cap vs spider-man

Originally posted by Soljer
Meh, I'll still discuss with you, Kurdy, but the latest judge is on my ignore list now, so if I don't respond to something he may point out, don't think that I'm just ignoring it or can't answer.

You don't see it like I do, and that's fine, but you have to take into consideration that CA, together with Batman and Wolverine, has a huge PIS aura surrounding him.

Originally posted by Unknown Debator
Soljer sucks at debating, i owns him when i goes serious... Humiliating??
He simply puts me on ignore, because nothing could save him and Caps ass out of this.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

You don't see it like I do, and that's fine, but you have to take into consideration that CA, together with Batman and Wolverine, has a huge PIS aura surrounding him.

That PIS aura is earned, not given, at least in Batman and Cap's case...not so sure about logan.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Fair enough, but I don't there's still a lot to debate. We both agree Spider-Man wins, but I'm convinced that a well written Spider-Man would wipe the floor with CA almost every day of the week.

You don't see it like I do, and that's fine, but you have to take into consideration that CA, together with Batman and Wolverine, has a huge PIS aura surrounding him.

I know that Cap has a jobber aura, just like Batman.

But that jobber aura comes into effect when he's facing down King Thor or standing up to Thanos. Not when he's taking on someone that he's seemed to be on par with in the past.

No, Captain America isn't as fast as Spidey, but he isn't moving in slow motion in comparison.

No, he's nowhere NEAR as strong as Spidey, but his damage output can be comparable due to skill.

And, finally, he's STUDIED Spidey. He knows how Pete moves. How he dodges, how he fights. He can anticipate Spidey, and does so beautifully, because, well...tactically? Cap is damn near unmatched.

But yes, I have no problem with you. Plenty of people see it the way you do...and...I don't. Not a big deal, just an 'agree to disagree.'

Originally posted by Soljer
As we've seen, time and time again, Captain America's skill advantage can close the gap between him and much stronger and/or faster opponents.

Also, keep in mind that Caps fighting ability and experience surpasses that of almost anyone in Marvel.

Fighting smarts and skill work for those such as the Caps, DDs, Bats and ANY other hero who are outclassed when fighting another opponent.

Originally posted by Soljer
I know that Cap has a jobber aura, just like Batman.

But that jobber aura comes into effect when he's facing down King Thor or standing up to Thanos. Not when he's taking on someone that he's seemed to be on par with in the past.

No, Captain America isn't as fast as Spidey, but he isn't moving in slow motion in comparison.

No, he's nowhere NEAR as strong as Spidey, but his damage output can be comparable due to skill.

And, finally, he's STUDIED Spidey. He knows how Pete moves. How he dodges, how he fights. He can anticipate Spidey, and does so beautifully, because, well...tactically? Cap is damn near unmatched.

But yes, I have no problem with you. Plenty of people see it the way you do...and...I don't. Not a big deal, just an 'agree to disagree.'

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Its generally accepted Batman and Cap are evenly skilled...

Yet, i dont see Soljer sided with Batmna and Nightwing against Kingpin and Bane in their thread😄 He only uses this shit when defending Cap. What a fanboy

I just want to keep it real. Cap is a normal human facing a super human in Spidey. That in itself should determine a victor, but let's get specific.

With all of Caps fighting skills, limited human speed and limited human strength, if he got lucky enough to hit Spidey, it should not hurt Spidey. Remember that Spidey has been hit by the likes of the Hulk and the Submariner and stayed conscious.

Spidey, as we all know, has super human reflexes. Fast, fast, fast. Mix in his spider sense which warns him of all danger coming his way, to include kicks, punches, bullets, knives, lasers, and Cap's shield. Spider sense and reflexes means Peter won't even get touched if he doesn't want to get touched. Cap would not lay a glove on him. For every lucky one punch Cap lays on Spidey, Spidey in return should land 5 punches.

I haven't even mentioned Spidey's super human strength. Imagine Cap getting bombarded with all those super human strong punches?

The numbers simply don't favor Cap because he is simply overmatched. Just like Batman, Daredevil and Nightwing would be overmatched. If Wolverine didn't turn into this unkillable character who looks like he could live forever, I think Spidey could take him.

If Peter was less of a clown, though I find him to be funny, and was more focused, there would not be too many villians or hereos he fought that could beat him. Spidey is a damn tough character who is underratted vs some people he fights.

You didn't bring up a damn thing that hasn't been countered eight times in this thread.

