cap vs spider-man · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

marvelprince Illuminati Founder

Originally posted by Apolloknight
And you think Spiderman fans want to see their hero get beat? Heck Spidermans Marvels Flagship. Freaking it was all over the news (real life) that he unmasked, kinda of a big deal I would say, just look how well his movies are doing.
Why would marvel have their flagship, their money cow, a guy who arguably has the most fans in comicdon, get beat by Cap if it wasn't possible?
Interesting...

There are so many factors to consider in that fight. I know people don't like to hear it but Peter was holding back, I'm sorry, but thats how he always does it get over it. Secondly, he idolizies Cap. Meaning he's gonna be seriously psyched out like he was when he fought Wolverine in their crossover. Next, he isn't even sure if he's fighting for the right side. I saw that fight as a more metaphorical one than physical cause I believe thats the way it was intended.

Both characters are very marketable, Spider-Man moreso but Cap is a big property. Marvel rarely ever lets one of its heroes beat another. Just look at history, even when the two combatants appear mismatched there is some plot device to make things even. Its the way things are

marvelprince Illuminati Founder

Originally posted by jinzin
wait.. so the superior showings that exist aren't good enough for you? figures... 🙄

Figured you didn't have any

Originally posted by jinzin
it's not just that fight they're using.. cap's punked spidey out TWICE during civil war and once before that.. AND he's put up another good fight before that... back in the early days in a cap/falcon comic.. and like soljer stated cap backed down a spidey bot that stalemated spidey because it knew it couldn't take him.
it's obviously marvel's idea that cap can compete with spidey.. but one pic of spidey getting a hit with webbing in a chaotic scenario is the standard in spite of all that?

I must be missing these other times. When else has Cap punked Spider-Man?

Originally posted by jinzin
first blood sure... but a little scrape on the face isn't really the "upper hand" especially considering when the explosion happened cap bounced faster than spiderman could think to move...

Cap without his shield and Spider-Man changing to more effective tactics doesn't seem like an upper hand to you? Figures

Originally posted by jinzin
uhh his shield which the webbing can't stick to.. or I dunno dodging it...
hell he's already done that.. so has taskmaster.. hell so has black cat for god's sakes.
he probably can't... spiderman will most likely always win in stealth mode if he stays in stealth mode.

I was careful to say net, as in a net larger that Cap's body. The shield must have gotten a serious upgrade to block all of his body

Dinalfos Lord Caco

Originally posted by Apolloknight
And you think Spiderman fans want to see their hero get beat? Heck Spidermans Marvels Flagship. Freaking it was all over the news (real life) that he unmasked, kinda of a big deal I would say, just look how well his movies are doing.
Why would marvel have their flagship, their money cow, a guy who arguably has the most fans in comicdon, get beat by Cap if it wasn't possible?
Interesting...

Nope, they don't. But they want to make it something of a match. Everybody knows that Spiderman is physically superior, so that's why they let Cap compensate in some half assed way. It happens with a lot of superheroes. Cap vs. Spiderman is like Wolverine vs. Spiderman or Thing vs. Hulk. Thing holds his own against Hulk, Wolverine sometimes bests Spiderman(although he's much more of a threat to Spiderman than Cap is). Spidey is not the type to own everyone, bringing us back to his personality.

And I'm not saying it isn't possible in comics. It obviously is. Doesn't make it right, though.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Dinalfos
You seem to forget that comic book rules should only be used if they are consistently applied in the comics.

like cap consistently taking it to spidey or to characters of spiderman calibur???

oh no that doesn't count right? 🙄

Originally posted by Dinalfos
We all know they are not. That's why we go purely by logic and reason.

purely on logic and reason.. spidey doesn't turn into spiderman from a radioactive spiderman bit.. he gets cancer.. or sick... or dies...

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Remember, no PIS, no CIS?

no.. the rules say no pis.. but pis is subjective.. what you think is good someone else may not... and cis IS NOT excempt from these debates unless otherwise stated... 😬

Originally posted by Dinalfos
They aren't switched off for nothing, you know.

well CIS isn't "switched off" AT ALL actually... 😐

PIS is again sbjective... it wouldn't be if marvel released a handbook on "marvels most PIS moments of the year" but they don't.. so PIS is based on opinions.. opinions are neither right nor wrong.. they are just opinions.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
And let us not forget bloodlust, which means fighting to the best of their abilities.

at the best of his abilities cap has given spiderman fits... 😬

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Cap's abilities alone are not enough against Spiderman. He needs the help of an ignorant writer or the boundaries of a scripted plot. Or his commercial status, for that matter. Without this, he can't compare to some of the opponents he faces.

