Originally posted by Apolloknight
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I mean, I will only ask one more time, How, is Spidey going to land that class 20 punch on Cap, when Cap is is Superior in H2H.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
So Spidey punches faster then bullets now...........
No. Does he have to? Given his abilities, Cap can only dodge bullets with the help of "creative" writing.
Besides, Spidey dodges bullets far easier, so according to your logic, Captain shouldn't be able to hit him.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
😆Please tell me how spidey is going to hit Cap with a full strength punch. I cant wait to here this.
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Originally posted by Apolloknight
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I mean, I will only ask one more time, How, is Spidey going to land that class 20 punch on Cap, when Cap is is Superior in H2H.
1. Far faster than you.
2. Far stronger than you.
3. Far more more durable than you.
4. Far more versatile than you.
5. Far smarter than you.
6. Has a far greater reach than you.
In that first scan, considering their VAST speed difference, Spidey should have been able to to at least 5 different things before Cap's fist ever made contact.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
So Spidey punches faster then bullets now...........
Originally posted by Alfheim
Duh, yeah I know, but it showed Cap can fight Spidey;.
Of course Cap can fight him. The problem lies in your thinking he can beat him.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Are you aware that before the fight Cap tryed to make peace with Spidey? Also Cap talked to Spiderman and told Spiderman he knew how he felt. So you think that sounds like some one who is going to enjoy beating up people mindlessley let alone a friend like Spiderman..
And then Cap decided to fight him. Cap is the type of character who will fight you if he has to. Just like he did to Hank in NA. Cap was definitely not holding back.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Not this excuse...again..
Whether you accept it or not is up to you but until you can prove otherwise my argument still stands
Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats why Spiderman said he was numb below the waist.
And thats why we see nothing to suggest that is true. He is moving quite well afterwards IIRC
Originally posted by Apolloknight
So Spidey punches faster then bullets now...........
Dude the way most street levelers dodge bullets is that they look at the direction of the barrell and move out of the way before the bullets are fired. This is as opposed to Spider-Man who can literally see a bullet coming at him and then dodge. You really can't possibly be trying to compare the speed of both characters
Originally posted by Dinalfos
No. Does he have to? Given his abilities, Cap can only dodge bullets with the help of "creative" writing.Besides, Spidey dodges bullets far easier, so according to your logic, Captain shouldn't be able to hit him.
I can tell you read my post a few pages back, I will ask you, introduce me to a man who is the pinnacle of human perfection, far greater then any Olympic athlete that has ever competed. Has near limitless stamina, can sprint at 60 miles per hour and yes, can hit with several tons of force.
Then after I meet him, I want to see what he can do. What a minute, whats that, you cant, because their is no human on earth who is the pinnacle of human perfection, so that way we will never know what he can do. Funny, so why are we putting limits on something we know nothing about.......ahhh, thats the human mind for ya. Ignorant to stuff which they know nothing of.
Originally posted by Accel
Turn invisible with his new suit and use his far superior agility and speed to get behind Cap. Not even Cap can defend against something like that.H2H is really the ONLY category he's superior at here. However, that doesn't make a difference when your opponent is:
1. Far faster than you.
2. Far stronger than you.
3. Far more more durable than you.
4. Far more versatile than you.
5. Far smarter than you.
6. Has a far greater reach than you.In that first scan, considering their VAST speed difference, Spidey should have been able to to at least 5 different things before Cap's fist ever made contact.
Any body can apparently, as street-levelers always seem to have much more difficulties dodging their opponent's punches and kicks but they can dodge bullets like nothing.
Spiderman is far more agile than cap yes 15 time more then the normal human, but cap ain't normal. Spidey is also stronger then cap, but cap can also hit with several tons of force, Spidey can get shot in the head and die, yes he is more durable then cap but not by much, cap withstood a building falling on him and has been used as a wreaking ball.
Spidey is only more versatile because of his equipment. And whats this, spidey is more combat Worthy than cap, CAPTAIN AMERICAN, spidey a photographer and scientist is more combat smart then CAP, man who is the leader of the avengers again?
Sigh, Spidey speed is not 15 times greater then a human, again, go read any profile it will tell you so, 15 time more agile. Agility and speed are two different things, yes spidey might be slightly faster then cap, but I have never seen spidey run at 150mph before, sorry.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Spiderman is far more agile than cap yes 15 time more then the normal human, but cap ain't normal.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Spidey is also stronger then cap, but cap can also hit with several tons of force,
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Spidey can get shot in the head and die,
Originally posted by Apolloknight
yes he is more durable then cap but not by much,
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Spidey is only more versatile because of his equipment.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
And whats this, spidey is more combat Worthy than cap, CAPTAIN AMERICAN, spidey a photographer and scientist is more combat smart then CAP, man who is the leader of the avengers again?
