realistically id give this to spider-man probably 7/10. if you look at their abilities on paper its a severe mismatch, spider-man has a clear, and huge advantage. strengthwise he should be able to turn caps skull to dust with a single full force punch. i forget how many ton he can lift now but its something like 30.
cap is human, the only superhuman powers he has is that hes peak human in all areas, something no normal person would have the time to train to be, if you focus on speed training your not going to be the strongest man in the world, if you focus on strength you will never be the fastest, so its a trade off with any normal person, so cap doesnt have that, hes the best any man can be at anything a man can do.
even so, spider-man is far beyond what any human can hope to achieve in terms of speed, strength, reflex time agility and endurance. whats left that he really needs? hes an awesome fighter, with his strength and reflexes hed be one of marvels best hand to hand guys, thats without the spider sense. the spider sense allows him to know where an attack is going to come from before the attack actually happens. its not 100% failproof but with everything he can do hes an awesome awesome fighter.
the only things cap has in his favour are his superior tactics (although spider-man is no moron), experience, and training. hes a good enough fighter to know to keep in close with spider-man, with would neutralise some of his agility, and without alot of room he doesnt have time to make any big moves, no full strength punches or kicks. cap can try and pick him apart by using weaker, faster shots that will eventually wear down spider-man. without alot of room to move it would make his spider sense less effective also.
so can does have a chance, hes fighting an uphill battle but he could do it. with all the things in spider-mans favour though he should take it the majority. spider-man has been fighting hand to hand since he got his powers, fighting for his life, and the lives of those around him. cap has been doing it longer, but spider-man is no amature, and hes vastly superior to cap in every physical way.
so, like i said before, spider-man 7/10.
Originally posted by Decay
realistically id give this to spider-man probably 7/10. if you look at their abilities on paper its a severe mismatch, spider-man has a clear, and huge advantage. strengthwise he should be able to turn caps skull to dust with a single full force punch. i forget how many ton he can lift now but its something like 30.cap is human, the only superhuman powers he has is that hes peak human in all areas, something no normal person would have the time to train to be, if you focus on speed training your not going to be the strongest man in the world, if you focus on strength you will never be the fastest, so its a trade off with any normal person, so cap doesnt have that, hes the best any man can be at anything a man can do.
even so, spider-man is far beyond what any human can hope to achieve in terms of speed, strength, reflex time agility and endurance. whats left that he really needs? hes an awesome fighter, with his strength and reflexes hed be one of marvels best hand to hand guys, thats without the spider sense. the spider sense allows him to know where an attack is going to come from before the attack actually happens. its not 100% failproof but with everything he can do hes an awesome awesome fighter.
the only things cap has in his favour are his superior tactics (although spider-man is no moron), experience, and training. hes a good enough fighter to know to keep in close with spider-man, with would neutralise some of his agility, and without alot of room he doesnt have time to make any big moves, no full strength punches or kicks. cap can try and pick him apart by using weaker, faster shots that will eventually wear down spider-man. without alot of room to move it would make his spider sense less effective also.
so can does have a chance, hes fighting an uphill battle but he could do it. with all the things in spider-mans favour though he should take it the majority. spider-man has been fighting hand to hand since he got his powers, fighting for his life, and the lives of those around him. cap has been doing it longer, but spider-man is no amature, and hes vastly superior to cap in every physical way.
so, like i said before, spider-man 7/10.
It makes sense. people who want to see spiderman lose really dont think logically. Great stuff.
Originally posted by Decay
realistically id give this to spider-man probably 7/10. if you look at their abilities on paper its a severe mismatch, spider-man has a clear, and huge advantage. strengthwise he should be able to turn caps skull to dust with a single full force punch. i forget how many ton he can lift now but its something like 30.cap is human, the only superhuman powers he has is that hes peak human in all areas, something no normal person would have the time to train to be, if you focus on speed training your not going to be the strongest man in the world, if you focus on strength you will never be the fastest, so its a trade off with any normal person, so cap doesnt have that, hes the best any man can be at anything a man can do.
even so, spider-man is far beyond what any human can hope to achieve in terms of speed, strength, reflex time agility and endurance. whats left that he really needs? hes an awesome fighter, with his strength and reflexes hed be one of marvels best hand to hand guys, thats without the spider sense. the spider sense allows him to know where an attack is going to come from before the attack actually happens. its not 100% failproof but with everything he can do hes an awesome awesome fighter.
the only things cap has in his favour are his superior tactics (although spider-man is no moron), experience, and training. hes a good enough fighter to know to keep in close with spider-man, with would neutralise some of his agility, and without alot of room he doesnt have time to make any big moves, no full strength punches or kicks. cap can try and pick him apart by using weaker, faster shots that will eventually wear down spider-man. without alot of room to move it would make his spider sense less effective also.
so can does have a chance, hes fighting an uphill battle but he could do it. with all the things in spider-mans favour though he should take it the majority. spider-man has been fighting hand to hand since he got his powers, fighting for his life, and the lives of those around him. cap has been doing it longer, but spider-man is no amature, and hes vastly superior to cap in every physical way.
so, like i said before, spider-man 7/10.
