cap vs spider-man

QUOTE=7122698]Originally posted by Soljer
Alfheim...you are arguing a beaten, dead, horse.

Spidey can dodge lasers because he has shown the capability to. Hell, even Captain America has dodged laser after laser. In zero gravity. [/QUOTE]

Yeah I KNOW

Originally posted by Sparkz
No the fact is he moves before the lasor is fired so he dosn't need to move faster than the lasor because he is out of the way before its shot.

Ok lets use your logic. I get a gun I warn you a second before I pull the trigger are you going to be able move out of the way?

Originally posted by Alfheim
QUOTE=7122698]Originally posted by Soljer
[B]Alfheim...you are arguing a beaten, dead, horse.

Spidey can dodge lasers because he has shown the capability to. Hell, even Captain America has dodged laser after laser. In zero gravity.

Yeah I KNOW

Ok lets use your logic. I get a gun I warn you a second before I pull the trigger are you going to be able move out of the way? [/B][/QUOTE]

actually

if it takes your head/body part less than a second to move out of a 3 cm radius (which can be done), yes

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Yeah I KNOW

Ok lets use your logic. I get a gun I warn you a second before I pull the trigger are you going to be able move out of the way?

actually

if it takes your head/body part less than a second to move out of a 3 cm radius (which can be done), yes [/B][/QUOTE]

So im going to fire one shot am I? im going to unload my clip;

Originally posted by Alfheim
QUOTE=7122698]Originally posted by Soljer
[B]Alfheim...you are arguing a beaten, dead, horse.

Spidey can dodge lasers because he has shown the capability to. Hell, even Captain America has dodged laser after laser. In zero gravity.

Yeah I KNOW

Ok lets use your logic. I get a gun I warn you a second before I pull the trigger are you going to be able move out of the way? [/B][/QUOTE]

No because i can't move fast enough before you were to pull the trigger, Spider-man on the other hand can, it dosn't matter what comes out the gun he is faster then your fingure so he still gets out of the way before you fire, the fact is lasors move at the speed of light, the equipment that fires them don't.

Originally posted by Alfheim
actually

if it takes your head/body part less than a second to move out of a 3 cm radius (which can be done), yes

So im going to fire one shot am I? im going to unload my clip; [/B][/QUOTE]

your post was implying that you were asking wether it is possible to move out of the way of a bullet if you were given a 1 second warning, and you were not aiming at me post-movement

and to that i say yes

Originally posted by Alfheim

So im going to fire one shot am I? im going to unload my clip;

So you are comparing normal human beings who can't physicly move faster than your fingure to Spider-man who has super human speed and can move faster than your fingure, quite a leap in logic somewhere.

Originally posted by Sparkz

No because i can't move fast enough before you were to pull the trigger, Spider-man on the other hand can, it dosn't matter what comes out the gun he is faster then your fingure so he still gets out of the way before you fire, the fact is lasors move at the speed of light, the equipment that fires them don't.

I can still use that comparison because even if that person is much slower than you, you will still get shot.

So what happens when Spiderman is fightng people with superhuman reflexes still slower than him but on superhuman level?

What about the times when Spiderman is dodging multiple lasers and remember the example I used was a gun not a laser.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
So im going to fire one shot am I? im going to unload my clip;

your post was implying that you were asking wether it is possible to move out of the way of a bullet if you were given a 1 second warning, and you were not aiming at me post-movement

and to that i say yes [/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah ok what about multiple bullets that you know are coming in your direction?

Imagine the situation, you got nowhere to duck under, its just you and me with a gun im going to warn you a second before I start unloading the clip..basically your toast.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I can still use that comparison because even if that person is much slower than you, you will still get shot.

So what happens when Spiderman is fightng people with superhuman reflexes still slower than him but on superhuman level?

What about the times when Spiderman is dodging multiple lasers and remember the example I used was a gun not a laser.

If you are faster than the person who shoots and you know when wear and how its coming you still get hit?? how Someone aims at Spider-man, his Spidey-sense goes off, he dodges and the person fires, they begin to aim again, Spider-man's Spider-sense goes off he dodges and the person shoots and misses. You see if the person could keep up with Spider-man (with a lasor not a bullet) then yes Spider-man would be shot but not if that person is slower.

And if Spider-man is dodging multiple lasors again unless they are faster than him, he can get out the way of every single shot because his Spider-sense will tell him wear to go to get out of danger and he does before the shots are fired, what is so hard to understand about that???

