Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Are you stupid lightsnake, did Rex and Escape tell you I am not "tdtd"? You can argue with facts but it just makes the argument more entertaining.
Please just ignore the Tdtd thing, because though you may not be the same person - the similarities are nearly stunning. You had me and several others fooled.
Respond to my other post, please.
Originally posted by Escape81
I agree that Nihilius may have drained the Force on a scale superior than Palpatine. But Nihilius was a thousand years (I think) after Ragnos's time.That doesn't mean that [B]Ragnos
has that ability.He used a Force Storm?
But, anyways that's my point. Just because your "ancient" doesn't mean you're better than all of your descendants.
That a comic or a sourcebook? Our local Barnes & Nobel never has any source books of any variety. 😖 [/B]
You're right it doesn't mean Ragnos has that ability but the fact that the technique is an ancient sith and Ragnos was the greatest of the ancient sith would logically deduce that he COULD have possessed it. Did he ever need to use it? No. He pitted his rivals against one another, he didn't need to do too much. In terms of Raw power and force abilities I do put the ancient sith above everybody, because their powers were replicated long after they were dead, and those powers made the sith nearly superhuman. They are obviously NOT the greatest like Palatine. And I guess you can consider it a Sourcebook.
Okay, but you still miss the point.
Nihilius's uber-draining and Sidious's uber-Storms aren't necessarily powers possessed by Ragnos, or Sadow. We've already confirmed that Sadow required his technological toys to do anything on par with people like Sidious and Kun.
Another thing. Bane could be considered ancient when compared to Palpatine. (I still don't recall Bane using a Force Storm). But let's say that he did. You yourself said that Bane's Force Storm "wasn't as powerful".
Thus meaning that older (Ancient) doesn't necessarily translate to Force superiority.
And, another thing, these powers could have been augmented with the passage of time.
How did you confirm that Sadow required toys? Kun also required the same toys, unless you are forgetting Sadow's amulet. It is not confirmed that the ancient sith needed those toys, it is assumed. Just like I assume that the toys were not necessary at ALL, but to augment the natural abilities that they had, like steroids, which certainly doesn't diminish their power. And when they mention ancient, it is before Kun's time. Kun was the last of the ancient Sith...
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
How did you confirm that Sadow required toys? Kun also required the same toys, unless you are forgetting Sadow's amulet. It is not confirmed that the ancient sith needed those toys, it is assumed. Just like I assume that the toys were not necessary at ALL, but to augment the natural abilities that they had, like steroids, which certainly doesn't diminish their power. And when they mention ancient, it is before Kun's time. Kun was the last of the ancient Sith...
...but to augment their natural abilities
...which certainly doesn't diminish their power
Okay, now those are two direct statements from you, and I want to make sure that you read this.
Steroids are taken by baseball players (lol) and weightlifters to help compensate for time and to augment (make greater) their current muscle-mass, as well as to make one stronger (which they are used for in medicinal purposes).
When you augment something, you make it greater. So when it augments their natural abilities, which you say it does, it does make a difference.
Without this augmentation, they wouldn't be able to do it, otherwise there would be no need for the ships or the amulets themselves.
Understand?
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
And I can counter that saying without the amulet they would be on par with the most powerful, and they augment their stuff to be MORE powerful. And it also speaks volumes for them because they had the ABILITY to augment themselves.
You don't understand, man.
My point (which you have inadvertantly confirmed) is that they required their technology to do what they did. Meaning Kun could not blast through walls himself. Sadow couldn't make two stars go supernova himself.
He had to build something that would augment his powers.
Meaning that they couldn't replicate those things in a fight against Sidious or Ragnos without those items.
Ok give me an example then? You say Sidious can't blow a star up, yet you see him clench his fist and the star goes kaboom, there's your proof. They do not NEED these items, like I said. It is very likely that they would rather CHANNEL their force abilities through items they can pass down through generations, or during the age of sith alchemy it is what they used. You make it seem like it is a negative thing. You're right maybe it did Augment their abilities, or maybe they just channeled their abilities through items, which is just as logical.