cap vs spider-man

Originally posted by Alfheim
What so you didnt read that Cap wanted Spiderman to dodge the shield.? Oh and his legs were numb after he webbed the shield. You got all your facts wrong.

Anyway Spiderman wins 7/10

It was only an example to indicate that I didn't notice any particular lag in Spider-Man's speed. None of us can really say what effect the punch had since the fight didn't continue, but I said that I didn't notice any significant changes in Spider-Man. After the fight he seemed to be moving about fine. And Cap gave up the shield, but what choice did he have? He gave up the shield to get in a shot which didn't down Spider-man. Plus he found himself facing a new variable in the mech arms.

Originally posted by marvelprince
It was only an example to indicate that I didn't notice any particular lag in Spider-Man's speed. None of us can really say what effect the punch had since the fight didn't continue, but I said that I didn't notice any significant changes in Spider-Man. After the fight he seemed to be moving about fine.

What, because he was still moving? 🙄

Originally posted by Alfheim
What, because he was still moving? 🙄

Yea and the fact that afterwards he see him dispatching the guys trying to take the shield and at the end of the issue we see him web slinging and hopping around like normal

Originally posted by marvelprince
Yea and the fact that afterwards he see him dispatching the guys trying to take the shield

So you think that Spiderman with numb legs wouldnt be able to dispatch NORMAL humans.

Originally posted by marvelprince

and at the end of the issue we see him web slinging and hopping around like normal

Well how long after the fight was that?

Originally posted by marvelprince
Yea and the fact that afterwards he see him dispatching the guys trying to take the shield and at the end of the issue we see him web slinging and hopping around like normal

I dont think that you seen the fight, cap threw his shiel for a reason and that was to numb spiderman. Cap was superior in this fight and it parker never stated in the whole fight that he was holding back, he was trying, with his upgrades and he was still getting owned saying ' I only got 1 lick off of him'. Look at the fight and know that spiderman would get owned even more without the upgrades because the spidersuit is what helped him do better in the fight. Me not knowing nothing of spiderman, ha, you know nothing of cap. I go to the book store EVERYDAY and read comics and I just read a comic where spiderman got owned by a dude in a frog uniform, now that funny, and he can beat cap and wolverine, the guy koed spiderman.

I give cap the majority and not just by 1 or 2 points either. Until spiderman show me that he can hang with awesome fighters than I would never vote for him against them because he hasnt proven to me that he can accomplish taking him down.

here is the fight for you again and PLEASE read what spiderman is saying.

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Another thing, do you think that cap was going all out, he is a hero, I dont think that he was trying to kill spiderman, let alone hurt him. If anything he was toying with spiderman, until spiderman cut him across the face. Do you think that cap would ever go all out on spiderman, he might think that spiderman is someone under him that spiderman isnt a real threat and he would just fight him to teach him a lesson. If anything I believe that spiderman wouldnt have to hold more than cap would because cap is, how do you say, much more experience and have fought BETTER fighters than spiderman,WAAAAY better fighters.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont think that you seen the fight, cap threw his shiel for a reason and that was to numb spiderman. Cap was superior in this fight and it parker never stated in the whole fight that he was holding back, he was trying, with his upgrades and he was still getting owned saying ' I only got 1 lick off of him'. Look at the fight and know that spiderman would get owned even more without the upgrades because the spidersuit is what helped him do better in the fight. Me not knowing nothing of spiderman, ha, you know nothing of cap. I go to the book store EVERYDAY and read comics and I just read a comic where spiderman got owned by a dude in a frog uniform, now that funny, and he can beat cap and wolverine, the guy koed spiderman.

First off Peter always holds back, second you must know even less about Spider-Man than you thought or else you would have known that the suit doesn't amp him it all. The suit only provides the gadgets.

Also I think its kind of ironic that you like to say that Daredevil would kill Spider-Man yet Frogman used to beat him.

Originally posted by carver9
I give cap the majority and not just by 1 or 2 points either. Until spiderman show me that he can hang with awesome fighters than I would never vote for him against them because he hasnt proven to me that he can accomplish taking him down.

Then look for the first Spider-Man vs Daredevil. Look at one of the Iron Fist vs Spider-Man fights

Originally posted by carver9
here is the fight for you again and PLEASE read what spiderman is saying.