Cap ISN'T a normal human. He dodges just as many punches, knives, and bullets as Spiderman does. Cap's been hit by top tier bricks, too. He's managed to hit Spidey and people even faster than Spidey in the past. He's killed men in a single blow in the past. He's been able to knock people out with a single pressure point. Spidey's durable, but he's shown to be susceptible to pressure points as well.

Both characters going all out? It wouldn't take many blows from Spidey to lay out Cap. Likewise, it wouldn't take too many good shots from Cap to destroy Spidey. Only difference is, Spideys a bit faster, and Cap is infinitely more skilled.

Originally posted by Soljer
You didn't bring up a damn thing that hasn't been countered eight times in this thread.

Cap ISN'T a normal human. He dodges just as many punches, knives, and bullets as Spiderman does. Cap's been hit by top tier bricks, too. He's managed to hit Spidey and people even faster than Spidey in the past. He's killed men in a single blow in the past. He's been able to knock people out with a single pressure point. Spidey's durable, but he's shown to be susceptible to pressure points as well.

Both characters going all out? It wouldn't take many blows from Spidey to lay out Cap. Likewise, it wouldn't take too many good shots from Cap to destroy Spidey. Only difference is, Spideys a bit faster, and Cap is infinitely more skilled.

Generally I agree except you also forget that is also "infinitely" stronger and has that handy spider-sense that helps him dodge.

And I hope you weren't trying to compare the amount of punishment Spider-Man's and Cap's amount. No matter how "skillful" a punch thrown by Cap is it won't do anywhere NEAR the amount of damage as someone who can bench press a greyhound bus.

Originally posted by Soljer
You didn't bring up a damn thing that hasn't been countered eight times in this thread.

Cap ISN'T a normal human. He dodges just as many punches, knives, and bullets as Spiderman does. Cap's been hit by top tier bricks, too. He's managed to hit Spidey and people even faster than Spidey in the past. He's killed men in a single blow in the past. He's been able to knock people out with a single pressure point. Spidey's durable, but he's shown to be susceptible to pressure points as well.

Both characters going all out? It wouldn't take many blows from Spidey to lay out Cap. Likewise, it wouldn't take too many good shots from Cap to destroy Spidey. Only difference is, Spideys a bit faster, and Cap is infinitely more skilled.

You sounded mad. 😛

Cap is not a "normal human", but a human being nonetheless. He is fighting a super human being with ten times more speed, agility, strength, and a spider sense that won't allow him to get touched.

The comic writers, at times, do not portray Spidey as accurately as they should. He is a damn tough character with incredible powers, yet they show Spidey getting beat often by characters he should be owning.

Cap is a favorite of mine, but I am just keeping it real. We are talking a college football team vs an NFL team in Cap vs Spidey.

Caps extra skills is nice to have, but not when you can't lay a glove or a shield on an infinitely faster opponent and who can bench press buses.

Spidey wins.

Originally posted by xkalybr
You sounded mad. 😛

Cap is not a "normal human", but a human being nonetheless. He is fighting a super human being with ten times more speed, agility, strength, and a spider sense that won't allow him to get touched.

The comic writers, at times, do not portray Spidey as accurately as they should. He is a damn tough character with incredible powers, yet they show Spidey getting beat often by characters he should be owning.

Cap is a favorite of mine, but I am just keeping it real. We are talking a college football team vs an NFL team in Cap vs Spidey.

Caps extra skills is nice to have, but not when you can't lay a glove or a shield on an infinitely faster opponent and who can bench press buses.

Spidey wins.

Cap isn't as fast as spidey, but he is fast enough to keep up and dodge.
Cap isn't as strong as spidey, but he uses pressure point strikes to put down opponents stronger than him.

With that said Spidey wins, but it'll will be a tough fight.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Generally I agree except you also forget that is also "infinitely" stronger and has that handy spider-sense that helps him dodge.

And I hope you weren't trying to compare the amount of punishment Spider-Man's and Cap's amount. No matter how "skillful" a punch thrown by Cap is it won't do anywhere NEAR the amount of damage as someone who can bench press a greyhound bus.

Meh, I mentioned that Spidey is much stronger, but it won't matter because it won't take many hits from EITHER combatant to put the other down.

I'm not Alfheim - I'm not gonna go around saying that Cap can hit like a hundred tonner. Hell no.