"I don't like it, it didn't happen"

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Going by their powerset, yes. He can move faster than Cap can react.

going by their powerset?
spiderman is ONE level above cap in speed.. but he has no fighting skill he probably telegraphs every one of his hits... caps not human as you and I know humans to be so you can't say with any certainty AT ALL that spiderman can do that.. especially when there are half a dozen feats that prove otherwise.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Btw, Cap is said to be able to handle Spiderman because of his skills, not his necessarily his speed. If that's the case, then it makes even less sense.

if he wasn't fast enough to apply the skills they wouldn't matter.. 😐

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Iron Man having trouble with Captain tells you everything you need to know. Hulk vs. Gladiator, anyone?

hulk vs. gladiator is irrelivant.. and high end characters having problems with cap is again.. something that's consistent in marvel.. so...

keak da sneak Senior Member

uh cap was wining the fight before but spiderman doesnt loose fights so this is hardbut i will go with spidey

Mindship Snap out of it.

Remember, you can't spell Spider-Man w/o P I S.

Those scans are definitely of the "minimize the stronger guy's abilities -- unobtrusively, if possible -- so the weaker guy has a chance" school of comic writing.

Spider-Man 7/10...and this is with his old costume.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by marvelprince
Figured you didn't have any

again.. the evidence THAT EXISTS doesn't count.. 🙄 pffft...

Originally posted by marvelprince
I must be missing these other times. When else has Cap punked Spider-Man?

didn't I just name them for you? 😕

Originally posted by marvelprince
Cap without his shield and Spider-Man changing to more effective tactics doesn't seem like an upper hand to you? Figures

not until it's applied and PROVEN effective to the point of HAVING an upperhand.. otherwise it's just speculation...
spidey SURPRISED cap.. he even says cap wasn't ready for that... okay he got one SCRATCH off a surprise tactic... does that mean cap can't adapt and overcome? no.. doesn't mean he could either.. but all the same.. it was hardly an upperhand.

Originally posted by marvelprince
I was careful to say net, as in a net larger that Cap's body. The shield must have gotten a serious upgrade to block all of his body

ahh well... spidey could probably do that... but I don't see it happening a majority of the time.

keak da sneak Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindship
Remember, you can't spell Spider-Man w/o P I S.
Those scans are definitely of the "minimize the stronger guy's abilities -- unobtrusively, if possible -- so the weaker guy has a chance" school of comic writing.
Spider-Man 7/10...and this is with his old costume.

he is right cap really doesnt have any powers when u think bout it spiderman ia faster stronger and more durable and sexyer

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So then you mean bio's? Well there has to be caution and judgement when using those, I simply meant more along the lines of character statistics if that makes any sense. If I were to take these characters and write everything down on paper, who would look better, I would analyze, judge, and conclude these points against whoever I'm debating against.

Fair enough, but in the real world you have theory and practical. Theory does not always work out the way its supposed to on paper, thats why you have practical. As you probably know practical is application of theory. So I agree with you but we can't completely ignore the scans. To be quite honest though it is really tricky, I mean if the comic books consistently contradict the bios and handbooks I would go with the comic.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

1. He is the pinnacle of what a human can be.
2. Spiderman Idolizes him.
Well the pinnacle of what a human can be is usually judged around olympic level, anything beyond that is considered around superhuman level anyways. Lifting would be around 800, running would most likely be at around 35 mph. Which is why him running slightly slower than he throws his shield is crap. Unless it was in a dire situation, in which case he would do a superhuman feat even better than a normal human feat, since he is simply a step away from being a mild superhuman. Does that make sense? It isn't difficult for him to do anything superhuman for hte most part, he is just a peak human and therefore his gap from a Superhuman-level character like Spiderman is simply much greater.

