouting utter sewage because of your inability to keep up to date with current continuity. Phoenix is the energy of creation, the power that made Galens transformation into Galactus possible. Phoenix saved the previous universe from eternal damnation, allowing Galen to bond with the dying Eternity in the cosmic egg. Heres Galactus last bio from last year:http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=5/12211424824.jpg&s=x402
Never claimed Phoenix was responsible for making the Celestials. Ive always said the abstracts and Galactus. So the aboves a bit of a waste of time to be honest ƒ¼
