you are using one off events to show his strength and like i said.. there are more events where he has been beaten by "low levelers" than himself .. and the marvel handbook is garbage if you want to stick to it go ahead.because no writer has stuck to the guides .. thats why there has been so many amusing strength feats out of the boundaries that marvelhas given in the handbooks..
Marvel should just stop beating around the bush and make it official. Because right now thats the stuff does the stuff he does while being peak human. I hate to use the word PIS, but it really is. You see, I would be more forgiving if Cap's showings were consistently high. But sometimes, he really IS acting and fighting like a peak human. He's only scaled up when fighting superior opponents.
..."soz dont kno who quoted this but it is true...at the end of the day the handbooks really dont know how to stick to the facts . eg.. look at hulks height .7'.. and then look at collousus.. 7'5... I MEAN WHAT WERE THEY THINKING.. so we have to make believe whatever happens in the comics... if you want to belive spiderman's strength is 20 tons. go ahead.. that means who ever he fights with .. and gets his ass whooped will be strong as/or close to him .. (hand to hand i mean)
Originally posted by AlfheimNot in the Marvel world, otherwise they would be "superhumans".
Therefore it is an established fact in the MU humans have superhuman attributes[/B]
Originally posted by AlfheimOnly to an extent.
and skills compensate for not having any powers.
Originally posted by AlfheimThese things aren't analagous. And it isn't about what people can do in the real world. It's about what characters can do given their powersets in the comic book world.
People in the real world study magic and belive in the Supernatural but cannot do what Dr Strange can do.Technological genuises exist in the real world but cannot do what Tony Stark or Dr Doom can do.
Acrobats exist in the real world but cannot do What Taskmaster can
do.
Dr Strange is the Sorceror Supreme. Doom is the genius ruler of Latveria. And Iron Man is a futurist industrialist genius with too much time on his hands.
This has no relevance to that Captain America is a man who took a super soldier serum and became peak human, and is purported as one of the best fighters in Marvel.
This:
Is writer stupidity at it's finest.
Spider-Man's strength is probably not enough to do that. Double Spider-Man's strength is probably not enough to do that.
Originally posted by AlfheimAll the best martial artists in the real world die when hit by someone whose 20 times stronger than them. In a comic this doesn't happen, Captain America can not die.
All the best martial artists in the real world know how to punch, grapple and take damage from stronger opponents, in the MU this skill is taken to a highier level.
Originally posted by AlfheimHe loses, stop acting like he's your retarded kid brother, a monkey just threw shit on him at the zoo and all the other kids are laughing at him.
Stop picking on Cap!
Originally posted by AlfheimNo one is taking away his skill, and your analogies are horribly flawed. If Spider-Man doesn't fight like Cletus the slack-jawed Yokel he wins every time.
Take away Cap's skills take away all threads with Dr strange's powers and Iron Man's armour. I have seen a thread here with Dr Strange vs Thor. That should have not been posted because Dr Strange should not be able to take on Thor because he is only human, but the explanation for him doing what he does is that he is extremely talented. [/B]
Originally posted by dashabz
Marvel should just stop beating around the bush and make it official. Because right now thats the stuff does the stuff he does while being peak human. I hate to use the word PIS, but it really is. You see, I would be more forgiving if Cap's showings were consistently high. But sometimes, he really IS acting and fighting like a peak human. He's only scaled up when fighting superior opponents.
..."soz dont kno who quoted this but it is true...at the end of the day the handbooks really dont know how to stick to the facts . eg.. look at hulks height .7'.. and then look at collousus.. 7'5... I MEAN WHAT WERE THEY THINKING.. so we have to make believe whatever happens in the comics... if you want to belive spiderman's strength is 20 tons. go ahead.. that means who ever he fights with .. and gets his ass whooped will be strong as/or close to him .. (hand to hand i mean)
I agree, at least with that first part. As for that second part, strength isn't everything but its pretty easy to get a bead on Spidey's strength with some of the things he lifts like helicopters, trains, etc.
Its nice how everyone is looking at all of Spidey's low end showings and Cap's super high end showings. Most of the time Cap is portrayed as what he is, a man. All of your examples are nice, what with Spider-Man being beat from Taskmaster etc but you know what, they're irrelevant. Cause none of them Spider-Man using the full extent of powers, none of them show him letting go and losing control. Regardless of how much he struggles against normal opponents he will not hit them with his full strength for fear that he could kill them. Just look what happened when he hit that woman in Spider-Man vs Wolverine.
