cap vs spider-man

Originally posted by marvelprince
This is the single most riduculous argument I have ever heard. We can't put any limits on Cap cause we don't know what he can do? wtf?! So I guess Cap can beat Galactus now since we don't know the limits of his power. Thats bs. As someone who read both Captain America and Spider-Man monthly its not too hard to get a general understanding Cap's capabilities. Your either deluding yourself or else just doesn't know much about Captain America

Captain America may be the pinnacle of human potential but he still HUMAN. If you don't get that then I don't see the point in carrying on this discussion further

No, Spider-Man has been said to be up to 40x faster at one point but at least 15x faster is the accepted norm

Well if you want to believe cap can take out Galactus thats fine by me. Its your opinion friend. But if you truly do read Cap then you would know class 20 punches, well, hes handle quite a bit More then that before, scream PIS if you must be he has constant showing of it, and well, if you just take a stroll into the Cap Respect you would see for yourself.

And although cap is just human, he is far beyond the scope of what any human could hope to be for tens of thousands of years to come. Its like I said earlier, we've have never met a man like Cap in real life, so how do you know what he is capable of, of what he can do. Ask Terrel owens, or Lebron James, or Micheal Johnson so go jump out of a window onto a moving jet.

Ok look at it like this, 40x faster average man runs 10mph, Spidey runs 400mph, right 🙄 . Acceptable, Spidey runs 150mph, right 🙄

Hmm, strange to me Spidey has never shown this type of speed before. 😕

Edit: 1000 this calls for a celebration!!!!!!!!!1

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Yes even still people tend to forgot about caps mind, which is far greater to pete in every aspect. How hard is it to believe that Cap can hang with spidey? Not very, I mean just look at the on panel evidence, Spidey himself said that Cap is fast and powerful, [b]Spiderman, not me, said he didn't realize how fast and powerful Cap was, he said his entire style and movements, were simply one fluid assault, he had to put some distance between him and Cap because he had no chance in H2H.

Im sorry but your entire argument is nullified by on panel evidence. Cap is Spideys superior in H2H. FACT. Does Spidey have more ways to beat cap, Sure, why not, I can admit that, Heck spidey even takes the majority, I've never denied that. But it still doesn't change the fact Cap is fast enough to keep up with Spidey.

You could of just said,

"Cap is Human he cant win" all that extra shit to make it look good was complete was of my life reading it.

So what do you call it when Spiderman has had trouble with Streetlevelers his ENTIRE life, hmm, please tell me, is it all PIS? Or maybe, its the fact, that he just doesnt know how to fight. Funny how everything is PIS that you see fit, yet Caps high end showing are irrelevant, because he is "just Human".

You said Cap doesn't have many high end feats, I suggest you go check out the Cap respect, I just browsed Through it myself, cap has some pretty impressive, constant showings.

And by the way, umm, 3.43 secs is the world record in the mile, cap runs it in over a minute, 60 mile per hour sprints, world record 27, Cap benches 1,100+++ lbs.

Sorry, but we are NO where near Caps level of human Perfection. [/B]

"All that extra shit" was to get through to you. Which is impossible, apparantly. I never said anything about Cap's feats. I know he has them, that's what this whole fuzz is about! Captain does things he really can't, unless Marvel(and that seems to be the case) doesn't give a rat's ass what their characters do, as long as it looks cool. Cap's running speed does indeed supercede that of normal humans. So logically speaking, this amplification goes for Spiderman as well. This means that Spiderman is faster, stronger and more agile than a real world equivalent of himself. Again, all of this is not the problem. The problem is that characters like Spiderman are seemingly depowered or start acting remarkably stupid when Cap is around. Why? Just to make things "interesting".

And no, Spiderman has has a lot CIS showings. That's why street levelers sometimes get the best of him. Because he has a tendency to underrate them or just to clown around. Peter is sometimes too lighthearted and cheery in nature, which makes him careless and foolish. It's inherent to the character, so it could happen in a comic. But not in these hypothetical fights. Here, he his supposed to be bloodlusted and free of CIS/PIS. And when that's the case, Captain doesn't stand a chance in hell. Not without stipulations anyway. I have no problem with Spidey making an ass out of himself and geting his ass kicked in the process. But as soon as Captain or Daredevil start leveling up to his level While Spiderman himself is fighting seriously and to the best of his ability, then it's time to cry PIS.