Yesss but I kinda get the impression that he was far above the olympic standard. In the MU there is a massive gap between superhuman and olympic therefore you could plonk Cap just outside the superhuman standard, but because he is on the border sometimes he does do superhuman feats. Also there have been studies of what people like the Tibetan Monks can do, which is beyond the olympic standard. Yeah I know Cap is not a tibetan monk im just saying that even in the real world olympic is not the highest standard.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Again we have to be careful with the suspension of disbelief here, comics will amp the levels, but the Superhumans are amped as well. Bullets job, heroes save the day and do amazing things, that is well and fine, but in this forum he is still on a human level regardless.

Yes but you have to bare in mind that superhumans do not have extrodinary skills. Peak human + skill in MU = Superhuman. Thats why I belive that humans can hang with superhumans to an extent. they are just outside the superhuman range plus their skills get amped.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Like I said again I was talking about official stats more or less. Secondly comic books contradict themselves all the time, which is why I use discretion in those and use something more solid. If Wolverine is getting knocked out by DD, but is standing up to Namor in the same *month*, then something is very wrong there.

Ok.....

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Those are more or less outdated, however they don't exceed the suspension of disbelief that I mentioned earlier.

*mumbles* Im sure I could find more....

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

If Superman has senses so great that he can hear pin's drop EXTRAORDINARY distances away, and Batman sneaks up on him, then it is PIS. Simple. Consistency is not contingent upon PIS.

Ok fair enough since you put it that way, I agree. In principle though it implies weaker characters such as humans if they beat certain superhumans consistently in the comics these victories can be used as evidence.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

I agree, but it only goes so far. I hope you realize the difference between Batman and Superman is well, Super.

Well im not a DC man, but that would be like Cap going H2H with Gladiator.....ouch! But I would not compare Cap Vs Spiderman to Batman vs Superman.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Not necessarily in the comic versus forum, otherwise Flash should be hit by boomerangs in that case. Comics are meant to sell, these are writers, not doctors or even mathmeticians for that matter.

Yeah I agree but you keep giving examples of uber characters like Superman and the Flash, Spiderman is super but not that super.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
The examples are endless, it would seriously go on forever.

Yeah but not just with Cap..

Dinalfos Lord Caco

Originally posted by jinzin
like cap consistently taking it to spidey or to characters of spiderman calibur???
oh no that doesn't count right? 🙄
purely on logic and reason.. spidey doesn't turn into spiderman from a radioactive spiderman bit.. he gets cancer.. or sick... or dies...

It counts, but there are so many different showings for different characters that it's impossibly hard to tell. At least in this case it is. Especially since Cap's on panel abilities strongly fluctuate.

Ha, funny you should mention that, because Spidey's origin is among the most wildly critisized. Hell, even I believe it's beyond implausible. But you know pretty damn well that even fantasy pieces are bound by logic, even if they have to create their own. Internal logic is one of the most important things in all forms of art, comics are not exempt from this. And internal logic is exactly the problem comic books.

well CIS isn't "switched off" AT ALL actually... 😐
PIS is again sbjective... it wouldn't be if marvel released a handbook on "marvels most PIS moments of the year" but they don't.. so PIS is based on opinions.. opinions are neither right nor wrong.. they are just opinions.
at the best of his abilities cap has given spiderman fits... 😬

It's not literally off, but the subject is more or less covered with the Bloodlust rule.

Pis is often subjective, but not int this case. At the best of his abilities, Cap would lose the fight.

"I don't like it, it didn't happen"

🙄

going by their powerset?
spiderman is ONE level above cap in speed.. but he has no fighting skill he probably telegraphs every one of his hits... caps not human as you and I know humans to be so you can't say with any certainty AT ALL that spiderman can do that.. especially when there are half a dozen feats that prove otherwise.
if he wasn't fast enough to apply the skills they wouldn't matter.. 😐
hulk vs. gladiator is irrelivant.. and high end characters having problems with cap is again.. something that's consistent in marvel.. so...

One level is really quite a margin. Even still, Spiderman obviously has his own fighting skills. IF you want to go by panels(which is good in this case), then you would also know that his skills are developed around his supernatural powers. I would say that it isn't a real skill, because it doesn't really take much training to perform the acrobatics and stuff. But it does take training and experience to create a deadly offensive cocktail out of them. And Spidey's got enough experience of his own.

Also, his higher showings generally dwarf those of Captain America.

