cap vs spider-man

Ok I need to verify exactly where you coming from

Originally posted by marvelprince

The thing with Cap is that at times his shields will bounce right off of someone super strong when he's with the Avengers, but when he's solo he can take them pretty easily.

This statement implies that you have a problem with him doing it because its not consistent, right?

Originally posted by marvelprince

Cap has downed a number of big guys, and actually if he does something like use his enviroment I have no problem with it,

This statement implies that even if he downs superhumans on a regular basis its still not acceptable unless he uses the envinronment. So basically it does not matter how good he is at fighting he cannot use his fists and shield on their own to down a superhuman, he would need to be superhuman, right?

Originally posted by marvelprince

but when he pimp slaps the Wrecker and KO's him we have a problem

Pimp slaping the wrecker is taking the PIS (so what I did there....sorry bad joke). I dont have a problem with him knocking him out.

I just noticed something Scorpion did indeed hurt his fist hitting Spiderman. Cap did not.

But anyways showing scans of Scorpion defeat Parker doesn't make Caps case look bad, considering Cap has defeated Scorpion. Cap also defeated the Tarantula. And you can't use the arguement that Scorpion/Tanrtunla hold back.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Someone just posted scans above of Parker not feeling Scorpions punches above, unless that was someone else?

But Cap did that too Parker in his last fight. Plus if you count the shield, then yeah Cap does hit harder.

Edit: Nevermind that wasn't Scorpion not sure who that was in that scan.

Huh?

I posted the scan of Scorpion basically breaking his hand after punching Spider-Man. I also posted a few more of strong fighters punching and hitting Spider-Man, but only hurting themselves in the process.

The shield doesn't make him hit harder. It causes more damage due to it being a weapon. But it doesn't make him literally hit any harder. 🙄

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Huh?

I posted the scan of Scorpion basically breaking his hand after punching Spider-Man. I also posted a few more of strong fighters punching and hitting Spider-Man, but only hurting themselves in the process.

The shield doesn't make him hit harder. It causes more damage due to it being a weapon. But it doesn't make him literally hit any harder. 🙄

Doesnt matter if Cap can hit as hard as Scorpion. He has better technique and hits at pressure points, that is why Spider-Man actually is hurt by his punches, and not in the scans you showed.

Cap shouldn´t be able to hit him that easily.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Cap shouldn´t be able to hit him that easily.

If at all.

Originally posted by batdude123
If at all.

I have not changed my mind about the scores but.....

CA's bio
<He is extremely skilled in hand-to-hand combat, sometimes taking on and defeating foes whose strength, size, or superpowers greatly exceed his.>

When you come out with stuff like that its just taking the mick. Cap loses he is not getting curbstomped though.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Doesnt matter if Cap can hit as hard as Scorpion. He has better technique and hits at pressure points, that is why Spider-Man actually is hurt by his punches, and not in the scans you showed.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm not saying that Cap can't hurt Spiderman, but I thought pressure points were useless?

they are unless you are a master at them and have other fighting training like Cap does.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm not saying that Cap can't hurt Spiderman, but I thought pressure points were useless?

Why would pressure points be useless?

Originally posted by thedude1948
they are unless you are a master at them and have other fighting training like Cap does.

Pressure points are useless cause
it's FVCKING FRIDAY!
I'M GETTING A CASE OF VODKA, 8 LOOSE WOMEN,
AND A STOMACH PUMP.

SAYONARA BITCHEZ!

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok I need to verify exactly where you coming from

By all means...

Originally posted by Alfheim
This statement implies that you have a problem with him doing it because its not consistent, right?

Consistent in a way that makes sense. Comic books or not if somone is class 100 they should not be taken down by someone who can bench 800-1000 lbs.

Originally posted by Alfheim
This statement implies that even if he downs superhumans on a regular basis its still not acceptable unless he uses the envinronment. So basically it does not matter how good he is at fighting he cannot use his fists and shield on their own to down a superhuman, he would need to be superhuman, right?

