cap vs spider-man

whos that jumpin out the Sky its spidey facing off against Cap Spidey is stronger faster more agile than Cap and has a better chance of landing a punch on a Cap even thought Cap has the shield. Now imagine if Cap gets tagged by those new stingers not only will Cap swell up but he will be messed up. This is when Spidey will unleash that crawler assault. So the last thing Cap will probably hear is thwip and then a maximum Spider. Hypercombo finish. but I do have to admit that Spidey will have an even bigger fight... the one against the US government for takin out the sentinel of liberty. ur welcome Marvel Prince bow down before me

Originally posted by Logan Sai
whos that jumpin out the Sky its spidey facing off against Cap Spidey is stronger faster more agile than Cap and has a better chance of landing a punch on a Cap even thought Cap has the shield. Now imagine if Cap gets tagged by those new stingers not only will Cap swell up but he will be messed up. This is when Spidey will unleash that crawler assault. So the last thing Cap will probably hear is thwip and then a maximum Spider. Hypercombo finish. but I do have to admit that Spidey will have an even bigger fight... the one against the US government for takin out the sentinel of liberty. ur welcome Marvel Prince bow down before me

I bow. I bow. And that MAXIMUM SPIDER! should have been in all caps and followed by an exclamation point. And after hypercombo finish don't forget the KO. 😆

In all seriousness Cap has no chance (think of Vince MacMahon here). He'd put of a good fight but he has no chance in HELL!!!

Originally posted by marvelprince
I bow. I bow. And that MAXIMUM SPIDER! should have been in all caps and followed by an exclamation point. And after hypercombo finish don't forget the KO. 😆

In all seriousness Cap has no chance (think of Vince MacMahon here). He'd put of a good fight but he has no chance in HELL!!!

I tap out before BENDIS!

Originally posted by Logan Sai
I tap out before BENDIS!

As long as its not before Winnick we're cool

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Great argument. Beyond the initial "miracle exception" that we all agree to make for a super-powered being when reading a comic, there is an internal logic that is established by the writing that shouldn't just be ignored willy nilly. xmarksthesmpot is completely right in pointing to this particular panel as being a gross narrative inconsistency. Captain America should not be able to perform this feat unless he possesses considerable superhuman strength. Just like he should not be able to fight Spider-Man hand-to-hand and avoid getting killed. People that argue to the contrary--that Cap can take Spider-Man--argue solely on the basis of back issues. But, as xmarksthespot correctly points out, this type of argument can only be pressed so far. If a character like Cap is shown defeating or matching Spider-Man in some back issue, some outside explanation must be provided (like, Spider-Man had a bout of dysentery, or had an epileptic seizure...). Otherwise, it makes no sense. If there was a back issue showing the Hulk losing to Cap in an arm-wrestling match, wouldn't you call bullshit on that? The simple fact of the matter is that Spider-Man possesses something like 20 times Cap's strength. His punches are basically equivalent to small mortar fire. In addition, he possesses superhuman speed and reaction time. "Superhuman"--that means greater than Cap's. Plus, PLUS.....he's precognitive, which means he always knows where Cap's blows are going. Jesus Christ! It doesn't get more lopsided than this! Unless you dispute that Spider-Man actually has all these advantages, what is your explanation for Cap's ability to match him in a fight? He's got extra heart? He's super patriotic? Give me a break. If this fight was written by anyone who had an honest understanding of these two characters and depicted the scene with any kind of respect for their respective abilities/limitations, then Spider-Man wins is about 5 seconds by decapitating Captain America with a punch to the face.

Good post, but i have to disagree with the enlarged text. In spiderman 534? (i think thats the issue) he breifly mentions why he cant accurately sense where caps fists were going, and it made sense. I mean, you COULD argue that regardless, spidey shuold be able to, but at the same time he said it himself, and it was reasonable.

also the pun was not intended

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Get over it.