Originally posted by Sparkz
If you are faster than the person who shoots and you know when wear and how its coming you still get hit?? how Someone aims at Spider-man, his Spidey-sense goes off, he dodges and the person fires, they begin to aim again, Spider-man's Spider-sense goes off he dodges and the person shoots and misses. You see if the person could keep up with Spider-man (with a lasor not a bullet) then yes Spider-man would be shot but not if that person is slower.

Yeah thats true with humans but what about superhumans? Spiderman reflexes are 40x that of a human being but what about superhuman reflexes? He isnt 40x faster than the Scorpion or other super villains he has faced with lasers (obvoulsy not some but alot of them have superhuman reflexes too).

So what your saying to me is if a nomarl person with a gun warns a martial artist thats hes going to shoot him...ok maybe he will move out of the way of the first shot....but if this guy unloads his clip he isnt going to be dodging the person anymore but the bullets.

The reason why im giving the example of the normal person and the martial artist is that im trying to give a comparison of how for example the scropions reflexes would match up against Spidey and other villains.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah thats true with humans but what about superhumans? Spiderman reflexes are 40x that of a human being but what about superhuman reflexes? He isnt 40x faster than the Scorpion or other super villains he has faced with lasers (obvoulsy not some but alot of them have superhuman reflexes too).

So what your saying to me is if a nomarl person with a gun warns a martial artist thats hes going to shoot him...ok maybe he will move out of the way of the first shot....but if this guy unloads his clip he isnt going to be dodging the person anymore but the bullets.

The reason why im giving the example of the normal person and the martial artist is that im trying to give a comparison of how for example the scropions reflexes would match up against Spidey and other villains.

What you seem to forget is that you are saying you are going to warn someone about the first shot, Spider-man's Spider-sense warns him when the bullet will be fired, where it will be fired from, and tells him wear to go to safety for each shot, so he can keep dodging while a normal person wouldn't.

Originally posted by Sparkz
What you seem to forget is that you are saying you are going to warn someone about the first shot, Spider-man's Spider-sense warns him when the bullet will be fired, where it will be fired from, and tells him wear to go to safety for each shot, so he can keep dodging while a normal person wouldn't.

If it was fired from a normal human being I can understand but not a superhuman. Hence the example of the normal human with the gun or ok...forget the gun a normal human with a laser firing at a martial artist...stilll with that information surely the martial artist is going down. Remember the normal human is supposed to represent the normal reflexes of a typical superhuman spidey villain and the martial artist is supposed to represent spideys reflexes.

Surely though even with that information, if he is dodging somone with superhuman reflexes with a laser or multiple enemies with a laser he will still get hit.. How can he dodge something moving at 185,000 miles per second. What im saying to you is even if he is warned and he knows where to go he cannot move fast enough to dodge something moving at that speed...it will catch up with him before he can even move.

Does his spider sense also warn him of several things at the sametime or one at a time?

The spider-sense warns him in advance.

Also, it warns him of EVERY threat. Read that one civil war comic where missiles are coming at them, Spider-man explains the since he is aware of EVERY threat, sometimes things are a little fuzzy, but he can always discern what is what. In fact, his Spider Sense specifically warned him that missiles were on the way.

Originally posted by Alfheim
If it was fired from a normal human being I can understand but not a superhuman. Hence the example of the normal human with the gun or ok...forget the gun a normal human with a laser firing at a martial artist...stilll with that information surely the martial artist is going down. Remember the normal human is supposed to represent the normal reflexes of a typical superhuman spidey villain and the martial artist is supposed to represent spideys reflexes.

Surely though even with that information, if he is dodging somone with superhuman reflexes with a laser or multiple enemies with a laser he will still get hit.. How can he dodge something moving at 185,000 miles per second. What im saying to you is even if he is warned and he knows where to go he cannot move fast enough to dodge something moving at that speed...it will catch up with him before he can even move.

Does his spider sense also warn him of several things at the sametime or one at a time?

Essentialy everything at once, it has been known to e confused, but generaly when he is very angry and not listning to it, or not realy concentrating on the fight, but yes eventualy the person with reflexes close to Spidey such as scorpian could score a hit with a lasor but Spider-man is still faster but he is still more likley to dodge it.

Basicly to hit Spider-man if he is written to his best ability anyone slower than him should not be able to hit him with a gun/lasor etc, fists and stuff its different because they can change direction , if the other combatant is slower than Spider-man but not by much he can hit Spidey due to being able to move closley with his speed and change the attack before Spidey can change his dodge. Of course if a character is faster than Spidey they will hit him maybe not with a gun though it is much more likley or just with their fists.