Btw, I was assuming you were talking about OUR human perfection, not Marvel's interpretation of it.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Dude, did Iron Man even look like he was trying?! Lets not gasp at straws. Tony was BARELY hitting him and he was getting the crap kicked out of him.

And please show me how Cap consistently takes this kind of damage. I've seen Cap taken down from kicks, punches, being struck from the behin or gun-butted. Doesn't added up to super-human durability if you ask me

Iron Man didnt look like he was trying? he looks the same every panel his armor doesnt make any expressions. How do you know he was barely hitting him? you are just making things up now.

And to the last part every character that has been around for 50+ years has some low showings.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Iron Man didnt [B]look like he was trying? he looks the same every panel his armor doesnt make any expressions. You are just reaching for things that arent there. how do you know he was barely hitting him? you are just making things up now.

And to the last part every character that has been around for 50+ years has some low showings. [/B]

Because if he has class 100 strength then its obvious he is holding back. Captain America doesn't sit around looking to take hulk punch's etc etc

Originally posted by Dinalfos
" So logically speaking, this amplification goes for Spiderman as well. This means that Spiderman is faster, stronger and more agile than a real world equivalent of himself.

I lost you right here dog, I think I'm done for the day, got some learning at the gym to do, hopefully I can increase my skill so my physical attributes can match those of the older guys training us.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I lost you right here dog, I think I'm done for the day, got some learning at the gym to do, hopefully I can increase my skill so my physical attributes can match those of the older guys training us.

You're gonna have to be consequent about amplification, otherwise the whole distinction between human and superhuman becomes pointless. And since Marvel appears to keep the human physical hierarchy of the real world more or less in tact, it's safe to assume that EVERYTHING in the MU is more powerful. Including Spiderman.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
You're gonna have to be consequent about amplification, otherwise the whole distinction between human and superhuman becomes pointless. And since Marvel appears to keep the human physical hierarchy of the real world more or less in tact, it's safe to assume that EVERYTHING in the MU is more powerful. Including Spiderman.

Look dude you just don't get it, you don't get it at all.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Yes even still people tend to forgot about caps mind, which is far greater to pete in every aspect. How hard is it to believe that Cap can hang with spidey? Not very, I mean just look at the on panel evidence, Spidey himself said that Cap is fast and powerful, [b]Spiderman, not me, said he didn't realize how fast and powerful Cap was, he said his entire style and movements, were simply one fluid assault, he had to put some distance between him and Cap because he had no chance in H2H.[/B]

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Im sorry but your entire argument is nullified by on panel evidence. Cap is Spideys superior in H2H. FACT. Does Spidey have more ways to beat cap, Sure, why not, I can admit that, Heck spidey even takes the majority, I've never denied that. But it still doesn't change the fact Cap is fast enough to keep up with Spidey.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
So what do you call it when Spiderman has had trouble with Streetlevelers his ENTIRE life, hmm, please tell me, is it all PIS? Or maybe, its the fact, that he just doesnt know how to fight.

It's because of that that several of Pete's fights are indeed PIS, depending on who he's fighting- like when he doesn't just one-shot Doc Oct when he lands a punch. It's no different than the fact that Flash hardly uses his speed correctly or that Thor rarely uses his hammer correctly.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Well if you want to believe cap can take out Galactus thats fine by me. Its your opinion friend. But if you truly do read Cap then you would know class 20 punches, well, hes handle quite a bit More then that before, scream PIS if you must be he has constant showing of it, and well, if you just take a stroll into the Cap Respect you would see for yourself.

And although cap is just human, he is far beyond the scope of what any human could hope to be for tens of thousands of years to come. Its like I said earlier, we've have never met a man like Cap in real life, so how do you know what he is capable of, of what he can do. Ask Terrel owens, or Lebron James, or Micheal Johnson so go jump out of a window onto a moving jet.