I'll get over it when you learn to read. What is the limit of Class 100?
So because it means over a hundred tons that means there is no limit, because thats what you are basically telling me. Peak humans and class teners have a limit, all of sudden when you reach class 100 they can lift thousands of more tons.

Heroes who can lift 80 or 90 can go toe to toe for a bit VS class 100 opponents. Therfore the limit for class 100 should not be a hundred thousand tons otherwise when they fight people in the 80 or 90 ranged they should get squashed with one punch. Im not talking about people like Galactus im talking about people like Namor and Thor.

What the hell so Cap should not be able to throw his shield and catch a plane, but my whole point is not if it is the comic then it can be done, its if its in the comic and it happens all the time then it can be done.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Spider-Man actually has a reason to be able to dodge lasers, I don't think anyone has even said anything here about Captain America being able to dodge lasers, when his physical attributes are lower than Spider-Man's and in terms of those that would be applicable to dodging lasers Daredevil and Beast.

Oh so Spiderman can dodge multiple lasers moving at 185,000 miles per second fired by superhumans. Lasers move so fast that Spîderman should not even be able to predict that they are coming and even if he has a head start they will catch up with him.

Thats like saying that if you get lots of humans with laser guns and they fire at another human who has been told were the shots will be coming from and know wheres to go to he will be able to dodge the lasers......cant be done.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

I said an instance was CIS and not/less PIS,

No you did not I will get it out for everybody to read since you wanna be a hardcase.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Good post, but i have to disagree with the enlarged text. In spiderman 534? (i think thats the issue) he breifly mentions why he cant accurately sense where caps fists were going, and it made sense. I mean, you COULD argue that regardless, spidey shuold be able to, but at the same time he said it himself, and it was reasonable.

also the pun was not intended

That does not matter its BS because they said so. Dr Doom can build time machines thats BS too.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I'll get over it when you learn to read. What is the limit of Class 100?
So because it means over a hundred tons that means there is no limit, because thats what you are basically telling me. Peak humans and class teners have a limit, all of sudden when you reach class 100 they can lift thousands of more tons.

[B]Heroes who can lift 80 or 90 can go toe to toe for a bit VS class 100 opponents. Therfore the limit for class 100 should not be a hundred thousand tons otherwise when they fight people in the 80 or 90 ranged they should get squashed with one punch. Im not talking about people like Galactus im talking about people like Namor and Thor.

What the hell so Cap should not be able to throw his shield and catch a plane, but my whole point is not if it is the comic then it can be done, its if its in the comic and it happens all the time then it can be done. [/B]

Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh so Spiderman can dodge multiple lasers moving at 185,000 miles per second fired by superhumans. Lasers move so fast that Spîderman should not even be able to predict that they are coming and even if he has a head start they will catch up with him.

[B]Thats like saying that if you get lots of humans with laser guns and they fire at another human who has been told were the shots will be coming from and know wheres to go to he will be able to dodge the lasers......cant be done.[/B]

Originally posted by Alfheim
No you did not I will get it out for everybody to read since you wanna be a hardcase.

Conclusion: Spider-Man wins the overwhelming majority.
Conclusion 2: You are a colossal waste of time.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What is the limit of Class 100?
So because it means over a hundred tons

Class 100 is the ablility to lift over a hundred tons

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The fact that you don't know what Class 100 is,

I repeat Class 100 is over a hundred tons....you cannot read.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What is the limit of Class 100?
So because it means over a hundred tons

I dont know what Class 100 is? OK as usual you did not read what I said. Afterwards I said....

Originally posted by Alfheim

[B]Heroes who can lift 80 or 90 can go toe to toe for a bit VS class 100 opponents. Therfore the limit for class 100 should not be a hundred thousand tons otherwise when they fight people in the 80 or 90 ranged they should get squashed with one punch. Im not talking about people like Galactus im talking about people like Namor and Thor.
[/B]

You IGNORED this and said I do not know what class 100 is, which is WRONG

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[B
The fact that you can't discern the difference between something not being able to happen in the real world but that is accepted in comics, and writer stupidity tells me you are a waste of my time.
[/B]

Yes I can but its a comic book to an extent its ALL BS.