Oh god not you again....I was having a reasonably fine day... 🙁
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Not in the Marvel world, otherwise they would be "superhumans".
Well sometimes they are, being told you have prenatural strength means you have superhuman strength.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[B]
Only to an extent.
Well enough to beat up Spiderman
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[B]
These things aren't analagous. And it isn't about what people can do in the real world. It's about what characters can do given their powersets in the comic book world.
..and you find that out by reading a comic.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[B]
Dr Strange is the Sorceror Supreme. Doom is the genius ruler of Latveria. And Iron Man is a futurist industrialist genius with too much time on his hands.This has no relevance to that Captain America is a man who took a super soldier serum and became peak human, and is purported as one of the best fighters in Marvel.
Here....we...go again. Everbody who has read that point undertstood what I was getting at, but not xmarksthespot....oh no. The fact of the matter is that they are all human, they all have skills that exist in the real world but in the MU they are amped to help them deal with superhumans.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[B]
This:
Is not skill.
So what? A person could get scans of Power Man fighting the Thing. A person could get a scan of The Thing lifting well over 85 tons. You can scans of Namor lifting class 100 out of water, so you wanna get one pic of cap doing something that doesnt add up....stop wasting my time.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[B]
All the best martial artists in the real world die when hit by someone whose 20 times stronger than them. In a comic this doesn't happen, Captain America can not die.
So what exactly is you're point? Are you telling me that he should die? Are you telling me that it should reflect real life? Im confused because earlier you said this......
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[B]And it isn't about what people can do in the real world.
It's about what characters can do given their powersets in the comic book world.
Contradicting yourself again? Make your mind up should it reflect the real world or the comic, because if it reflects the powerset in the comic book then Cap can beat Spiderman and so can all the other millions of street levellers in the MU
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[B]
He loses, stop acting like he's your retarded kid brother, a monkey just threw shit on him at the zoo and all the other kids are laughing at him.
No one is taking away his skill, and your analogies are horribly flawed. If Spider-Man doesn't fight like Cletus the slack-jawed Yokel he wins every time.
You can't read, you keep contradicting yourself, you're wasting my time.....again.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Cause none of them Spider-Man using the full extent of powers, none of them show him letting go and losing control.
You need to stop using that arguement its crap! When Spiderman got grappled by the Enforcer called the Snake he was holding back? All he had to do was use his spider strength to get out he didn't have to punch him. So what now?
When Spider Man was shooting webbing at Shang Chi and Taskmaster he intentionally shot his web as slow as possible so they could dodge?
When Shang Chi got hit in the face by one of Ulik's trolls, the troll hit Shang Chi as soft as possible?
Troll: Damn who is this oriental guy...I dont know why but I have this overwhelming urge to pull my punches. Nevermind the fact im evil and he's standing in my way.
All the 100's of examples of humans taking beatings from superhuman villains and they were all pulling their punches?
Originally posted by marvelprince
Its nice how everyone is looking at all of Spidey's low end showings and Cap's super high end showings.
Yeah so what? I have seen a scan of Spiderman beating a sentinel. The fact of the matter is you can have loads of examples of humans taking damage from superhumans, not once or twice...loads of times. Therefore humans can take superhuman damage.
Originally posted by AlfheimThere's no contradiction there no-wit. Spider-Man given his powerset can kill Captain America given his powerset, with a punch.
Oh god not you again....I was having a reasonably fine day... 🙁Well sometimes they are, being told you have prenatural strength means you have superhuman strength.
Well enough to beat up Spiderman
..and you find that out by reading a comic.
Here....we...go again. Everbody who has read that point undertstood what I was getting at, but not xmarksthespot....oh no. The fact of the matter is that they are all human, they all have skills that exist in the real world but in the MU they are amped to help them deal with superhumans.
So what? A person could get scans of Power Man fighting the Thing. A person could get a scan of The Thing lifting well over 85 tons. You can scans of Namor lifting class 100 out of water, so you wanna get one pic of cap doing something that doesnt add up....stop wasting my time.
So what exactly is you're point? Are you telling me that he should die? Are you telling me that it should reflect real life? Im confused because earlier you said this......
Contradicting yourself again? Make your mind up should it reflect the real world or the comic, because if it reflects the powerset in the comic book then Cap can beat Spiderman and so can all the other millions of street levellers in the MU
You can't read, you keep contradicting yourself, you're wasting my time.....again.