Why is Hulk vs. Gladiator irrelevant? It's not. Anyway, it's funny. Because Thing didn't have a problem with Wolverine on at least one occasion. Nor did Juggernaut. Doesn't sound very consistent to me. But let's say for argument's sake that it is, how would that qualify as reasonable?

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That's not why, I just see the coorelation you pulled to be incongruent with the rest of your point.

Ok this point has been dealt with. Batman creeping up on Superman is PIS

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

So now you are saying that talented humans beating superhumans is SvFl?

No the rules indirectly imply that it can be done, but the example was bad.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

lol, I don't think I have the problem here.

No you dont have a problem.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

No, that is not my style at all. I believe in going with the rules, especially since the rules imply logic. You can always adjust the thread for more stipulations.

Fair enough, you are alot more consistent than other people I have debated with.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

How come?

Well he's not using his head. He should put on stealth mode and then fight because that will make him more difficult to see.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Well, how else would you explain it?

Well first of all some of these characters he fights are not popular, for example The Enforcers. Im sorry Spiderman is not a heavy weight, so for me it is believable that he can be beaten by street levelers if it happens over and over again. Like I said that does not happen to the Hulk, because it is an established fact in the Mu street levelers can hang with people on Spiderman's level. I think to an extent you have to use the rules of the MU.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Hulk shouldn't be getting beat by many Street Levelers at all, unless they have a plot device or it is some bad bad writing. Horrid.

Ok.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Thor won't use his godblast against him to defeat him. SS can simply drain his gamma out, but that would usually make the comic look bad. So it won't happen and it will be simply left as a nonconclusive match.

Right.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

I'm not saying he shouldn't have any problems with him, but simply in this forum, fighting to the best of his abilities, is quite different, particularly since he doesn't usually fight like that in his comics.

Ok..

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

I agree with that, but I was wondering what you thought. But Spiderman has a precognitive sense and 20x reflexes, you would be surprised with what he could dodge.

Yeah im just saying Spiderman also does stuff that he should not be able to do either.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

She's class 80, her durability alone is enough to eat Cap for breakfast.

*mumble* in theory....yes

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Doesn't matter, toe to toe Cap couldn't really do much to Brock, I'm talking about Cap in general, not Street Levelers, because Cap matches most street levelers.

Who venom?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Like the Sinister Six??

Sorry was that a question?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Look at this for a second. Spider-man has held back his punches to the point of flicking his wrist and knocking people out, utterly, coldly out. He's swatted Wolverine back 20 feet or so (I'm using this for a strength example), Cap weighs about 220, his weight to Spiderman's, is about 1/200 of his lifting strength. You take into account the velocity at which Spiderman moves, his density of his body and the proficiency of his attack (which is most likely concussive), and you apply it to a part of Steve's body, and he's in serious trouble, not only from the initial impact. But the reverbration of his internal organs against his skeleton.
Covered this, SPiderman would be amped the same.

Well Cap has dislocated a guys shoulder just by touching it...well something like that. Well to an extent Spiderman will be amped in the sense that he sould not be able to dodge lasers with 15x human reflexes. What I disagree with is this, humans compensate for their lack of powers with skills. Martial arts can teach you how to sustain damage and since Cap's skills get amped that could help. This is why Spiderman has powers and Cap is a martial arts expert.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

If you are talking about Realism, that is not what I mean, I mean logic, or reason for inference.

Ok you know what im going to sleep on this point, because im actually rushing to finish off this post and if I answer it now I wont do it justice.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

I meant to get to this point with you as I hadn't gotten the chance to... What do you see this out of ten for Cap anyways?

Well offically 10/10 if he uses stealth mode...and I dont see why he would not. No stealth mode I give it to Spiderman 7/10. No Iron suit I give it 5/10 to Cap.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Spiderman is simply more likely to dodge and hurt them more severly give his extensive powerset, physical advantage, webbing, early warning system, and his armor compared to the other characters.

Well yeah on paper.

Soleran Fast As Time

Well offically 10/10 if he uses stealth mode...and I dont see why he would not. No stealth mode I give it to Spiderman 7/10. No Iron suit I give it 5/10 to Cap.

thats pretty fair.

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Wait a minute his webbing wont stick to vibranium?

Originally posted by jinzin
nope... that's why he needed to web the shield TO something.