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http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?8198d2fc17.jpg
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Another thing, do you think that cap was going all out, he is a hero, I dont think that he was trying to kill spiderman, let alone hurt him. If anything he was toying with spiderman, until spiderman cut him across the face. Do you think that cap would ever go all out on spiderman, he might think that spiderman is someone under him that spiderman isnt a real threat and he would just fight him to teach him a lesson. If anything I believe that spiderman wouldnt have to hold more than cap would because cap is, how do you say, much more experience and have fought BETTER fighters than spiderman,WAAAAY better fighters.

If you don't think Cap was going all out then I think you're the one who doesn't no much about Cap. He is a hero, but if he has to stop you he will. Period. Thats the stance he took against Iron Man in the Armour Wars, the stance he took against Wolverine in Origins and the stance he took against Spider-Man in that fight. Spider-Man on the other hand worships Cap, constantly holds back and at the time is conflicted about what side he should be on

If you don't think Cap was going all out then I think you're the one who doesn't no much about Cap. He is a hero, but if he has to stop you he will. Period. Thats the stance he took against Iron Man in the Armour Wars, the stance he took against Wolverine in Origins and the stance he took against Spider-Man in that fight. Spider-Man on the other hand worships Cap, constantly holds back and at the time is conflicted about what side he should be on [/B][/QUOTE]

Did spiderman say that he was holding back in that fight or did he seem concerned and was complimenting cap on how good he fights and had to pull out more tricks in order to land a blow. If he spiderman was holding back why resort to pulling out the tenticles on his back to land a blow, why not amp up his fighting style and land blows with his hands because he couldnt. Spiderman got desperate and needed to use his upgrades against cap to keep himself in the fight or he would have still ended up getting slapped around. You are telling the truth about cap when he fights, he fight to his best but not against a good hero of spiderman caliber. Cap had a reason to go all out on wolverine because if he doesnt wolverine is going to kill him and wolverine is a much better fight than cap and cap knows this. He had a reason to go all out on iron man, iron man is the reason the entire war started anyway.

Also about the iron fist and daredevil fights against spiderman. You are talking about in the past right. Daredevil NOW would own spiderman and well iron fist would also do the same. Show me some recent fights of spiderman beating any of the combatants, you cant because I cant think of a time that he has. Spiderman is one of my favorites but I do know his limits and I have witness to many fights where he is getting owned by low caliber people and like I said before he JUST got owned by a dude in a frog suit that threw him into a deasel and koed spiderman, now thats funny and he can beat wolverine and cap, ha.

Originally posted by carver9
If you don't think Cap was going all out then I think you're the one who doesn't no much about Cap. He is a hero, but if he has to stop you he will. Period. Thats the stance he took against Iron Man in the Armour Wars, the stance he took against Wolverine in Origins and the stance he took against Spider-Man in that fight. Spider-Man on the other hand worships Cap, constantly holds back and at the time is conflicted about what side he should be on

Did spiderman say that he was holding back in that fight or did he seem concerned and was complimenting cap on how good he fights and had to pull out more tricks in order to land a blow. If he spiderman was holding back why resort to pulling out the tenticles on his back to land a blow, why not amp up his fighting style and land blows with his hands because he couldnt. Spiderman got desperate and needed to use his upgrades against cap to keep himself in the fight or he would have still ended up getting slapped around. You are telling the truth about cap when he fights, he fight to his best but not against a good hero of spiderman caliber. Cap had a reason to go all out on wolverine because if he doesnt wolverine is going to kill him and wolverine is a much better fight than cap and cap knows this. He had a reason to go all out on iron man, iron man is the reason the entire war started anyway.

Also about the iron fist and daredevil fights against spiderman. You are talking about in the past right. Daredevil NOW would own spiderman and well iron fist would also do the same. Show me some recent fights of spiderman beating any of the combatants, you cant because I cant think of a time that he has. Spiderman is one of my favorites but I do know his limits and I have witness to many fights where he is getting owned by low caliber people and like I said before he JUST got owned by a dude in a frog suit that threw him into a deasel and koed spiderman, now thats funny and he can beat wolverine and cap, ha. [/B][/QUOTE]

I didnt mean to say that wolverine is a much better fighter than cap, I mean that they are on about the same level. Sorry about that.

Originally posted by carver9
Did spiderman say that he was holding back in that fight or did he seem concerned and was complimenting cap on how good he fights and had to pull out more tricks in order to land a blow. If he spiderman was holding back why resort to pulling out the tenticles on his back to land a blow, why not amp up his fighting style and land blows with his hands because he couldnt. Spiderman got desperate and needed to use his upgrades against cap to keep himself in the fight or he would have still ended up getting slapped around. You are telling the truth about cap when he fights, he fight to his best but not against a good hero of spiderman caliber. Cap had a reason to go all out on wolverine because if he doesnt wolverine is going to kill him and wolverine is a much better fight than cap and cap knows this. He had a reason to go all out on iron man, iron man is the reason the entire war started anyway.

