Why do you need Jesus Christ to be saved and go to Heaven?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Speaking IS........Why hasn't Jesus shown himself like the god in the OT??......why would an almighty keep changing his view from the OT to the NT thought Jesus..............It is contradictory, though some think of him as THE GOD.........Why..........commit needless murders of infants and those that were not involved live stock?? Did the babies do something wrong (remember age of accountability)........the live stock.........are only that will no will.

All very good questions I have wanted to know the answer of. Seems God is changeable as the wind - speaking from a psychological viewpoint almost schizophrenic really. Almost like Azathoth from the Cthulhu mythos.

[QUOTE=6921555]Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
[B]You do realise that in the time it took you to write that sermon about how my soul is doomed you could have said "

Show me where I wrote that your soul was doomed. I do not appreciate being misquoted (i.e., lied on).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[QUOTE=6921555]Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
[B]You do realise that in the time it took you to write that sermon about how my soul is doomed you could have said "

Show me where I wrote that your soul was doomed. I do not appreciate being misquoted (i.e., lied on).

You are having a problem with getting your quotes to work.

no pray, no jesus no pray no just

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[QUOTE=6921555]Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
[B]You do realise that in the time it took you to write that sermon about how my soul is doomed you could have said "

Show me where I wrote that your soul was doomed. I do not appreciate being misquoted (i.e., lied on).

No - you didn't directly say "Imperial_Samura your soul is doomed" - what you did was implied I was spiritually dead, and that being so one is doomed to hell, as one is not saved. From this thread:

I will continue to teach and preach to the rest of the world so that they don't suffer your fate.

Yes, you most certainly aren't implying something bad will happen to me if I don't believe you. Although the way you have worded it makes it sound like I am already a lost cause, and since in your world lost causes are doomed... but I forgot, you aren't implying that, are you?

If you choose not believe then that is YOUR CHOICE but you will have to live with the consequences of your decision for eternity (that is a long time).

Yes, nothing there either that suggests my soul is doomed if I don't swallow what you are saying without asking questions.

If I suddenly chose not to believe God, His Son, The Holy Spirit, the Bible, etc., then I will have to suffer the consequences of my disbelief for eternity as well.

Yes, so we see that even a faithful believer who has fallen from faith will suffer for eternity. As will a nonbeliever. But you aren't saying a soul is doomed if that happens, are you?

The consequences of your actions will be upon your own heads.

So. Once again I guess you would say you aren't implying there that my (and others) souls are in danger because we aren't just accepting what you say. Right?

Because what I seemed to be getting was "go on, don't believe, but if you don't believe you're doomed for eternity."

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
No - you didn't directly say "Imperial_Samura your soul is doomed" - what you did was implied I was spiritually dead, and that being so one is doomed to hell, as one is not saved. From this thread:

Yes, you most certainly aren't implying something bad will happen to me if I don't believe you. Although the way you have worded it makes it sound like I am already a lost cause, and since in your world lost causes are doomed... but I forgot, you aren't implying that, are you?

Yes, nothing there either that suggests my soul is doomed if I don't swallow what you are saying without asking questions.

Yes, so we see that even a faithful believer who has fallen from faith will suffer for eternity. As will a nonbeliever. But you aren't saying a soul is doomed if that happens, are you?

So. Once again I guess you would say you aren't implying there that my (and others) souls are in danger because we aren't just accepting what you say. Right?

Because what I seemed to be getting was "go on, don't believe, but if you don't believe you're doomed for eternity."

Like I SAID, show me where I SAID that YOUR SOUL WAS DOOMED because as long as you are still breathing, there is still hope. You can make a right choice before you kick the bucket. Yeah, I may have IMPLIED that you were on your way to the place where the heaters are turned up high but that is NOT the same as saying YOUR SOUL IS DOOMED IMPERIAL_SAMURA

Can you see the difference?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Like I SAID, show me where I SAID that YOUR SOUL WAS DOOMED because as long as you are still breathing, there is still hope. You can make a right choice before you kick the bucket. Yeah, I may have IMPLIED that you were on your way to the place where the heaters are turned up high but that is NOT the same as saying YOUR SOUL IS DOOMED IMPERIAL_SAMURA

Can you see the difference?

So, I can be an evil person all my life, I can kill hundreds, thousands of people in the most hideous way, and at the end of my life I can accept Jesus as my savior and die and go to heaven and stand on the right side of God. All the people who I killed cannot complain to God for me being there. How stupid can a religion be?