And superhuman is so vague. I'm talking about superhuman's who've shown incredible strength and durability (those who have taken hits from Thor etc). And I don't want him to only use his enviroment. He could use other heroes. He could even talk them down. As long as it takes more than a kick.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Pimp slaping the wrecker is taking the PIS (so what I did there....sorry bad joke). I dont have a problem with him knocking him out.

He can knock him out. Just not with a pimp slap.

Long strong short Captain America should not be able to hurt someone so much stronger than him (think Wrecker) by kicking and punching

Originally posted by thedude1948
Doesnt matter if Cap can hit as hard as Scorpion. He has better technique and hits at pressure points, that is why Spider-Man actually is hurt by his punches, and not in the scans you showed.

Thats BS. Scorpion is at least 40 tons. No matter how much skill Cap has he can't inflict more damage with a placed punch than someone with that much strength. Its literally saying that an infant can hurt you more than Mike Tyson if someone taught it to use pressure points.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I just noticed something Scorpion did indeed hurt his fist hitting Spiderman. Cap did not.

But anyways showing scans of Scorpion defeat Parker doesn't make Caps case look bad, considering Cap has defeated Scorpion. Cap also defeated the Tarantula. And you can't use the arguement that Scorpion/Tanrtunla hold back.

I can use the argument that Cap is a jobber though. And why wouldn't he beat Tartuntula. He's just a martial artist.

Again, do you honestly think Cap is capable of hurting Peter with a punch moreso than Scorpion? You can use skill all you want but in this instance the strength gap is just too big. Superman and Hulk doesn't need to know how to throw a punch to do more damage than Cap or Batman.

Look at it like this. Skill does make his punches more effective. No one's argying that. Cap's punches cause of his skill will definitely be more effective in comparison to someone of the same strength level as his. But in this case the strength difference is too wide. Look at this way. In the same way that a child can lift heavier loads than he normally can by means of a pulley a full grown adult can lift twice the same load free hand. This because even though the child has a device to amp his strength, and make him seem stronger than other kids his level, the strength difference between him and the man is still too great to be overcome even with his enhancement. The same logic applies to Cap and Scorpion

Originally posted by marvelprince
Thats BS. Scorpion is at least 40 tons. No matter how much skill Cap has he can't inflict more damage with a placed punch than someone with that much strength. Its literally saying that an infant can hurt you more than Mike Tyson if someone taught it to use pressure points.

If Scorpion had Caps punching and pressure point skills he could hurt Spidey too. Spidey still is somewhat human and has pressure points which Cap can exploit to hurt him. If you understood pressure points you would know it doesnt matter about the strength level, that is why Spidey is hurt by Cap who strikes at pressure points and not hurt by moron villains who hits him at random places.

Originally posted by thedude1948
If Scorpion had Caps punching and pressure point skills he could hurt Spidey too. Spidey still is somewhat human and has pressure points which Cap can exploit to hurt him. If you understood pressure points you would know it doesnt matter about the strength level, that is why Spidey is hurt by Cap who strikes at pressure points and not hurt by moron villains who hits him at random places.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
What hurts more, getting his by a fist to a nerve point or a punch similar to getting hit by a truck.

It doesnt work like that in Marvel. Just because someone is durable enough to take a randomly placed punch doesnt mean they are not vulnerable to pressure points. Gamora has KO'd the Thing with a pressure point. Cap has stunned the Hulk with a pressure point. 🙄

Originally posted by thedude1948
It doesnt work like that in Marvel. Just because someone is durable enough to take a randomly placed punch doesnt mean they are not vulnerable to pressure points. Gamora has KO'd the Thing with a pressure point. Cap has stunned the Hulk with a pressure point. 🙄

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Thats the wolverine arguement though. Cap shouldn't be able to touch Spiderman.

Why not? Cap can run at 60 MPH, Spidey is faster but Cap should be able to at least tag him a couple of times.