For real? I didn't know that

Apolloknight Your rule is at an end

Originally posted by Dinalfos
It counts, but there are so many different showings for different characters that it's impossibly hard to tell. At least in this case it is. Especially since Cap's on panel abilities strongly fluctuate.
Ha, funny you should mention that, because Spidey's origin is among the most wildly critisized. Hell, even I believe it's beyond implausible. But you know pretty damn well that even fantasy pieces are bound by logic, even if they have to create their own. Internal logic is one of the most important things in all forms of art, comics are not exempt from this. And internal logic is exactly the problem comic books.

Honestly, like all debating aside, your thinking too heavily into it. Its a comic book fantasy world, none of what we read should be possible. Spiderman should be dead from cancer right now, Banner should of been incinerated, Outer Space should of tore batman inside-out. Yet in comics, in this fantasy world to which we all enjoy the occasional escape of our real life daily activity's, this is possible, and for this reason, and this reason alone, we choose to read comics.

Yes Real life is still a factor, it is very much a factor comics, but not how you think. Real life serves to showcase how amazing our hero's are, Real Life gives of the feeling of "Did you see that? 😱 " or "Thats Amazing 💃 "in comics. The impossible becomes possible, Superhumans run around throwing around cars, while Peak humans with incredible god-like fighting skills punch with the force of semi trucks.

None of this is possible, So we have to be careful when we draw the lines of PIS, especially when the fighters in question have constant showings, because when say Peak Human, we are talking about the maximum a human can be before they are superhuman, walking that thin line between Peak human and Superhuman.

Apolloknight Your rule is at an end

Originally posted by Soleran
Well offically 10/10 if he uses stealth mode...and I dont see why he would not. No stealth mode I give it to Spiderman 7/10. No Iron suit I give it 5/10 to Cap.
thats pretty fair.

I can, 110% agree with this.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Dinalfos
It counts, but there are so many different showings for different characters that it's impossibly hard to tell. At least in this case it is. Especially since Cap's on panel abilities strongly fluctuate.

which is why direct comparisons are important... the two characters get together nd build consistency off of one another.. spiderman consistently has problems with cap.. therefore cap gives spiderman problems.... cap's abilities don't fluctuate anymore than any other comic book character.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Ha, funny you should mention that, because Spidey's origin is among the most wildly critisized.

irrelivent.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Hell, even I believe it's beyond implausible.

so ligically it can't happen.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
But you know pretty damn well that even fantasy pieces are bound by logic, even if they have to create their own. Internal logic is one of the most important things in all forms of art, comics are not exempt from this.

EXACTLY.... so you DO understand the point but you don't want to accept it's consequences? hmmmm.

so your appeal to logic was for nothing since the only logic that works is this "internal logic" or comic logic.... thank you for conceding.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
It's not literally off, but the subject is more or less covered with the Bloodlust rule.

not really.. it's contradictory.. for instance.. the characters that can use bloodlust are to be bloodlusted in fights... this means characters like venom, wolverine, taskmaster.. they can be bloodlusted all they want cause they don't have a problem killing people.. but CIS isn't exempt from these debates... so if a character CAN be in bloodlust but it conflicts with their character's principles.. then they most likely won't be.. besides.. a bloodlusted spidey is basically a punching bag for gifted fighters.. daredevil proved that.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Pis is often subjective, but not int this case. At the best of his abilities, Cap would lose the fight.

actually it IS EXTREMELY subjective in this case.... otherswise we wouldn't be discussing the semantics of what counts in these threads and what doesn't.... 😬

But yes I agree cap would lose more often than not.. I DO however think he could secure 3 wins at best.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
🙄

😉

Originally posted by Dinalfos
One level is really quite a margin.

not really.. after all ghost rider and demonic hobgoblin are a level above spidey... spidey's still able to tag them like crazy...

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Even still, Spiderman obviously has his own fighting skills. IF you want to go by panels(which is good in this case), then you would also know that his skills are developed around his supernatural powers. I would say that it isn't a real skill, because it doesn't really take much training to perform the acrobatics and stuff. But it does take training and experience to create a deadly offensive cocktail out of them. And Spidey's got enough experience of his own.

I'm not denying that spidey has his own fighting style.. but it's not a honed and tempered one.. which is why gifted streeters give him fits... I'm not denying he has experience.. but his experience is "meat and potatoes" fighting.. not formal training... there's a reasons why spiderman conceded that cap know more about h2h then he would ever learn in 100 years...