No its not that simple actually. Its just that I cant be bothered to reply back, I still haven't got back to reply to Dinalfos on Cap vs Hulk w/twist. Sometimes replying to these posts takes ages and just cant be bothered right now.
Anyhow Cap maybe defined as being peak human but im afraid he is superhuman as well. I still think his going to lose by the way but its not going to be a curbstomp.
Originally posted by python99
It makes sense. people who want to see spiderman lose really dont think logically. Great stuff.
I was one of the biggest Captain America supporters in this thread - go back and read some of the arguments.
But keep in mind, I was arguing for Captain America getting about three wins out of ten against people who argued that it would be a Spidey-curb stomp.... 😬.
Spidey win's the majority, but you gotta give Cap his due. He is one of the best fighters and tacticians in the Marvel Universe. Not to mention the fact that he's previously studied Spiderman and the way he fights.
No this fight is very simple. Skill means everything in this match. Cap knows just abotu everyting there is to know about Spidey. Spidey himself knows he's outclassed and that his current Iron Spidey armor is the only chance he's got. Spidey ain't no slouch, so even if he's tactically and skillwise outclassed to the nth degree, he can somehow find a way. But the reliance of Spidey's superior physical attributes by many of the Spidey supporters is truly the easiest point to refute.
Spidey beats out many people that are his greater in strength and durability. His agility and fighting ability is truly his trump card against his physical superiors. Fact is, Cap outclasses Spidey's fighting abilities. Not only that, Cap knows Spidey and his fighting tactics, powers and abilities. Let's face it, if you know how a fighter is going to react and you plan two three steps ahead, you'll take them out despite the physical advantages. That's very clearly illustrated in their 'Civil War' tussle.
Just look at the way Cap disabled Wolvie's claws in 'Origins,' or how Cap predicted that Spidey indeed had the agility, sense and webs to dodge his shield but not his followup attack in 'Civil War.'
Truth it be, the Iron Spidey outfit was Spidey's trump card and evened out Cap's tactical advantage, but now that Cap has seen him twice and its capabilities, forget about it. And if people want to use the 'Civil War' tussle as evidence in their arguments, lets get one thing straight, only the dimmest of lightbulbs and most hypocritical of fanboys could say that Spidey would have won without his new Iron Spidey tech.
Cap 7/10 at the least, back then and in current continuity now.
Cap stands up to people he has no chance against every single time. Has he ever fought someone, other than a mass of soldiers/ninjas/nazis/terrorists who he physically outclassed? Gimme a break. Cap beat Red Skull when he has the Cosmic Cube for gods sake every other year! You don't get much more outclassed than one man against omnipotence!
BTW, do you also have the comic where Cap decks Spidey 3 times before getting a face scratch in return? (I loved that, did you?) I don't blame you if you don't. After all, it happened ages ago so you might not remember. I assume that much because you sound like a Spidey fanboy who would rather forget about it and bury it or somehow argue that the fight ended as a win for Spidey. 🙄
Fighting ability is great and all, but even the most skilled martial artist in the universe isn't taking down Superman. And Spider-man might as well be Superman to Cap. I mean, I love Cap. But he's just so outclassed here.
Spidey has him in every single category except for fighting ability. And with his other superior abilities, this one, mircroscopic window of opportunity is made null.
Spider-Man wins 8/10.
S'funny how Cap isn't fighting Superman in this thread, but Spiderman. While you feel like Cap has only got fighting skills that top Spidermans, he outclasses him in tactical ingenuity as well. And it sure as hell counts for a lot. It's why Batman can beat Superman.
It's as simple as this, you're entitled to your opinion Metalmanx, but lets face it, being outclassed in every physical sense didn't save the Beast back in the Cap vs. Beast thread. It's hardly the deciding factor here either. I won't waste my time trying to convince those who rely purely on measuring powers as their rule of thumb in KMC fights. But I'll gladly welcome any attempts for you to change my mind. In my opinion, although it takes all of Cap's skills and tactics to level the playing field against Spidey, it takes every one of Spidey's powers and weapons to keep up with Cap as well because he's simply outclassed in those departments. Not only that, but Cap knows everything about him. Spidey can't even begin to predict Cap's moves and even when his spidey sense warns him of danger, it's too late. So tell me, how does Spiderman clearly own Cap? Strength's never been a factor against Cap, not Spidey's level of strength anyway. His agility, even when combined with his spidey sense can't protect him when he's been setup by Cap. Cap dodges his webs easier than he dodges bullets. What's Spiderman got that clearly gives him the advantage?
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spidey catches caps sheild in mid flight
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Here he decides to beat cap with his own sheild
Spidey takes it 6-7/10
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Spidey is way ahead of the sheild throw
