Phoenix Force vs a Multiversal Power......Phoenix get's Crushed!

for a being so powerful, why would she get beat by thee x men? the shiar, and if she created the whole multiverse, that would also mean she created the m' kraan crystal. hmmm, this doesnt look good for pheonix.

Mr. Master won this one.

GalacticStorm my only dissapointments have been these:

1) You clearly LIED about an Infinity Gauntlet retcon when we argued about it in the ALE vs IG thread.

2) You NEVER displayed PROOF that the Pheonix Force is multiversal, when you always claim it is. Not ONCE.

❌ My Faith in you has diminished my freind.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
GalacticStorm my only dissapointments have been these:

1) You clearly [b]LIED about an Infinity Gauntlet retcon when we argued about it in the ALE vs IG thread.

2) You NEVER displayed PROOF that the Pheonix Force is multiversal, when you always claim it is. Not ONCE.

❌ My Faith in you has diminished my freind. [/B]

Wolverine wins. jockey

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

2) You [b]NEVER displayed PROOF that the Pheonix Force is multiversal, when you always claim it is. Not ONCE.

❌ My Faith in you has diminished my freind. [/B]

Don't worry I'll restore you faith. Let's begin shall we?

Who is the PF?

The Phoenix Force is a universal entity that's plays a part in the cycle as much as Enternity, Infinity, the Celestials, and other abstracts. Mankind is part of this cycle and plays a vital role in it through evolution. Eventually mankind is the key. NOT THE PHOENIX FORCE.

Prosh, Jean, Marko, Mystique, Toad, and Iceman travel back in time to explore their pasts. Jean takes a look at Xavier's file. *NOTE it refers to mutant evolution, especially Bobby and Jean's potential*

According to Prosh mankind replaces the abstracts and NOT the Phoenix: "Your fragile species (mankind) will replace them and remake the very structure of reality."

But Prosh is wrong about the abstracts "not allowing that to happen." (This will be proven later)

Notice that Prosh wants to act now "to protect your species from their wrath." Again humanity is the key - not the Phoenix Force.

Prosh delving into each of the roles in mankinds place in the grand scheme:
- Phoenix the only one to experience "the fundemental forces on their level"
- Bobby is the untapped potential of "mutant evolution"
- Mystique "embodies fear of humans for mutants" (meaning man's own fear of evolution the key to man replacing the abstracts)

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
According to Prosh mankind replaces the abstracts and NOT the Phoenix: "Your fragile species (mankind) will replace them and remake the very structure of reality."

But Prosh is wrong about the abstracts "not allowing that to happen." (This will be proven later)

Notice that Prosh wants to act now "to protect your species from their wrath." Again humanity is the key - not the Phoenix Force.

Prosh delving into each of the roles in mankinds place in the grand scheme:
- Phoenix the only one to experience "the fundemental forces on their level"
- Bobby is the untapped potential of "mutant evolution"
- Mystique "embodies fear of humans for mutants" (meaning man's own fear of evolution the key to man replacing the abstracts)

Well, well it looks like Jean chose the Phoenix Force because it wanted "what all cosmic entities want - to attain an intergral role in the unraveling and weaving of the UNIVERSAL tapestry." Notice that Death is taking about the universe and not the multiverse. What...what about the PF? I thought Galacticstorm says PF is the creator of the MU. Why is Prosh talking about humanity instead?

Death too confirms the unlimited potential of mankind to evolve and eventually replace the abstracts. And choosing the Phoenix is PAVING THE ROAD for an advancement in the human species. By Jean choosing the Phoenix it merely paves a road to advancement.

Even Prosh says as much. Phoenix merely shows a human how to weave the fabric of the UNIVERSE and by that he means evolution. He also remarks that the abstracts REMAIN CONSTANT through any big bang. Which means the Phoenix Force DOES NOT create them after every big bang.

What's this? Humankind will evolve and replace the abstracts? According to this, the abstracts will destroy all life to prevent this from happening.

But if evolution happens, the universe still comes to an end? How could this be? Lol (wait and you'll see)

The Infinties live outside the multiverse they will crush you silly multiversal cosmics. 😆

Originally posted by Takion
So..uh....She is not multi-versal right?

You'll see. From G.S. narrations, it makes it sound like the Phoenix Force was responsible. PF is as much a part of the process as other abstracts. Just wait, you'll see. Hope you enjoy the entire story.

ok why would they pic earth people to becum abstracts. really there are billions upon billions of races an planets. and how would any one replace lt?

Originally posted by bigbran
ok why would they pic earth people to becum abstracts. really there are billions upon billions of races an planets. and how would any one replace lt?

That's what the Stranger says as well. Just wait.

The hand of one Infinties was as big as eternity. Wowserz on the uberness.

What's this? Even the Stranger confirms humanity's importance in the universe. He goes as far as saying "beter species are far more deserving." Last I checked the Phoenix Force is not a species (unless the Stranger is refering to a bunch of flaming tucans flying about the MU that's never been seen before).