What I AM saying, though, is that it wouldn't take too many nerve strikes to keep Spidey floored, and likewise, it wouldn't take too many twenty ton punches to keep Cap floored. Cap may not do the same damage, but a similar number of blows will have a similar result on either combatant.

That's what I meant.

Also; Spiderman isn't ten times as fast as Cap. He isn't infinitely faster. He likely isn't even TWICE as fast as Cap.

He's faster. But not by enough to make a gigantic difference.

EDIT: Also, let me reiterate for anyone who is confused; I'm not arguing that Cap takes the majority. Since my very first posts, I've maintained that Spiderman would take this match 7/10. I'm just putting those who think it's a curbstomp in their place, 😉.

Originally posted by Soljer
Meh, I mentioned that Spidey is much stronger, but it won't matter because it won't take many hits from EITHER combatant to put the other down.

I'm not Alfheim - I'm not gonna go around saying that Cap can hit like a hundred tonner. Hell no.

What I AM saying, though, is that it wouldn't take too many nerve strikes to keep Spidey floored, and likewise, it wouldn't take too many twenty ton punches to keep Cap floored. Cap may not do the same damage, but a similar number of blows will have a similar result on either combatant.

That's what I meant.

Also; Spiderman isn't ten times as fast as Cap. He isn't infinitely faster. He likely isn't even TWICE as fast as Cap.

He's faster. But not by enough to make a gigantic difference.

EDIT: Also, let me reiterate for anyone who is confused; I'm not arguing that Cap takes the majority. Since my very first posts, I've maintained that Spiderman would take this match 7/10. I'm just putting those who think it's a curbstomp in their place, 😉.

Never said that Spider-Man was "infintely" faster, he's definitely more than twice as fast but I digress.

Also I know that you still think Spider-Man wins, and I'm all for giving credit where credit is due but Spider-Man is stil getting the short end of the stick in your analysis imo.

You didn't say he was infinitely faster, but xkalybr did.

And there's no way Spidey is twice as fast as Cap. 😐.

At least, there is no evidence to say that he is.

Originally posted by marvelprince
he's definitely more than twice as fast but I digress.

Proof?

Originally posted by Soljer
You didn't say he was infinitely faster, but xkalybr did.

And there's no way Spidey is twice as fast as Cap. 😐.

At least, there is no evidence to say that he is.

Despite all the evidence to show that multiple times faster than normal humans 😕

Unless you have to proof to show that Cap is much faster than other humans, including those trained heroes like DD and IF then its safe to say that Spider-Man is much faster than he is. Hope you realise that this is a circular argument though. You say he's not much faster an say prove it, I say he's much faster and for you to disprove it. I'm not going to back down and I'm pretty sure you won't either so lets just agree to disagree.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Proof?

Look back a ways in the thread and you can see the speed feats for yourself. There's no definitive panel stating outright "Spider-Man is twice as fast as Cap", but looking at them separately (I have quite a few issues of both characters) and especially when they appear together for teamups Spider-Man is shown literally bouncing around him.

It really comes down to personal discretion though

Originally posted by marvelprince
Despite all the evidence to show that multiple times faster than normal humans 😕

Unless you have to proof to show that Cap is much faster than other humans, including those trained heroes like DD and IF then its safe to say that Spider-Man is much faster than he is. Hope you realise that this is a circular argument though. You say he's not much faster an say prove it, I say he's much faster and for you to disprove it. I'm not going to back down and I'm pretty sure you won't either so lets just agree to disagree.

Look back a ways in the thread and you can see the speed feats for yourself. There's no definitive panel stating outright "Spider-Man is twice as fast as Cap", but looking at them separately (I have quite a few issues of both characters) and especially when they appear together for teamups Spider-Man is shown literally bouncing around him.

It really comes down to personal discretion though

There's plenty of evidence that shows Cap as multiple times faster than normal humans too. Cap isn't a normal human. 😐.

He's also been depicted as faster than Iron Fist - and Iron Fist never had too much problem keeping up with Spiderman.

Nor did Daredevil, save a SINGLE occasion, whereas every OTHER time they've met, they managed with each other.

Anyways. The speed feats that were posted earlier in this thread - I was apart of.

I matched pretty much any Spidey speed feat with a Cap one. They're similar.

http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22915is.gif
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8447506

And? The Juggernaut Scan is nothing impressive.

The one from Civil War is moreso, but it's not as if any of those oppoents have enhanced reactions. 😬.