I hope that made sense.

Originally posted by Sparkz
Essentialy everything at once, it has been known to e confused, but generaly when he is very angry and not listning to it, or not realy concentrating on the fight, but yes eventualy the person with reflexes close to Spidey such as scorpian could score a hit with a lasor but Spider-man is still faster but he is still more likley to dodge it.

Basicly to hit Spider-man if he is written to his best ability anyone slower than him should not be able to hit him with a gun/lasor etc, fists and stuff its different because they can change direction , if the other combatant is slower than Spider-man but not by much he can hit Spidey due to being able to move closley with his speed and change the attack before Spidey can change his dodge. Of course if a character is faster than Spidey they will hit him maybe not with a gun though it is much more likley or just with their fists.

I hope that made sense.

it is a bit confusing im gonna sleep on it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
it is a bit confusing im gonna sleep on it.

Fair enough, lol I know what I mean but I always have a hard time trying to explain myself...as you can well see.

Everything you guys are talking about isn't making sense, why are we trying to compare real life physic's to comics. I know its cool to calculate how fast someone was moving, or how fasts a missile travels compared to cap's shield, but the real life logic being used in this Thread is well, flawed logic.

You cant compare comics to real life, You cant just say a man who is 40x faster, stronger and more agile then normals humans cant dodge something, have you ever met or seen a man in real life that can move 40x faster then me or your, no? So how do you know how fast they are?

So guess who decides on this, the writers, and if the writers want to have there characters dodge laser then I'm all for it.

Also, comparing comic lasers to real life lasers is also flawed, because you cant, if a laser is fired in real life it appears to be an instant line to the naked eye traveling at the speed light. In comics this never happens, know why? Because of the writers, its a fictional world where in comics and movies lasers can travel at bullet speed, so we, the reader/viewer can see it, and awe as our hero's evades them with ease, or in caps case, rolls with them. Cap freaking rolls with lasers, if you want to use real life, a perfect symmetrical hole should be left in cap's body where the laser went through him instantly before he even knew what happened. But the writers not going to do that, because in his fictional world, laser don't have to travel that fast.

Laser are right up there with bullets, ninjas, vampires, and military special forces in comics.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Everything you guys are talking about isn't making sense, why are we trying to compare real life physic's to comics. I know its cool to calculate how fast someone was moving, or how fasts a missile travels compared to cap's shield, but the real life logic being used in this Thread is well, flawed logic.

You cant compare comics to real life, You cant just say a man who is 40x faster, stronger and more agile then normals humans cant dodge something, have you ever met or seen a man in real life that can move 40x faster then me or your, no? So how do you know how fast they are?

So guess who decides on this, the writers, and if the writers want to have there characters dodge laser then I'm all for it.

Also, comparing comic lasers to real life lasers is also flawed, because you cant, if a laser is fired in real life it appears to be an instant line to the naked eye traveling at the speed light. In comics this never happens, know why? Because of the writers, its a fictional world where in comics and movies lasers can travel at bullet speed, so we, the reader/viewer can see it, and awe as our hero's evades them with ease, or in caps case, rolls with them. [b]Cap freaking rolls with lasers, if you want to use real life, a perfect symmetrical hole should be left in cap's body where the laser went through him instantly before he even knew what happened. But the writers not going to do that, because in his fictional world, laser don't have to travel that fast.

Laser are right up there with bullets, ninjas, vampires, and military special forces in comics. [/B]

I agree with you. What im trying to do is prove that there are things that Spidey does all the time which should not be possible but we accept because its in a comic.

Those arguing in favour of Cap say that he is superhuman and we give examples from comics, but everytime we get an example of him doing something superhuman all we get is "Bah" in reply.

I mean Namor has done stuff which should be beyond his ability but nobody gives a ****, everytime its Cap all we get is "Bah". We just cant win.

spiderman frustrates opponentes with his speed thats how he stopped the hulk. the hulk was too worried about getting in one hit against spidey never mind squashing him do death. Cap will get frustrated with the speed of spiderman just to try and get that one hit in might be to late for cap. what will come first caps frustration with spideys speed or getting that one hit in because of his speed?

Originally posted by python99
spiderman frustrates opponentes with his speed thats how he stopped the hulk. the hulk was too worried about getting in one hit against spidey never mind squashing him do death. Cap will get frustrated with the speed of spiderman just to try and get that one hit in might be to late for cap. what will come first caps frustration with spideys speed or getting that one hit in because of his speed?

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