Magic is not a skill amped up from the real world for the non-delusional. Dr Strange is Dr Strange, Iron Man is Iron Man, and Captain America is Captain America. There are no analogies to be drawn. Dr Strange's magical abilities enable him to fight someone like Thor, they enable him to match cosmic beings - because his magical abilities make them equivalents or near-equivalents in powers. Likewise Iron Man's technological prowess for fighting mid- to top-tier characters.
Captain America is not anywhere near Spider-Man's equal in any physical attribute, and his skill does not make up the difference on the forum where characters haven't been raised or lowered to even a fight.
Captain America may be a "fighting genius" but he is physically outgunned by Spider-Man far beyond the advantages his skill may confer. He loses. Learn to deal.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Its nice how everyone is looking at all of Spidey's low end showings and Cap's super high end showings.
Originally posted by AlfheimPretty much sums up your argument or lack thereof. Yeah so what? Why does it matter? Because that's not how the forum works.
Yeah so what?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There's no contradiction there no-wit. Spider-Man given his powerset can kill Captain America given his powerset, with a punch.Magic is not a skill amped up from the real world for the non-delusional. Dr Strange is Dr Strange, Iron Man is Iron Man, and Captain America is Captain America. There are no analogies to be drawn. Dr Strange's magical abilities enable him to fight someone like Thor, they enable him to match cosmic beings - because his magical abilities make them equivalents or near-equivalents in powers. Likewise Iron Man's technological prowess for fighting mid- to top-tier characters.
Captain America is [b]not
anywhere near Spider-Man's equal in any physical attribute, and his skill does not make up the difference on the forum where characters haven't been raised or lowered to even a fight.Captain America may be a "fighting genius" but he is physically outgunned by Spider-Man far beyond the advantages his skill may confer. He loses. Learn to deal.
Pretty much sums up your argument or lack thereof. Yeah so what? Why does it matter? Because that's not how the forum works. [/B]
Listen I dont have time for you. Other people who disgree with me can at least understand what im trying to say. Its a simple analogie if you're too dumb to understand it, it's not my problem.
Originally posted by Alfheim
You need to stop using that arguement its crap! When Spiderman got grappled by the Enforcer called the Snake he was holding back? All he had to do was use his spider strength to get out he didn't have to punch him. So what now?
How is it crap if its been stated and proven time and time again. Everyone and their grandmothers know that in battle Spider-Man always holds back. Just cause it hurts your case does not make it crap.
Originally posted by Alfheim
When Spider Man was shooting webbing at Shang Chi and Taskmaster he intentionally shot his web as slow as possible so they could dodge?
I was refering to strength and speed. I don't think I've ever disputed that webbing can't be dodged by humans
Originally posted by Alfheim
When Shang Chi got hit in the face by one of Ulik's trolls, the troll hit Shang Chi as soft as possible?
Did I ever mention that the troll was holding back? No so how is this even relevant
Originally posted by Alfheim
All the 100's of examples of humans taking beatings from superhuman villains and they were all pulling their punches?
And now are we conveniently forgetting all the times these humans have not been able to handles beatings from humans?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah so what? I have seen a scan of Spiderman beating a sentinel. The fact of the matter is you can have loads of examples of humans taking damage from superhumans, not once or twice...loads of times. Therefore humans can take superhuman damage.
Right, that makes sense. Its like saying since Shaq makes free throw shots on occasion that he's a free throw shooter.
Everything else aside. How can Spider-Man not beat Cap. If SPider-man is not holding back and punches Cap in the face how does Cap survive that? Or is Spider-Man not fast enough to land a blow
Originally posted by AlfheimThe irony. I read and comprehended things at a higher level than you've shown in this thread when I was 10.
Listen I dont have time for you. Other people who disgree with me can at least understand what im trying to say. Its a simple analogie if you're too dumb to understand it, it's not my problem.
I've read and analysed literary works from King Lear to Brave New World to the Canterbury Tales. Shakespeare, Huxley and Chaucer you're not. Your analogy is flawed and you fail to realise it.
You need a certain level of understanding to be accepted to medical school at 17 (I opted for science instead), complete a BSc by 19; read complicated (and oft tedious) physiological and pharmacological journals and apply for PhD scholarships. Things I've done or am in the process of doing; and that I've no small modicum of certainty you haven't.
Question my aptitude at comprehension at your own peril.
Webbed up and pummeled to death. Get over it and learn to deal.