AND you have iGNORED this post.....PLEASE ANSWER

Originally posted by Alfheim

Oh so Spiderman can dodge multiple lasers moving at 185,000 miles per second fired by superhumans. Lasers move so fast that Spîderman should not even be able to predict that they are coming and even if he has a head start they will catch up with him.

[B]Thats like saying that if you get lots of humans with laser guns and they fire at another human who has been told were the shots will be coming from and know wheres to go to he will be able to dodge the lasers......cant be done.
[/B]

Humans shooting lasers at a human with prep = Superhumans shooting lasers at spiderman = Dead Spiderman

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

The fact that you think when someone refers to a specific example with a comment (that you've extrapolated into meaning something that it never meant in the first place) about that example, and then somehow misinterpreted it to applying to every other instance in comics ever in the most bizarre strawman ever, tells me you are a waste of my time.
/B]

I undertsand what you are saying but the problem is...

YOU SAID IT IN BLACK AND WHITE AND YOU ARE DENYING IT!!!!

EVERYBODY WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?????????

Originally posted by Alfheim
[B]I said Cap Vs Iron Spidey loses the majority....but if Iron Spidey does not use stealth mode that is PIS.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
no, that would be CIS, character being retarded.

Does this mean its CIS and PIS? Does it mean its more CIS but a bit of PIS? Or does it mean its CIS period????!!!!

YOU THEN SAID THIS

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Fights are not PIS or CIS mutually exclusive.

REALLY? BUT I SAID THIS

Originally posted by Alfheim
I said Cap Vs Iron Spidey loses the majority....but if Iron Spidey does not use stealth mode that is PIS.

YOU THEN SAID THIS

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
no, that would be CIS, character being retarded.

THAT IS MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

LATER ON YOU DECIDE to SAY "IF"

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[BI If I've stated "if A then never B" that "A and B are mutually exclusive" then I retract that. [/B]

THERES NO...IF....YOU DID SAY THAT

I AM WRITING IN CAPS BECAUSE IF I DO NOT YOU WILL IGNORE IMPORTANT POINTS. THE FACT OF THE MATTER XMARKSTHESPOT IS THAT YOU CANNOT DEBATE YOU ARGUE.

WHEN SOMEONE MAKES AN IMPORTANT POINT YOU IGNORE IT, WHEN YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF YOU GET AMENSIA.

YOU DO NOT EVALUATE ALL THE INFORMATION GIVEN TO YOU? YOU JUST TAKE WHAT YOU LIKE AND IGNORE THE REST. THE EXAMPLE ABOVE IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE YOU DO THIS ON NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Class 100 is the ablility to lift over a hundred tons

I repeat Class 100 is over a hundred tons....you cannot read.

I dont know what Class 100 is? OK as usual you did not read what I said. Afterwards I said....

You IGNORED this and said I do not know what class 100 is, which is WRONG

Yes I can but its a comic book to an extent its ALL BS.

AND you have iGNORED this post.....PLEASE ANSWER

Humans shooting lasers at a human with prep = Superhumans shooting lasers at spiderman = Dead Spiderman

I undertsand what you are saying but the problem is...

YOU SAID IT IN BLACK AND WHITE AND YOU ARE DENYING IT!!!!

EVERYBODY WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?????????

Does this mean its CIS and PIS? Does it mean its more CIS but a bit of PIS? Or does it mean its CIS period????!!!!

YOU THEN SAID THIS

REALLY? BUT I SAID THIS

YOU THEN SAID THIS

THAT IS MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

LATER ON YOU DECIDE to SAY "IF"

THERES NO...IF....YOU DID SAY THAT

I AM WRITING IN CAPS BECAUSE IF I DO NOT YOU WILL IGNORE IMPORTANT POINTS. THE FACT OF THE MATTER XMARKSTHESPOT IS THAT YOU CANNOT DEBATE YOU ARGUE.

