Originally posted by Alfheim
What so you think this is a spite thread?
No. I honestly don't. A spite thread would've been Spidey vs. Pre-SSS Captain America. 😖
I feel that Cap can last a few rounds (from durability and sheer force of will), but could never take the majority on Spider-Man. I've said it before, and I'll stand by it again. I feel Spider-Man wins 9/10 against Cap.
Seriously, I give Cap his props. But against Spidey, he's got no chance to defeat him.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
No. I honestly don't. A spite thread would've been Spidey vs. Pre-SSS Captain America. 😖I feel that Cap can last a few rounds (from durability and sheer force of will), but could never take the majority on Spider-Man. I've said it before, and I'll stand by it again. I feel Spider-Man wins 9/10 against Cap.
Seriously, I give Cap his props. But against Spidey, he's got no chance to defeat him.
Yeah but you dont even think he can hurt him, that is ridculous.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but you dont even think he can hurt him, that is ridculous.
I believe you've misunderstood my hundreds of posts.
I don't believe Cap's melee attacks should hurt Spider-Man, no. I mean, unless Spidey is made to stand still and allow the attack, then yes, a strong punch from Cap would pain Spidey, but do nothing more really.
However, his strongest shield bash would indeed REALLY hurt Spidey and POSSIBLY KO Spidey as well. AGAIN, this is assuming Spider-Man is made to stand still and take the attack without moving.
On the other hand, Spider-Man's lightest attacks with both hurt and damage Cap.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I believe you've misunderstood my hundreds of posts.I don't believe Cap's melee attacks should hurt Spider-Man, no. I mean, unless Spidey is made to stand still and allow the attack, then yes, a strong punch from Cap would pain Spidey, but do nothing more really.
However, his strongest shield bash would indeed REALLY hurt Spidey and [B]POSSIBLY
KO Spidey as well. AGAIN, this is assuming Spider-Man is made to stand still and take the attack without moving.[/B]
Why would that happen when hes hurt people alot stronger?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
On the other hand, Spider-Man's lightest attacks with both hurt and damage Cap.
You sure about that?
http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram2zu5.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram3ku4.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram4sq5.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram5tm4.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram6lj1.jpg
http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram7qt7.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram8wv7.jpg
After all that.
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=battterinram9mq5.jpg
Doesnt even have any broken bones. Peak human my ***
Originally posted by Alfheim
Why would that happen when hes hurt people alot stronger?You sure about that?
http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram2zu5.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram3ku4.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram4sq5.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram5tm4.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram6lj1.jpg
http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram7qt7.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram8wv7.jpgAfter all that.
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=battterinram9mq5.jpg
Doesnt even have any broken bones. Peak human my ***
I don't recall Red Skull having a high degree of super strength. And I have seen those scans before. They are impressive, nonetheless, I'll admit that.
And while that is a durability feat for Cap (one which I already accepted), it still doesn't change the fact that Red Skull was kicking his ass and it was damaging Cap. And he doesn't even have anywhere near the same speed/agility/reflexes that Spider-Man does.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I don't recall Red Skull having a high degree of super strength. And I have seen those scans before. They are impressive, nonetheless, I'll admit that.And while that is a durability feat for Cap (one which I already accepted), it still doesn't change the fact that Red Skull was kicking his ass and it was damaging Cap. And he doesn't even have anywhere near the same speed/agility/reflexes that Spider-Man does.
This is a durability feat. That was a superhuman version of Red Skull, wether he was as fast as Spiderman I dont know. All I know is its a durability feat.
I have no idea what Red Skulls stats were all I know is that is a superhuman version of Red Skull. If that version of Red Skulls was not as fast as Spiderman he should not be kicking his *** like that.
I don't recall Red Skull having a high degree of super strength. And I have seen those scans before. They are impressive, nonetheless, I'll admit that.And while that is a durability feat for Cap (one which I already accepted), it still doesn't change the fact that Red Skull was kicking his ass and it was damaging Cap. And he doesn't even have anywhere near the same speed/agility/reflexes that Spider-Man does.
Red Skull in that book was bullet proof as well. If you have not noticed he's wearing a special enhancement suit on. I mean he was thrashing Cap, even Spiderman in his Spider-armor was having problems with Cap, to give you an idea of how powerfull Skull was in that suit.
And Cap at the time thought Skull killed Diamond-Back to boot.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Red Skull in that book was bullet proof as well. If you have not noticed he's wearing a special enhancement suit on. I mean he was thrashing Cap, even Spiderman in his Spider-armor was having problems with Cap, to give you an idea of how powerfull Skull was in that suit.And Cap at the time thought Skull killed Diamond-Back to boot.
Yeah thank you. Cap has superhuman durability as well. Cap has taken shots from Powerman (The white one who is currently Atlas). I think Powerman's strength was class 20 at the time.
Originally posted by Alfheim
This is a durability feat. That was a superhuman version of Red Skull, wether he was as fast as Spiderman I dont know. All I know is its a durability feat.I have no idea what Red Skulls stats were all I know is that is a superhuman version of Red Skull. If that version of Red Skulls was not as fast as Spiderman he should not be kicking his *** like that.
Like I said, I didn't take away from it's impressiveness, because it is a good feat. But it seems pretty obvious that RS was not moving anywhere near as fast as Spider-Man, but was just wrecking cap with pure superhuman strength and durability.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Like I said, I didn't take away from it's impressiveness, because it is a good feat. But it seems pretty obvious that RS was not moving anywhere near as fast as Spider-Man, but was just wrecking cap with pure superhuman strength and durability.