Originally posted by AlfheimThe only reason this thread has lasted 47 pages is because you've made it your raison d'etre, ignoring that Captain America is webbed up and pummeled to death - one of a myriad ways Spider-Man can win easily, while maintaining Captain America can win blah blah blah etcetera without being able to answer the simple question:
Who me? Who are you anyway? This post has gone on for 47 pages, you just come in at the end and tell me im a fanboy?You probably haven't even read the posts. I hate these people who just come on in at the end of the thread and say something stupid.
...that doesn't involve Spider-Man fighting like he has the mental capacity of you or Rainman.
Hmmm after staying up on all these arguments for the last few days, I'm going to have to agree with Affheim on this, not totally, but on some points.
When your talking about guys like Taskmaster, Black Panther, Shang Chi, and of Course Capt, These guys are Martial Arts Gods, They are greater then any Martial artist to ever exist on the planet earth, its like being Bruce lee, jet lee, Steven segul, jackie chan, and chuck norris all at the same time x10.
The fact that Cap can master a martial a technique in minutes is a superpower in itself, it takes real life martial artist years, and sometimes their entire lives to master a single style or technique. Cap is a Tactics god, he has military and martial arts training in terms of combat strategy and tactics. Peter, although very smart and combat worthy, is nothing compared to someone of Captain Americas Caliber in Combat strategy and adjusting on the fly, yes I said it, NOTHING. Which is why cap is/was leader and not spidey.
People are getting Science logic, which is how guys like spidey and Reed win their fights, confused with Combat Logic, which is what guys like Cap excel at.
Cap is similar to Black Panther, Their mind is there greatest weapon in combat, always thinking 3 steps ahead, knowing what there opponent is going to do next, its almost reading their mind by watching their movements and knowing their foes next most logical move to better their position in a fight, only thing is, cap already had figured out what his foe was going to try to do 10 seconds ago.
Yes everybody argues for Spideys speed and agility, I know he is an agility god and he has speed to match, but guys like cap, are not that outmatched when it comes to this. In Civil war 1 Cap jumped out of window onto a moving jet, OMG, that in itself would give spidey a degree of difficulty to perform.
Cap is capable of sprinting 60 miles per hour, and can probably go faster if he exerted himself with maximum effort for a short burst. Check the Guinness book of world records, the fastest human to ever recorded ran 27mph. The world record in the mile is 3:43 sec. Cap runs a mile in just over a minute 😐
My point is, its going to take the human race (real life) probably 100,000 years before our evolution decides to catch up with Capitan America. We all sit here and say (and i was once guilty of this also) "man he is just peak human, blah, blah blah, whats he gonna do?". Have you ever met a man that was the Pinnacle of human perfection? If Captain America was a real man in real life he would be "Superhuman" in all its meaning.
Spidy is dangerous because of his strength and webbing, his speed and agility can be handled, as it has been by countless other street levelers who excel in combat logic. I mean this isnt Quicksilver+Mr Fantastic here.
Another thing I wanted to bring up (and I think this was addressed either in this Thread or another) is Cap is hitting with much more then 800lb of force, I heard there was a scan of him benching 2,200lbs, if thats the case he hits with much harder force then that. Think about it....
Your average Martial artist doesn't do much weight training, yet they hit twice as hard as a man who does lift weights with no combat training, its because they know how to throw a punch or how to throw a kick, I saw this martial arts show on History channel (love that channel) and they were using a machine with a pad connected to it to gauge how much force someone was striking someone with, and one guy was kicking with over 2500 pounds of force, that is, "like getting hit with a car" exact words form the narrator. On top of this, the guy hitting the pad could'nt of been more then 5"8 maybe 5"9, 160lbs. Crazy.
Now imagine Cap, not only one of the greatest martial artist in comics, but possibly the most perfect in terms of human perfection, how hard do you think his punches hit, how hard do you think his kicks hit?
Now spidey is class 15-20, yet I guarantee you his punches and kicks hit with WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY less force then that. His style is unorthodox, unchecked, it has no technique, no efficiency, with guys like Cap, every punch means something. With spidey his punches and kicks are "unsupervised", so to say, and what saves his ass from this poor style of fighting is his speed and agility. If spiderman had no superstrength, his punches and kicks would feel like feathers to some of our top street levelers, do to the fact that he really "doesn't" know how to throw a punch. He is always flipping upside down, doing a twisting back hand spring with a somersault and throws out a punch or kick and the process that hits with a few tons of force, heck and that might be pushing it. Without his strength, that same unchecked kick would hit with only a few 100lbs of force, if that, yup, true story. And dont get me wrong if spiderman were to stand toe to toe with cap and throw his hardest class 20+ punch, cap would probably be in the hospital real quick, but the day he decides to stop flipping around and go toe to toe with cap, is when Pete goes down hard, verily.