Repentance is a beautiful thing shaky, but more beautiful is forgiveness. God is rich in mercy and offers hope to EVERYONE at any point in their life. However, true repentance (you need to regret what you did and realize that only be the blood of Jesus can you be set free) is needed, for God does not value lip service as much as the heart. Heaven is intended for those who KNOW God personally as shown in Matthew 7:23. The important part of what you said is "Savior". Jesus is the Savior and takes way our sins by his blood. Repentance takes away our sins and leaves clean. If the murderer truly repents he is made clean and justified by the blood of Jesus.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Repentance is a beautiful thing shaky, but more beautiful is forgiveness. God is rich in mercy and offers hope to EVERYONE at any point in their life. However, true repentance (you need to regret what you did and realize that only be the blood of Jesus can you be set free) is needed, for God does not value lip service as much as the heart. Heaven is intended for those who KNOW God personally as shown in Matthew 7:23. The important part of what you said is "Savior". Jesus is the Savior and takes way our sins by his blood. Repentance takes away our sins and leaves clean. If the murderer truly repents he is made clean and justified by the blood of Jesus.

You weep what you sow.

Sometimes, but people can change. God rewards people for who they ARE not what they USED TO BE.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Sometimes, but people can change. God rewards people for who they ARE not what they USED TO BE.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You cannot enter heaven by works.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Exactly. Therefore, someone you has performed many bad deeds can still come to heaven because works do not justify us, but the blood of Jesus does. Anyone can come to heaven through repentance by the only way... Jesus. You confirm everything I have been saying.

Who do you rationalize the contradictions of "you weep what you sow" and "you cannot get into heaven with works". You can only have one or the other.

I don't believe you can murder someone and get into heaven, at least not what I would consider heaven.

You must repent prior to fully accepting Christ. Part of repentance includes attempting reparation. There is nothing a person can do to say they are sorry for killing another. I do not believe that repentance can fully occur for the act of murder. I believe that murder, not to be confused with actions during war or in defense, is a sin that cannot be totally wiped away.

Well explained but I think the "HELL" thing needs to be better explained,there is no hell or lake of fire, only Death.
The word hell was incorrectly translated from Sheol ( (שאו&#1500😉 is the Hebrew language word denoting the "abode of the dead"; the "underworld", "the common grave of mankind" or "pit"😉 and Hades ( greek =unseen) into hell, thus giving the church more power to scare people into joining. After all would a loving God create a place of eternal suffering.

Those who choose not to ask for forgivness or in thier heart have no remorse for thier sins will remain dead. Whereas the others who do will be resurected to everlasting life.
Because Jesus gave himself as the sacrificial lamb for all mankind, you don´t have to be a christian as ONLY God will judge.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

If a person (physically) dies in their sins, without first having their sins forgiven, remitted, or washed by the blood of Jesus, they will be separated from the glorious life and presence of God temporarily in a place called Hades (Hell). Then when they are judged by God according to their (sinful) works they will be cast into THE LAKE OF FIRE permanently. John 8:21, 24; Matthew 10:28, 23:33, 25:31-33, 41, 46; Mark 9:43-48; Luke 12:5; Revelation 20:11-15

JIA is right when he says there is a lake of fire after Judgement Day, this quotations prove that the Bible supports this standpoint.
And as for Regret, you should are denying the truths contained in the Bible. No sin other than blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.
"As far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us." Psalms 103:12

Originally posted by Nellinator
And as for Regret, you should are denying the truths contained in the Bible. No sin other than blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.
"As far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us." Psalms 103:12

I did not say it was unforgivable. I said that I did not believe that man is fully capable of doing his part of the repentance process for the act of murder.

I guess this is true. But man's forgiveness is not what is required, rather the forgiveness of God which has been given if you repent. The blood of Jesus makes you clean of your sins before God and that is what is important when entering heaven.

Originally posted by Nellinator
I guess this is true. But man's forgiveness is not what is required, rather the forgiveness of God which has been given if you repent. The blood of Jesus makes you clean of your sins before God and that is what is important when entering heaven.

I was speaking of God's forgiveness. A man must repent to gain God's forgiveness. I do not believe a man can complete the repentance process, given this, can he gain God's forgiveness?

He can complete it. "God forgive for I have sinned against you by murdering one whom you love. I accept the blood of Jesus and allow him to free me from my sins. I now that I am forgiven and I ask for you to strengthen my Spirit that I may no sin again. I ask these things in the name Jesus, your Son, through whom all things are possible. Amen." That is all that is needed.

"Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, 'I will confess my transgressions to the Lord' - and you forgave the guilt of my sin." Psalms 32:5

When we are forgiven we cannot let the past hold so back. We must allow ourselves to free of guilt while humbling ourselves and admitting our imperfection. Jesus died on the cross that we may be forgiven, but rose so that we may have victory.

"Through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of Life set me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 8:2. Once we are forgiven we must set our sites on God and live a holy life that is pleasing to him. It is by grace that we are saved even while we were dead in our transgressions according to Ephesians 2:5 and we have been made alive in Christ (that is saved and RESTORED to God after falling into to sin).