I dont even think that Cap threw a punch in any of those scans.....if it was pure strength Cap should have been able to fight back. So obvously either RS was too fast or its PIS.
Just the fact that RS unederestimated his durability is abit stupid. RS is his arch enemy and should know how durable he is.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont even think that Cap threw a punch in any of those scans.....if it was pure strength Cap should have been able to fight back. So obvously either RS was too fast or its PIS.Just the fact that RS unederestimated his durability is abit stupid. RS is his arch enemy and should know how durable he is.
I agree. RS was toying with him too much if he really wanted to win.
I think it was more a momentum thing though for RS. He got Cap with that first blow which already made him reel. Then it was just a matter of staying on Cap and continue the pummelling, ya know?
Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont even think that Cap threw a punch in any of those scans.....if it was pure strength Cap should have been able to fight back. So obvously either RS was too fast or its PIS.Just the fact that RS unederestimated his durability is abit stupid. RS is his arch enemy and should know how durable he is.
There was no evidence of superspeed there on the part of RS. Cap was just blindsided by the superior strength and then pummeled.
Also I don't think RS was underestimating Cap. It was pretty obvious he was just having fun with Cap.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I agree. RS was toying with him too much if he really wanted to win.I think it was more a momentum thing though for RS. He got Cap with that first blow which already made him reel. Then it was just a matter of staying on Cap and continue the pummelling, ya know?
At any rate we dont know how fast RS was.
Originally posted by marvelprince
There was no evidence of superspeed there on the part of RS. Cap was just blindsided by the superior strength and then pummeled.
Well obvoulsy he wasnt as fast as Quicksilver but when Spiderman was pummeling Iron Man of 2020 there was no evidence of superspeed aprt from the fact that Iron Man 2020 aid so.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Also I don't think RS was underestimating Cap. It was pretty obvious he was just having fun with Cap.
So why did he leave when the building fell on top of him?
Wheres the evidence of superspeed there, apart from Iron Man saying so, but he doesnt have to say anything becuase we already know that Spiderman moves at superspeed.
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspidermanannual2pg1.jpg
http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspidermanannual2qz4.jpg
Originally posted by Alfheim
Wheres the evidence of superspeed there, apart from Iron Man saying so, but he doesnt have to say anything becuase we already know that Spiderman moves at superspeed.http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspidermanannual2pg1.jpg
http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspidermanannual2qz4.jpg
Well, you kind of answered it yourself.
We know that Spider-Man move as super speed. Plus him saying it helped a lot.
In addition, if he's moving fast enough where a futuristic Iron Man can't even react in time, I'd say that's pretty fast. Iron Man, even old-school classic if I recall correctly, has always had some kind of reflex enhancements. And I would say this one was no different.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Well, you kind of answered it yourself.We know that Spider-Man move as super speed. Plus him saying it helped a lot.
In addition, if he's moving fast enough where a futuristic Iron Man can't even react in time, I'd say that's pretty fast. Iron Man, even old-school classic if I recall correctly, has always had some kind of reflex enhancements. And I would say this one was no different.
Bro im sure you missed the point. Spiderman doesnt have to say anything to let us know that he is moving at superhuman speed. He is bashing the Iron Man from 2020 and Iron Man cant react.
The samething applies to the situation with Cap, we know how fast Cap is for him to keep pummeling him like that without him reacting RSmust have been fast.
Furthermore this guy Cap is fighting has Namors strength and speed. If you look in the scans he had to fight somebody else as well.
http://img331.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica366104by.jpg
http://img331.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica366117pi.jpg
http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica366121gn.jpg
If he can beat somebody who has Namors speed and strength and at the sametime not allow himself to get jumped by somebody else, RS isnt beating Cap like that without superspeed.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Bro im sure you missed the point. Spiderman doesnt have to say anything to let us know that he is moving at superhuman speed. He is bashing the Iron Man from 2020 and Iron Man cant react.The samething applies to the situation with Cap, we know how fast Cap is for him to keep pummeling him like that without him reacting RSmust have been fast.
Furthermore this guy Cap is fighting has Namors strength and speed. If you look in the scans he had to fight somebody else as well.
http://img331.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica366104by.jpg
http://img331.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica366117pi.jpg
http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica366121gn.jpgIf he can beat somebody who has Namors speed and strength and at the sametime not allow himself to get jumped by somebody else, RS isnt beating Cap like that without superspeed.
Again, impressive. However, Cap had the upper hand throughout that encounter. While that is good, it's not how it worked out with RS. RS used his own momentum to keep up the barrage of attacks on Cap.
Can you send those scans again please?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Again, impressive. However, Cap had the upper hand throughout that encounter. While that is good, it's not how it worked out with RS. RS used his own momentum to keep up the barrage of attacks on Cap.Can you send those scans again please?
Im aware of that my point is this. If Cap is capable of beating somebody who is as fast as Namor and beat somebody else at the same time. Even if RS hit him he should be able to react...hers Cap dodging a speedster.
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers153096xu.jpg
If Cap can dodge the above how is a nonsuperhuman fast RS going to blindside Cap.
Furthermore Cap has been able to take superhuman shots before. All the evidence indicates that RS was superfast.
Heres those scans again.
http://img331.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica366104by.jpg
http://img331.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica366117pi.jpg
http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica366121gn.jpg