I think Ive said my part, And I'm only arguing this because I realized that Peak humans in comics do not exist in real life, and wont for quite some time. So who are we to put checks and balances on what Cap can do, (Although Im still not 100% with that whole hitting a missle thing) if he has proven capable of it, hey, just accept it for what it is and move on. Until you meet the Pinnacle of human Perfection in real life, a man who has benched 2,200lbs, ran 60mph, has near unlimited stamina, and can roll with lasers, then you can tell me what he can and cannot do.
And for those of you who think Im saying cap will take the majority Im not, Im just saying he has a much better chance then most of you are giving him.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotAlf is so going to own you for this... don't say I didn't warn ya. 🙁
The irony. I read and comprehended things at a higher level than you've shown in this thread when I was 10.I've read and analysed literary works from King Lear to Brave New World to the Canterbury Tales. Shakespeare, Huxley and Chaucer you're not. Your analogy is flawed and you fail to realise it.
You need a certain level of understanding to be accepted to medical school at 17 (I opted for science instead), complete a BSc by 19; read complicated (and oft tedious) physiological and pharmacological journals and apply for PhD scholarships. Things I've done or am in the process of doing; and that I've no small modicum of certainty you haven't.
Question my aptitude at comprehension at your own peril.
[b]Webbed up and pummeled to death. Get over it and learn to deal.
The only reason this thread has lasted 47 pages is because you've made it your raison d'etre, ignoring that Captain America is webbed up and pummeled to death - one of a myriad ways Spider-Man can win easily, while maintaining Captain America can win blah blah blah etcetera without being able to answer the simple question:
Give me a plausible and probable means by which Captain America wins? What does he do?...that doesn't involve Spider-Man fighting like he has the mental capacity of you or Rainman. [/B]
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Hmmm after staying up on all these arguments for the last few days, I'm going to have to agree with Affheim on this, not totally, but on some points.When your talking about guys like Taskmaster, Black Panther, Shang Chi, and of Course Capt, These guys are Martial Arts Gods, They are greater then any Martial artist to ever exist on the planet earth, its like being Bruce lee, jet lee, Steven segul, jackie chan, and chuck norris all at the same time [b]x10.
The fact that Cap can master a martial a technique in minutes is a superpower in itself, it takes real life martial artist years, and sometimes their entire lives to master a single style or technique. Cap is a Tactics god, he has military and martial arts training in terms of combat strategy and tactics. Peter, although very smart and combat worthy, is nothing compared to someone of Captain Americas Caliber in Combat strategy and adjusting on the fly, yes I said it, NOTHING. Which is why cap is/was leader and not spidey.
People are getting Science logic, which is how guys like spidey and Reed win their fights, confused with Combat Logic, which is what guys like Cap excel at.
Cap is similar to Black Panther, Their mind is there greatest weapon in combat, always thinking 3 steps ahead, knowing what there opponent is going to do next, its almost reading their mind by watching their movements and knowing their foes next most logical move to better their position in a fight, only thing is, cap already had figured out what his foe was going to try to do 10 seconds ago.
Yes everybody argues for Spideys speed and agility, I know he is an agility god and he has speed to match, but guys like cap, are not that outmatched when it comes to this. In Civil war 1 Cap jumped out of window onto a moving jet, OMG, that in itself would give spidey a degree of difficulty to perform.
Cap is capable of sprinting 60 miles per hour, and can probably go faster if he exerted himself with maximum effort for a short burst. Check the Guinness book of world records, the fastest human to ever recorded ran 27mph. The world record in the mile is 3:43 sec. Cap runs a mile in just over a minute 😐
My point is, its going to take the human race (real life) probably 100,000 years before our evolution decides to catch up with Capitan America. We all sit here and say (and i was once guilty of this also) "man he is just peak human, blah, blah blah, whats he gonna do?". Have you ever met a man that was the Pinnacle of human perfection? If Captain America was a real man in real life he would be "Superhuman" in all its meaning.
Spidy is dangerous because of his strength and webbing, his speed and agility can be handled, as it has been by countless other street levelers who excel in combat logic. I mean this isnt Quicksilver+Mr Fantastic here.
Another thing I wanted to bring up (and I think this was addressed either in this Thread or another) is Cap is hitting with much more then 800lb of force, I heard there was a scan of him benching 2,200lbs, if thats the case he hits with much harder force then that. Think about it....