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Also, his higher showings generally dwarf those of Captain America.

In strength perhaps.. but that's a given...

like soljer said.. caps been shown to be able to go toe to toe with too many characters at spidey's level and do fine to deny that he's around the same level as spidey.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Why is Hulk vs. Gladiator irrelevant? It's not. Anyway, it's funny.

it is irrelivent.. you didn't make a decent point using that feat... and this thread isn't about either character anyways.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Because Thing didn't have a problem with Wolverine on at least one occasion.

which is also irrelivent since that was due to the fact that wolverine was already messed which was even stated ON PANAL.. and again consistency.. one occasion does not denote a dozen other occasions where logan tears it up with thing or people on things level.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Nor did Juggernaut. Doesn't sound very consistent to me.

juggernaught punches holes in demensional fabric.. he clobbered thing in 3 hits... juggernaughts on an entirely different level than most bricks.. bad example.. also.. only based off of ONE example.. again.. one example doesn't denote CONSISTANT examples.. i you want to use wolverine and play the brick game I've got over a dozen examples off the top of my head where logan does just fine with them.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
But let's say for argument's sake that it is, how would that qualify as reasonable?

it doesn't have to be for arguments sake it is consistant.... 😕

reason is again contingent on logic.. comic book logic says it's reasonable.. my personal opinion on the matter is irrelivent.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Honestly, like all debating aside, your thinking too heavily into it. Its a comic book fantasy world, none of what we read should be possible. Spiderman should be dead from cancer right now, Banner should of been incinerated, Outer Space should of tore batman inside-out. Yet in comics, in this fantasy world to which we all enjoy the occasional escape of our real life daily activity's, this is possible, and for this reason, and this reason alone, we choose to read comics.
Yes Real life is still a factor, it is very much a factor comics, but not how you think. Real life serves to showcase how amazing our hero's are, Real Life gives of the feeling of "Did you see that? 😱 " or "Thats Amazing 💃 "in comics. The impossible becomes possible, Superhumans run around throwing around cars, while Peak humans with incredible god-like fighting skills punch with the force of semi trucks.
None of this is possible, So we have to be careful when we draw the lines of PIS, especially when the fighters in question have constant showings, because when say Peak Human, we are talking about the maximum a human can be before they are superhuman, walking that thin line between Peak human and Superhuman.

personally I view comics as being INSPIRED by real life but not based on it.... thus allowing for fantasy to take place...

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I can, 110% agree with this.

me too.

ankur29 ankur

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Agility is the ability to move ones body with coordination
Speed is how fast you can run
Reflexes is the ability to comprehend and react to something
Umm, three totally different things sir, 15x more agility then a human, cool I understand that, but it says nothing about speed, hmmm.
Look at it like this, in High School I ran a 4.2 40 yard dash and a 10.4 hundred meter dash (Naw seriously I really did) yet I can barely touch my toes.
What does this mean, I'm very fast, but not that agile, two totally different things their buddy.
Ever wonder why Spidey chooses to dodge Rhino instead of outrun him? Because he cant, heck Rhino even catches spidey off guard with his short burst of speed sometimes, its spideys agility and reflex's that allow him to dodge rhino, not his speed.
Hope that clears it up for ya.

if you check the definition i provided you will see that what i have said remains true ,agility is how fast you can move .....
spidey decides to dodge rhino because he dont wanna get him by a guy that can lift 90 tons

i would like to ask you what speeds do you think spidey can run at?

surely 100mph minimum

Apolloknight Your rule is at an end

Originally posted by ankur29
if you check the definition i provided you will see that what i have said remains true ,agility is how fast you can move .....
spidey decides to dodge rhino because he dont wanna get him by a guy that can lift 90 tons
i would like to ask you what speeds do you think spidey can run at?
surely 100mph minimum

Then I must be some freak of nature, a mistake by god, how come Im am very fast in running speed, yet Im not agile at all, I can barely touch my toes at times, while I see other guys go +12-13 inches past their toes, yet these guys are nothing compared to me in running speed.

Strange....

What would you call that?

Also, is their anyone else who thinks spidey can run 100+mph? If so can someone prove it instead of just using speculation, I wont have a problem accepting it if you can prove it!!!