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Sigh, Spidey speed is not 15 times greater then a human, again, go read any profile it will tell you so, 15 time more agile.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I can tell you read my post a few pages back, I will ask you, introduce me to a man who is the pinnacle of human perfection, far greater then any Olympic athlete that has ever competed. Has near limitless stamina, can sprint at 60 miles per hour and yes, can hit with several tons of force.Then after I meet him, I want to see what he can do. What a minute, whats that, you cant, because their is no human on earth who is the pinnacle of human perfection, so that way we will never know what he can do. Funny, so why are we putting limits on something we know nothing about.......ahhh, thats the human mind for ya. Ignorant to stuff which they know nothing of.
Real world human perfection really can't be that far ahead of what we've known so far. Perfection isn't necessarily about growth, it's about the number athletic qualities your body is capable of. There's definitely a limit to what we can archieve in terms of strength, agility, stamina or speed. However, one can only be called a peak human when you excel in all of these categories, proportionate to your weight and height.
I already acknowledged that everything in the MU is amped to certain degree. That's not really the problem. The problem is that they make Captain something he cannot be. It's really just lousy writing. Nothing more. Captain America, like Wolverine, conveniantly adapts to the type of enemie he's fighting. For example, he's had trouble with Punisher, who's never been a match for a non-jobbing Spiderman. This isn't ABC-logic, I'm just trying to make a point.
Marvel should just stop screwing around and apply their own basic rules on their characters. I can understand that you dont't want an iconic character to look bad, but at least make them fight opponents who are on their level. Because as I've said before, even in the Marvel Universe there's a clear distinction between human and superhuman. Cap is a human. That should end this debate, since these hypothetical fights are based on real world ratio(meaning without PIS) and standards.
Originally posted by Accel
I already said Cap outclasses Peter in H2H. You pit Steve vs Peter with no powers or weapons and Peter is doomed. However, as I said, Peter WITH his powers outclasses Cap in all other areas, so superior H2H will not make a difference.
Yes even still people tend to forgot about caps mind, which is far greater to pete in every aspect. How hard is it to believe that Cap can hang with spidey? Not very, I mean just look at the on panel evidence, Spidey himself said that Cap is fast and powerful, Spiderman, not me, said he didn't realize how fast and powerful Cap was, he said his entire style and movements, were simply one fluid assault, he had to put some distance between him and Cap because he had no chance in H2H.
Im sorry but your entire argument is nullified by on panel evidence. Cap is Spideys superior in H2H. FACT. Does Spidey have more ways to beat cap, Sure, why not, I can admit that, Heck spidey even takes the majority, I've never denied that. But it still doesn't change the fact Cap is fast enough to keep up with Spidey.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Real world human perfection really can't be that far ahead of what we've known so far. Perfection isn't necessarily about growth, it's about the number athletic qualities your body is capable of. There's definitely a limit to what we can archieve in terms of strength, agility, stamina or speed. However, one can only be called a peak human when you excel in all of these categories, proportionate to your weight and height.I already acknowledged that everything in the MU is amped to certain degree. That's not really the problem. The problem is that they make Captain something he cannot be. It's really just lousy writing. Nothing more. Captain America, like Wolverine, conveniantly adapts to the type of enemie he's fighting. For example, he's had trouble with Punisher, who's never been a match for a non-jobbing Spiderman. This isn't ABC-logic, I'm just trying to make a point.
Marvel should just stop screwing around and apply their own basic rules on their characters. I can understand that you dont't want an iconic character to look bad, but at least make them fight opponents who are on their level. Because as I've said before, even in the Marvel Universe there's a clear distinction between human and superhuman. Cap is a human. That should end this debate, since these hypothetical fights are based on real world ratio(meaning without PIS) and standards.
You could of just said,
"Cap is Human he cant win" all that extra shit to make it look good was complete was of my life reading it.
So what do you call it when Spiderman has had trouble with Streetlevelers his ENTIRE life, hmm, please tell me, is it all PIS? Or maybe, its the fact, that he just doesnt know how to fight. Funny how everything is PIS that you see fit, yet Caps high end showing are irrelevant, because he is "just Human".
You said Cap doesn't have many high end feats, I suggest you go check out the Cap respect, I just browsed Through it myself, cap has some pretty impressive, constant showings.
And by the way, umm, 3.43 secs is the world record in the mile, cap runs it in over a minute, 60 mile per hour sprints, world record 27, Cap benches 1,100+++ lbs.
Sorry, but we are NO where near Caps level of human Perfection.
Originally posted by Soleran
So retarded, I have yet to see you counter how cap could survive a punch from a guy as strong as spiderman with no holding back.
I think you should go check the Cap Respect, he has survived far worse then Spidermans Punches, Also, I gave you two scans of Cap pwning pete in H2H, Im not the one who cant comprehend On panel evidence, yet Im retarded. 🙄
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I think you should go check the Cap Respect, he has survived far worse then Spidermans Punches, Also, I gave you two scans of Cap pwning pete in H2H, Im not the one who cant comprehend On panel evidence, yet Im retarded. 🙄
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I think you should go check the Cap Respect, he has survived far worse then Spidermans Punches, Also, I gave you two scans of Cap pwning pete in H2H, Im not the one who cant comprehend On panel evidence, yet Im retarded. 🙄
Yes you are, but remember you said it🙂 Yet once again if I go back to forum rules Spiderman only has to hit CA one time its over after that.
