Originally posted by marvelprinceI was just hearing that pressure points were useless, but now "fighting skill" make up for 80,000 lbs? Na-uh.
Thats BS. Scorpion is at least 40 tons. No matter how much skill Cap has he can't inflict more damage with a placed punch than someone with that much strength. Its literally saying that an infant can hurt you more than Mike Tyson if someone taught it to use pressure points.
You only need to know weak parts, like the head and neck, and stomach, which everyone knows.
It all comes down to, Cap is Cap... Scorpion is not. Not that Cap can't hurt Spiderman, but he isn't hitting harder than Scorp.
Originally posted by thedude1948
It doesnt work like that in Marvel. Just because someone is durable enough to take a randomly placed punch doesnt mean they are not vulnerable to pressure points. Gamora has KO'd the Thing with a pressure point. Cap has stunned the Hulk with a pressure point. 🙄
Yes it does work that way in Marvel. Pressure points may be ways to give the more human fighters an edge but at days end a Cap pressure point is nothing compared to a Hulk punch.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Yes it does work that way in Marvel. Pressure points may be ways to give the more human fighters an edge but at days end a Cap pressure point is nothing compared to a Hulk punch.
I never said they werent. My point is Cap can (and has) hurt Spidey, because he hits him at his pressure points. Even though Scorpion couldnt hurt Spidey in that scan that was shown.
I am not comparing Cap's pressure points to Hulk's Punch. I am saying that even guys with very high durability such as The Thing and Hulk can still be effected by pressure points (Which they have shown does effect them in the past.)
Originally posted by thedude1948
I never said they werent. My point is Cap can (and has) hurt Spidey, because he hits him at his pressure points. Even though Scorpion couldnt hurt Spidey in that scan that was shown.I am not comparing Cap's pressure points to Hulk's Punch. I am saying that even guys with very high durability such as The Thing and Hulk can still be effected by pressure points (Which they have shown does effect them in the past.)
Pressure point or no Cap can't inflict the amount of damage Scorp can. Besides, while Spider-Man mentioned how that punch hurt at the end there was no mention of it. At least when Venom lands a punch on Spider-Man he has a good chance of breaking some ribs
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cap may not be able to punch as hard as Scorpion but with an all out shield strike it would certainly be deadlier.
Sure the shield would be deadlier, but thats not what was being argued. The point was that Cap's punches was more effective than Scorpion's.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Moot point anyways since his strike had Spiderman dizzy seeing stars, as Parker commented them being like pint sized A-bombs, which is substantial in my opinion.
Please, Spider-Man has said the same comment to just about every hero or villians he's run into. He's also said that Logan is as fast as him and that Morlun punches harder than Hulk. Does that make it true? No, its just a statement to get a point across.
Was the punch really that effective? Cause I've seen Venom break his ribs with a strike and put him out of commission. But then again since he didn't say the punch was like a nuke I guess it couldn't have been that bad
Originally posted by marvelprincehe did say his punch was like a nuke the first time they fought and cap laid him on his ass
Sure the shield would be deadlier, but thats not what was being argued. The point was that Cap's punches was more effective than Scorpion's.Please, Spider-Man has said the same comment to just about every hero or villians he's run into. He's also said that Logan is as fast as him and that Morlun punches harder than Hulk. Does that make it true? No, its just a statement to get a point across.
Was the punch really that effective? Cause I've seen Venom break his ribs with a strike and put him out of commission. But then again since he didn't say the punch was like a nuke I guess it couldn't have been that bad
Originally posted by marvelprinceOr, more to dramatize the effect of the story.
Please, Spider-Man has said the same comment to just about every hero or villians he's run into. He's also said that Logan is as fast as him and that Morlun punches harder than Hulk. Does that make it true? No, its just a statement to get a point across.
Originally posted by marvelprinceLong strong short Captain America should not be able to hurt someone so much stronger than him (think Wrecker) by kicking and punching
By the way when the wreckers is with the three other he can only lift 10 tons, on his own its more.
Anyway here is something to consider
Mantis
Her mastery of the Priests' martial arts, which focus on manipulation of nerve endings and pressure points, has enabled her to knock out beings as powerful as Thor.
Strength Level: Mantis possessed the normal human strength of a woman of her age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise.
This does not mean that Captain America can knock out Thor but basically the rules are that peak humans can hurt people who are massively stronger than themselves if they are prescribed to do so.
Originally posted by marvelprince
And superhuman is so vague. I'm talking about superhuman's who've shown incredible strength and durability (those who have taken hits from Thor etc).
Well Cap's bio says he can use his martial arts to defeat people who are greatly stonger than himself. The Mantis bio elaborated on her abilities by using an example from her history, therefore with Cap we can do the same.
Sometimes its not consistent but more often than not Cap can hurt people like the Wrecker. The Wrecker is not class 100 by the way hes 40 tons , yeah that is still alot stronger.
Eventhough Dr Doom is prescribed to be a time travel specialist. Time Travel is so advanced that some people think that it will never be possible. If you look at alot of hi tech stuff even if it cant be created now at some point in the future it could, with Time Travel that is debatable.
Still to this day people have not given me a rational explantaion as to why Dr Strange can do the things he does. As I repeated before both magic and martial arts training exist in the real world but when it enters in the MU the level is increased hugely.
One person said the reason why Dr Strange can do what he does is because the supernatural world exists in the MU. Yes but why does the supernatural world exist in the MU because the abilities of the people casting the magic is greater. This is the same way the Sci fi World exists in the MU and you have dimensions like the Cyberverse which you can physically travel to.
The superntaural world and the scifi world exist due to the fact that humans are capable of much more. This applies to Captain America in terms of martial arts as well, but this does not mean he will beat Spiderman, but it does mean that just because someone is stronger and faster than he is does not always neccesarily mean he will lose.
If Cap cannot knock out The Wrecker Dr Strange should also not be able to do alot of stuff.....I know I have said this before, its just that nobody has given me a satisfactory response.
This does not mean that Captain America can knock out Thor but basically the rules are that peak humans can hurt people who are massively stronger than themselves if they are prescribed to do so.
I agree with this, Gamora was able to one shot someone as different/tough as Thing. So talented martial artists can actually damage these big powerhouses if they're skilled/fast enough.