Your average Martial artist doesn't do much weight training, yet they hit twice as hard as a man who does lift weights with no combat training, its because they know how to throw a punch or how to throw a kick, I saw this martial arts show on History channel (love that channel) and they were using a machine with a pad connected to it to gauge how much force someone was striking someone with, and one guy was kicking with over 2500 pounds of force, that is, "like getting hit with a car" exact words form the narrator. On top of this, the guy hitting the pad could'nt of been more then 5"8 maybe 5"9, 160lbs. Crazy.
Now imagine Cap, not only one of the greatest martial artist in comics, but possibly the most perfect in terms of human perfection, how hard do you think his punches hit, how hard do you think his kicks hit?
Now spidey is class 15-20, yet I guarantee you his punches and kicks hit with WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY less force then that. His style is unorthodox, unchecked, it has no technique, no efficiency, with guys like Cap, every punch means something. With spidey his punches and kicks are "unsupervised", so to say, and what saves his ass from this poor style of fighting is his speed and agility. If spiderman had no superstrength, his punches and kicks would feel like feathers to some of our top street levelers, do to the fact that he really "doesn't" know how to throw a punch. He is always flipping upside down, doing a twisting back hand spring with a somersault and throws out a punch or kick and the process that hits with a few tons of force, heck and that might be pushing it. Without his strength, that same unchecked kick would hit with only a few 100lbs of force, if that, yup, true story. And dont get me wrong if spiderman were to stand toe to toe with cap and throw his hardest class 20+ punch, cap would probably be in the hospital real quick, but the day he decides to stop flipping around and go toe to toe with cap, is when Pete goes down hard, verily.
I think Ive said my part, And I'm only arguing this because I realized that Peak humans in comics do not exist in real life, and wont for quite some time. So who are we to put checks and balances on what Cap can do, (Although Im still not 100% with that whole hitting a missle thing) if he has proven capable of it, hey, just accept it for what it is and move on. Until you meet the Pinnacle of human Perfection in real life, a man who has benched 2,200lbs, ran 60mph, has near unlimited stamina, and can roll with lasers, then you can tell me what he can and cannot do.
And for those of you who think Im saying cap will take the majority Im not, Im just saying he has a much better chance then most of you are giving him. [/B]
Very nice post. I'm impressed. Obviously a lot of time and careful thought went into this. But you are wrong on some points. Spider-Man is not an idiot, he actually has a pretty good idea of combat and tactics, something Cap has eluded to in the past. I admit he is nothing in comparison to Cap but he's no slouch.
This talk about Peter's style. I don't how how many times I have to emphasize this but lets try again. Spider-Man has his own fighting style that works with his powers. All that "flipping around" has a purpose, as does his endless rambling. One can even argue that since one of his powers is the ability to achieve perfect equilibrium he can throw perfect punches since he'll never have to worry about positioning or being off balance.
Also, your math is a bit off. I've seen fight science and the "perfect punch" was thrown by a boxer at about 2000 pounds per square inch. He's a big guy, about 6"2' and 225 pounds if I had to guess. Thats already close to Cap's size and if you raise that to compensate Cap's strength, least say magnified by 10 we get 20000 pounds of force. Spider-man is still throw 40000 pounds, more than twice what Cap can generate and thats not factoring his balance and the added power he'd get by factoring power from his super strong legs, hips etc. So in reality Spidey would still be punching multiples more than Cap.
yo apolloknight ----cap can bench 1100lbs not 2200lbs (1ton) .he'd shit himself trying to lift it he ain't superhuman remember just enchanced peak human
spidey can bench 44092lbs which is 20 tons..thats 40 times more than cap at 1100lbs btw im not saying that his max but it definately is not 2200lbs(1 ton) ..spideys max is 20tons+ cause we seen some teh crap he can do under stress
cap can cant do 60 mph .is under 60mph his max with all effort is most likely 60mph not over
how fast woudl that make spidey.........umm.......100mph+ i mean think about it spidey's 15 times greater(even though i read he is 40 times greater) than an average human assume normal human speed is 10mph (thats still low) spidey can breeze 100mph if he ran full speed at cap at punched him .......KO/dead no hospital involved
and what do you mean he his punches are not hitting 20tons how do you know that ...you dont need to knwo martail arts to hit your maxiumum benching ability,
jus cause he will not use his full strength does not mean he is incapable unless writers have him will lower his strength to the point where he as little advantage or equal strength to ensure he does not kill his opponent
