Originally posted by The Overmaster
quick question about revan's tactical abilities. Werent the books about Thrawn made before Kotor 1?If thats true then Revan technically didnt exist before that time.
If this has been answered be4 then im sorry.
Yes, good point indeed...
Just kidding. 😛
The Thrawn Trilogy did come out like...a long while (book 1991-1993, comics 1995-1997) however nothing in KOTOR contradicts Thrawn being the best tactician in the history of SW. Seeing as there's not a single statement by a narrator that Revan is the best tactician ever.
Release dates (or character creation for that matter) mean absolutely zilch unless there's a contradiction between certain pieces of work. In which this is not the case with Thrawn and Revan. Also I'm not even sure which book exactly it's stated in - it's either Heir to the Empire or Survivor's Quest, which was released in 2004. Either way, doesn't matter - Thrawn > Revan.
revan and malak would win. if malak is on level with dooku and dooku took down obi won twice then obi-won looses to malakand revan okills anakin with the force so...
malak vs obi won= malak
malak vs. anakin=anakin
revan vs obi won=revan
revan vs. anakin= revan
so i'd say the odds are in the dark lords favor
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Except...Anakin punked Dooku in, a minute, maybe. I see the same thing happening to Malak, only, maybe faster because Malak is blatantly an idiot. No way Revan could beat Obi, the Soresu Master in less than that. Anakin and Obi Wan tag team and kill Revan.
Oh really? Anakin>Malak? Wow... Ok prove that? And Revan in no way can beat Obiwan? Revan is more than likely superior to the entire PT Jedi at least in saber combat, with the exception of possibly Yoda.. I would think Anakin and Malak stalemate if not Malak owning him, and Revan would kill Anakin along with Malak.. You can't use A>B>C in this argument.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Oh really? Anakin>Malak? Wow...
Yes, really. Anakin > Malak.
Ok prove that?
Firstly, it'd be up to you to prove that Malak > Anakin considering it's widely accepted here that Malak (without the Star Forge) is equal to Count Dooku, who Anakin dropped within a minute of engaging him in single combat. On top of that Malak is definitely a pure brute, he's - in all likliness - not as intelligent as Tyranus.
And Revan in no way can beat Obiwan?
That's not what he said, he said:
No way Revan could beat Obi, the Soresu Master in less than that.
Revan is more than likely superior to the entire PT Jedi at least in saber combat, with the exception of possibly Yoda..
Yes, you'd actually have to prove that. Do you even know what form he uses? Do you even know how he defeated Malak?
I would think Anakin and Malak stalemate if not Malak owning him,
How very logical. Malak owning "the strongest of his generation" (a stronger era in whole), or even stalemating him. You'd, of course, have to prove how Malak is superior to Dooku (as that's basically the standard acceptance).
and Revan would kill Anakin along with Malak.. You can't use A>B>C in this argument.
Yes, and you can't use gameplay and unknown circumstances either.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Oh really? Anakin>Malak? Wow... Ok prove that? And Revan in no way can beat Obiwan? Revan is more than likely superior to the entire PT Jedi at least in saber combat, with the exception of possibly Yoda.. I would think Anakin and Malak stalemate if not Malak owning him, and Revan would kill Anakin along with Malak.. You can't use A>B>C in this argument.
Anakin does this, and that is only with the force:
Makes two droids shoot each other.
http://www.swcomics.com/republic_c.php?i=5&f=52&name=Clone_Wars_-_The_New_Face_Of_War_Part_2_of_2
Shoots scraps of metal at Durge like bullets.
http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=20&f=29&name=Obsession_2_of_5
Tosses explosives at Durge.
http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=8&f=30&name=Obsession_3_of_5
Smacks Durge around with the force.
http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=14&f=30&name=Obsession_3_of_5
Guides a shuttle (of course, containing Durge, poor Durge ) into a star
http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=15&f=30&name=Obsession_3_of_5
The energy from him and Obi sparring lifts up debris. http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=5&f=31&name=Obsession_4_of_5
Helps rip through a metal wall in his Padawan days.
http://www.swcomics.com/republic_c.php?i=34&f=50&name=Clone_Wars_-_The_Defense_of_Kamino
http://www.swcomics.com/republic_c.php?i=35&f=50&name=Clone_Wars_-_The_Defense_of_Kamino
Throws some random crap around along with Asajj
http://www.swcomics.com/republic_c.php?i=19&f=71&name=Clone_Wars_-_Dreadnaughts_of_Rendili_Part_3_of_3
Ties up Asajj with the force using wires and crushes her.
http://www.swcomics.com/republic_c.php?i=20&f=71&name=Clone_Wars_-_Dreadnaughts_of_Rendili_Part_3_of_3
And he crushed a room full of medical supplies immediately after he got his suit and had any Sith training, so it's safe to assume that Anakin could do that too.
I'm sure there are more, but I think I've proved my point.
Compare that to specific examples of what either Revan or Malak have done. Specific. See that? Actual events, how difficult they are to do, and how they happened.
I'm so glad you have provided evidence relevant to a combat and not feat wars... Oh wait... Malak was the 2nd most powerful in the order of tens of thousands.. So what.. You haven't proven your point, you have listed irrelevant feat wars. Just because Anakin beat Dooku doesn't mean Anakin somehow is going to beat Malak. Possible but unlikely. And again it has been logically proven that Revan>Pt Jedi with the exception of Yoder.
Something vague? Notice how it is confirmed that Revan>all 3 of these combatants in the very least.. So the issue isn't even Revan here(which has been proven despite your apparent dislike for him). What IS logical is that Revan would beat Obiwan a hell of a lot quicker than Anakin would take Malak(assuming they don't stalemate). Your A>B>C argument doesn't work, otherwise Mace>Yoda because he defeated Sidious. So again, Revan defeats Obiwan, comes and helps Malak squash Anakin.
Uh what? Specifics of what? Unless you're going to argue here that Anakin>Revan or any others are >Revan, in which case refer to the Revan vs. Anakin thread.. And again, all you have are irrelevant feats and an A>B>C argument.. So let me one more time explain what is logcal..
Revan beats Obiwan before Anakin possibly beats Malak or stalemates, whatever. Revan comes and chops up Anakin with Malak.. OORRRRR
Malak defeats Obiwan with some difficulty while Revan has an epic duel with Anakin, and comes out on top, or waits for Malak.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I'm so glad you have provided evidence relevant to a combat and not feat wars...
You do realize that you've yet to provide any relevant, or rather any evidence at all, right?
Oh wait... Malak was the 2nd most powerful in the order of tens of thousands..
And you say what jolly posted wasn't relevant? Anakin was the most powerful in an Order that is a more powerful era.
So what.. You haven't proven your point, you have listed irrelevant feat wars. Just because Anakin beat Dooku doesn't mean Anakin somehow is going to beat Malak.
Sadly, since Malak is regarded as equal to Dooku (Dooku vs Malak), you'd have to prove that Malak is superior to Dooku.
Possible but unlikely. And again it has been logically proven that Revan>Pt Jedi with the exception of Yoder.
Lol. Care to show me where exactly? The only logic is that he beat Malak in circumstances unknown in an "epic" battle. "Epic" meaning it was likely to be close and a hard battle; not a landslide win for Revan.