WHEN SOMEONE MAKES AN IMPORTANT POINT YOU IGNORE IT, WHEN YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF YOU GET AMENSIA.

YOU DO NOT EVALUATE ALL THE INFORMATION GIVEN TO YOU? YOU JUST TAKE WHAT YOU LIKE AND IGNORE THE REST. THE EXAMPLE ABOVE IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE YOU DO THIS ON NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS.

Your delusions notwithstanding there is no statement of mutual exclusivity with regards to all of comics there. There is no statement indicating mutual exclusivity. Period.

When you actually make any point of significance I may choose to take it into account. As it stands your irrational rambling is as stated a waste of my time.

I can only suffer fools for so long before I simply use the acronym STFU. Spider-Man wins as detailed. Get over it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Class 100 has no limit to it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Most of the people within it still have limits.

How can you argue you against someone like this, impossible!

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

I repeat.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Class 100 has no limit to it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Most of the people within it still have limits.

Either it has a limit or it does not. A classification cannot be unlimited and limited at the same time. I rest my case, you cannot debate.

Xmarksthespot means that even though a hero/villain is in Class100, it doesn't mean he has an unlimited strength, although the category includes everyone who can lift anything above 100 tons. This means that if you're were a Class100 character, you would be able to lift at least 100 tons, but because nothing else is specified, your strength might not have limits at all.

The Class itself has no limits to it.

The people within it still mostly have limits.

I'll reduce to monosyllabic if it helps.

Originally posted by Tshern
Xmarksthespot means that even though a hero/villain is in Class100, it doesn't mean he has an unlimited strength, although the category includes everyone who can lift anything above 100 tons. This means that if you're were a Class100 character, you would be able to lift at least 100 tons, but because nothing else is specified, your strength might not have limits at all.

Look Tshern can something be unlimited and limited at the sametime? The anwser is no....therefore the clasification is crap and should be more accurate.

The thing that is annoying me is this I also said you need to distingush between people like Thor, Namor and Galactus all three individuals are not in the same strength level she IGNORED this IMPORTANT point.

People like Namor fight class 50 and 80ers all the time. People in the class 50 and 80 tons range should not be able to give Namor a problem. Therefore if the limit for peak human is 1 to 2 tons and Spiderman is 20, therefore the limit for class 100 for people like Namor should not be 100,000 of tons but they do this all the time and she does not have a problem with this!!!

Im not talking about people like Galactuc.

Why has this thread turned from Spider-man vs Captain America to why can't humans with a second warning dodge lasors?

My question is...how can Captain America beat Spiderman without PIS or CIS? And why does this thread have 40 pages....?

He really can't. On forum battles, the Marvel standards(including the ridiculous ones) are ignored. We should rely completely on basic knowledge(abilities) about characters.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
He really can't. On forum battles, the Marvel standards(including the ridiculous ones) are ignored. We should rely completely on basic knowledge(abilities) about characters.

Ah well that makes sense...I guess the next question to ask is how this thread got to 40 pages?

Originally posted by Sparkz
Why has this thread turned from Spider-man vs Captain America to why can't humans with a second warning dodge lasors?

Because.......

Originally posted by Alfheim

Humans shooting lasers at a human with prep = Superhumans shooting lasers at spiderman = Dead Spiderman

Ive already explained this, Spiderman as well as Captain America does lots of things he should not be able to do, and they do it all the time.

C'mon man.....damn....I gotta give this up

Originally posted by Dinalfos
He really can't. On forum battles, the Marvel standards(including the ridiculous ones) are ignored. We should rely completely on basic knowledge(abilities) about characters.

No there not because if I started a thread with Iron Man Vs Thing, you will all be there debating.

If the Marvel standards are ignored Iron Man should turn up in his suit and tie and get squashed by the Thing because he should not be able to create the suit.

People take the Marvel standards when it suits them its pure hypocrisy.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Ah well that makes sense...I guess the next question to ask is how this thread got to 40 pages?

It would help if you read the thread.