YET AGAIN, it's humanity that the dust (swept upon a solar breeze) refusing to ackowledge they are the hurricane. And what is Jean Grey? LOL Grey is merely the "Touch stone" where as Bobby is the "potentiality." LOL Where does it say the Phoenix Force? By touching the PF, Jean merely became a standard, a basis, a reference point: a touchstone. Bobby is the "potentially" of that evolution by man to abstract hood. Each of them are merely representatives (or vanguards) of the change (acclimation) of the planet's genetic enhancement.

Stranger's plan is to control human evolution by "nuturing your seed (humanity yet again)" in the same manner they seek to prune the brush (abstracts destroying all life). *Note that Stranger is wrong aswell about the abstracts fearing human evolution*

Stranger confirms the Phoenix Force as merely part of the cycle of the universe, "the ressurection force is both a beginning and an end. Life beggets death begets life." So what does this mean?

The Phoenix Force shows Jean what mankind will EVENTUALLY become...Eternity...after MILLIONS of YEARS of exponential increases in EVOLUTIONARY GROWTH. And again narration refers "mankind's role as the universe's EVENTUAL destroyer and savior." LOL. Man destroys and saves the universe not the PF.

Stranger explains that his plan is to control the evolution of man which will inevitably mean result in controling Eternity. PF has nothing to do with his plans.

Stranger doesn't even know "how one species can evolve into Eternity...but he accepts it." Eternity intervenes and speaks only to Jean (Strange doesn't know). He and the other abstracts "convened to clarify OUR POSITION to you." LOL. So what do they think of human evolution? What's PF role? Well..let's see.

"The UNIVERSE...pertuates between order and chaos, life and death"
The Ressuraction Force (PF) is the "ASSURANCE of life FROM DEATH...a beginning from the ASHES OF THE OLD." Eternity has just clarified the whole thing. She merely ensures that mankind survives the ending of the old universe and takes their place in the new universe as the new abstracts.

What about other beings?

The Celestials themselves "seeded all creation with the POTENTIAL to instigate the end" and "Earth is their fruition of their work. THE HUMAN RACE." According to Eternity, the Celestials created mankind. PF had nothing to do with it.

Just like Galactus was the sole survivor before the big bang, so shall HUMANITY (LOL) one day will...beging the end. End the beginning.

And The Stranger's plan? Start humanity's evolution to start end existence according to his own schedule. Then become the new universe's sole survivor. When "Oblivion will embrace all. Creation will renew itself (speaking about the Ressurection Force's role)..."And there in lies the Stanger's conceit" "He plans to spark HUMAN EVOLUTION into a raging inferno that will consume the cosmos." *Note: This is supposedly what happens. And no, the Living Tribunal is NOT a universal force but this art makes it seem like LT is part of a cycle of the universe.

So what does this all mean?
- There is a cycle for the universe
- The abstracts are aware and accept this cycle
- Stranger was wrong in believing they didn't accept this
- And to "start the process all over again," the abstracts "created the HUMAN RACE" - Eternity and the other abstracts created mankind, NOT Phoenix Force

And what does Jean have to say? LOL
"So you (Eternity) want us (mankind yet again) to become greater than the abstract entities - just not on the STRANGER'S TIMETABLE, right?"

And something about permission?
"So this was a cosmic version of saying, you have our (Abstracts) PERMISSION to go kick his (Stranger) butt in!"

To sum this all up

The Phoenix Force is part of the universe, no more important than any others of the universe. The Celestials serve the abstracts by seeding creation with the potential to evolve into the abstracts, in fact they were respond for humanity. Humanity is the KEY (NOT the PF) to the ending of the universe and it's beginning. PF merely ensures that they survive (Galan for instance) to become the new abstracts (Galactus).

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
The Phoenix Force shows Jean what mankind will EVENTUALLY become...Eternity...after MILLIONS of YEARS of exponential increases in EVOLUTIONARY GROWTH. And again narration refers "mankind's role as the universe's EVENTUAL destroyer and savior." LOL. Man destroys and saves the universe not the PF.

Just checked in from my cousins house and read this...and the rest...

ALL of it.

I agree with everything.

This guy is right yall...peace.

Mr. Master won. 😄

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
And The Stranger's plan? Start humanity's evolution to start end existence according to his own schedule. Then become the new universe's sole survivor. When "Oblivion will embrace all. Creation will renew itself (speaking about the Ressurection Force's role)..."And there in lies the Stanger's conceit" "He plans to spark HUMAN EVOLUTION into a raging inferno that will consume the cosmos." *Note: This is supposedly what happens. And no, the Living Tribunal is NOT a universal force but this art makes it seem like LT is part of a cycle of the universe.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Just checked in from my cousins house and read this...and the rest...

ALL of it.

I agree with everything.

This guy is right yall...peace.

Thanks man.