Its funny you say you are a boxer and martial artist yet you overlook this HUGELY disparaging difference in powers. 100lbs in lifting power generates a significant power difference to the tune of the underdog is schooled with relative skill. Now amp that a thousand fold andyou want to dispute skill, whatever.
Originally posted by Soleran
Yes you are, but remember you said it🙂 Yet once again if I go back to forum rules Spiderman only has to hit CA one time its over after that.Its funny you say you are a boxer and martial artist yet you overlook this HUGELY disparaging difference in powers. 100lbs in lifting power generates a significant power difference to the tune of the underdog is schooled with relative skill. Now amp that a thousand fold andyou want to dispute skill, whatever.
Look, I cant help it petes been the victim of Random Streetleveler crubstomps his entire life, I didnt write it, but marvel just wants to prove one thing.
Skill=Superpowers. Its simple, Spidey doesnt have as much Skill or Combat logic as cap, yet cap still is a match for him. I did not say Cap is powerful enough to hurt spidey or fast enough to keep up, Spiderman did, heck, argue with marvel if you dont like it, but it is fact that Cap can keep up with Spidey, sorry. I cant make you accept it and I wont try, its up to you.
Also with me being a boxer I know Skill can match Physical attributes any day of the week, 🙂 . I know very good and well that skill more times then you think, will defeat Physical attributes. 30-35 year old men hanging with us 20-26 year olds, should be impossible, we are faster, stronger, quicker, more powerful, yet they suck us in and heck, sometimes tool us. Cant be helped, they are that Good, just like cap.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I can tell you read my post a few pages back, I will ask you, introduce me to a man who is the pinnacle of human perfection, far greater then any Olympic athlete that has ever competed. Has near limitless stamina, can sprint at 60 miles per hour and yes, can hit with several tons of force.Then after I meet him, I want to see what he can do. What a minute, whats that, you cant, because their is no human on earth who is the pinnacle of human perfection, so that way we will never know what he can do. Funny, so why are we putting limits on something we know nothing about.......ahhh, thats the human mind for ya. Ignorant to stuff which they know nothing of.
This is the single most riduculous argument I have ever heard. We can't put any limits on Cap cause we don't know what he can do? wtf?! So I guess Cap can beat Galactus now since we don't know the limits of his power. Thats bs. As someone who read both Captain America and Spider-Man monthly its not too hard to get a general understanding Cap's capabilities. Your either deluding yourself or else just doesn't know much about Captain America
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Spiderman is far more agile than cap yes 15 time more then the normal human, but cap ain't normal. Spidey is also stronger then cap, but cap can also hit with several tons of force, Spidey can get shot in the head and die, yes he is more durable then cap but not by much, cap withstood a building falling on him and has been used as a wreaking ball.
Spidey is only more versatile because of his equipment. And whats this, spidey is more combat Worthy than cap, CAPTAIN AMERICAN, spidey a photographer and scientist is more combat smart then CAP, man who is the leader of the avengers again?
Captain America may be the pinnacle of human potential but he still HUMAN. If you don't get that then I don't see the point in carrying on this discussion further
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Sigh, Spidey speed is not 15 times greater then a human, again, go read any profile it will tell you so, 15 time more [b]agile. Agility and speed are two different things, yes spidey might be slightly faster then cap, but I have never seen spidey run at 150mph before, sorry. [/B]
No, Spider-Man has been said to be up to 40x faster at one point but at least 15x faster is the accepted norm
Captain America took hits from Iron-Man in his new armor (100 ton+ guy). He wasnt knocked out, everyone can scream PIS! PIS! but that just makes you look stupid because Cap takes that kind of damage consistently.
Until I see scans of Spidey taking out Captain America H2H. Im gonna stick with Cap beating Spidey H2H.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Also with me being a boxer I know Skill can match Physical attributes any day of the week, 🙂 . I know very good and well that skill more times then you think, will defeat Physical attributes. 30-35 year old men hanging with us 20-26 year olds, should be impossible, we are faster, stronger, quicker, more powerful, yet they suck us in and heck, sometimes tool us. Cant be helped, they are that Good, just like cap.
Once again Spiderman isn't on the same "level" as us. Comparing 26 year olds to 35 year olds is nothing like saying 20 tons of lifting power and speed. Thats what you need to grasp. It will only take 1 hit for Spiderman to win one hit, think about it.
As a pugalist I don't like those odds they are WAY against me, if someone can get a one punch victory odds are strongly in their favor.
Originally posted by thedude1948
Captain America took hits from Iron-Man in his new armor (100 ton+ guy). He wasnt knocked out, everyone can scream PIS! PIS! but that just makes you look stupid because Cap takes that kind of damage consistently.Until I see scans of Spidey taking out Captain America H2H. Im gonna stick with Cap beating Spidey H2H.
Dude, did Iron Man even look like he was trying?! Lets not gasp at straws. Tony was BARELY hitting him and he was getting the crap kicked out of him.
And please show me how Cap consistently takes this kind of damage. I've seen Cap taken down from kicks, punches, being struck from the behin or gun-butted. Doesn't added up to super-human durability if you ask me