Ok look at it like this, 40x faster average man runs 10mph, Spidey runs 400mph, right 🙄 . Acceptable, Spidey runs 150mph, right 🙄

Hmm, strange to me Spidey has never shown this type of speed before. 😕

Edit: 1000 this calls for a celebration!!!!!!!!!1

Because everthing in the Cap respect details everything that occurs in Cap's series on a month-to-month basis. Yea, rite. Just how everything from in there is recent and up to date. I already pointed out how Cap is a human in MU cause in the MU the bar for human potential is higher than it is in the real world. Its not a hard concept to understand. Can you point out an instance where Spider-man has flat out ran and had his speed measured? If not then I don't see how you can say anything about his speed

Originally posted by thedude1948
Iron Man didnt [B]look like he was trying? he looks the same every panel his armor doesnt make any expressions. How do you know he was barely hitting him? you are just making things up now.

And to the last part every character that has been around for 50+ years has some low showings. [/B]

Common sense has reeally gone extinct hasn't it? Iron Man is a character that has been shown to be 100+ tons. Do you really think Cap can stand a chance against that? And if you couldn't tell from the tone of ony's voice that he was regretful about the whole situation and obviously holding back then I suggest you reread the issue

Originally posted by marvelprince
Common sense has reeally gone extinct hasn't it? Iron Man is a character that has been shown to be 100+ tons. Do you really think Cap can stand a chance against that? And if you couldn't tell from the tone of ony's voice that he was regretful about the whole situation and obviously holding back then I suggest you reread the issue

Originally posted by marvelprince
Common sense has reeally gone extinct hasn't it? Iron Man is a character that has been shown to be 100+ tons. Do you really think Cap can stand a chance against that? And if you couldn't tell from the tone of ony's voice that he was regretful about the whole situation and obviously holding back then I suggest you reread the issue

It is obvious he wasnt trying to kill him but saying he wasnt trying isnt true. Why would he have choreographed every move Cap has made in a fight if he doesnt even need to try to beat him? and what about common sense?

Originally posted by badabing
Bro, you can't get through tp people who won't listen to reason. 🙁 Spider-Man can evade Venom but not street levelers. 😱

Originally posted by Alfheim
This is why I cant debate with you.....

Originally posted by Alfheim
What crtiteria are you using to judge what characters can do?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh I see so you're[B] not using the real world, you you're using the powerset in the comic book world.

Whoa....I thought you weren't using the real world.....Oh I see so now you are.

Hmmm....some one cannot read their own posts.[/B]

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
All the best martial artists in the real world die when hit by someone whose 20 times stronger than them.

Originally posted by Alfheim
All the best martial artists in the real world know how to punch, grapple and take damage from stronger opponents, in the MU this skill is taken to a highier level.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Get the **** out and dont come back until you can sort yourself out.

Originally posted by thedude1948
It is obvious he wasnt trying to kill him but saying he wasnt trying isnt true. Why would he have choreographed every move Cap has made in a fight if he doesnt even need to try to beat him? and what about common sense?

The condescending tone and the regretful demeanor are obvious signs of him not even trying. Just looks at the context.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Spider-Man just had his ass kicked by Captain America, and that was with Spider-Man attacking him first. Cap isnt just a random Street Leveler. Do you people understand? they fought Spider-Man had his ass kicked.

And yet Spider-Man was taking down Cap, Patriot and others in CW3 without breaking a sweat. Again how did Cap kick Spider-Man's ass. The dialogue made it seem like Cap was on top but who standing at the end, didn't Cap lose his shield too? How exactly is that Cap kicking Spider-man's ass?

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Yeah, Spidey wins with his superior strength, speed, agility, durability and Spider Sense.

Thank you bada. Finally some pics to prove our point

It won't matter to some people but I'm glad I could contribute Marvelprince. 😎

Originally posted by marvelprince
And yet Spider-Man was taking down Cap, Patriot and others in CW3 without breaking a sweat. Again how did Cap kick Spider-Man's ass. The dialogue made it seem like Cap was on top but who standing at the end, didn't Cap lose his shield too? How exactly is that Cap kicking Spider-man's ass?

you mean by getting hit in the face from a cap fist and sent flying back airborn in a "spread eagle" yeah... brilliant winning strategy that was... 🙄

Originally posted by Alfheim
Look that is a waste of time. Those scans dont mean jack because I can then get a scan of Spiderman getting beaten up by Taskmaster. Apparently according to Metalmanx that incident in the first scan never actually happened.