Spider-Man always holds back. That kinda goes without saying. Again for someone who claims to like Spider-Man so much I'd think you would know this.

If he really wanted to fight do you think he would have just let Cap get away like that?

Wolverine won't kill Cap, he respects him too much. And in the Iron Man example I didn't say in Civil War, I said Armour Wars where Tony was trying to get his armour technology back from the government and Cap tried to stop him.

Originally posted by carver9
Also about the iron fist and daredevil fights against spiderman. You are talking about in the past right. Daredevil NOW would own spiderman and well iron fist would also do the same. Show me some recent fights of spiderman beating any of the combatants, you cant because I cant think of a time that he has. Spiderman is one of my favorites but I do know his limits and I have witness to many fights where he is getting owned by low caliber people and like I said before he JUST got owned by a dude in a frog suit that threw him into a deasel and koed spiderman, now thats funny and he can beat wolverine and cap, ha.

I wasn't talking about in the past, the one with Iron Fist at least is only a couple of years old. Again your saying how Daredevil would own Spider-Man but Frogman is one of his villians who kicks his ass.

You don't kow anything about Spider-Man's limits, especially if you really believe that Daredevil can beat him

I've been watching this debate for some time and I think it's time I said something. I think Spidey was wining the fight because he drew first blood and disabled Cap's shield. Cap hit him four times so what ? It's not like they did that much damage. If the fight had gone on any longer Spider-Man would have won.

Carver9 you're right skill and experience are important. However Spider-Man has tons of experience (not as much as Cap but enough). He's beaten many opponents that are far more powerful than him because of it, like Hulk, Juggernaut, Firelord (this is a good example of what happens if Spidey is not holding back).

How many class 20 punches can Captain America take before being knocked out cold. Not more than two if Spider-Man isn't holding back, I don't see how anyone can think Cap (peak human) can move as fast as Spider-Man (meta human).

Oh and Daredevil owning Spider-Man?! What have you been drinking?

Originally posted by marvelprince
Spider-Man always holds back. That kinda goes without saying. Again for someone who claims to like Spider-Man so much I'd think you would know this.

If he really wanted to fight do you think he would have just let Cap get away like that?

Wolverine won't kill Cap, he respects him too much. And in the Iron Man example I didn't say in Civil War, I said Armour Wars where Tony was trying to get his armour technology back from the government and Cap tried to stop him.

I wasn't talking about in the past, the one with Iron Fist at least is only a couple of years old. Again your saying how Daredevil would own Spider-Man but Frogman is one of his villians who kicks his ass.

You don't kow anything about Spider-Man's limits, especially if you really believe that Daredevil can beat him

Well here we go again, I love proving you wrong, look at this picture and look at it real hard. I must be real stupid to think that daredevil can beat spiderman.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4098413

Originally posted by the_satan32
I've been watching this debate for some time and I think it's time I said something. I think Spidey was wining the fight because he drew first blood and disabled Cap's shield. Cap hit him four times so what ? It's not like they did that much damage. If the fight had gone on any longer Spider-Man would have won.

Carver9 you're right skill and experience are important. However Spider-Man has tons of experience (not as much as Cap but enough). He's beaten many opponents that are far more powerful than him because of it, like Hulk, Juggernaut, Firelord (this is a good example of what happens if Spidey is not holding back).

How many class 20 punches can Captain America take before being knocked out cold. Not more than two if Spider-Man isn't holding back, I don't see how anyone can think Cap (peak human) can move as fast as Spider-Man (meta human).

Oh and Daredevil owning Spider-Man?! What have you been drinking?

Look at my scan that i just post and Im looking for their other encounter where daredevil beat the slob out of spiderman again, Ill be back with it. Like I said before cap is beating spiderman no matter how strong spiderman is, he needs to land a lick first. Cap is just to much for spiderman, if spiderman is holding back or not. By the way, you using that spiderman vs juggernaut, hulk, firelord, the 1st two was plot device, the last one was pis. I want to see spiderman beat the hulk or juggernaut with punches, using his 20ton strength, do you think that he can do it, if you do you just need to stop reading comics. Juggernaut can lay down and let spiderman punch on him all day and laugh at spiderman effort, the same apply for hulk.

Just deal with the fact that cap owned spiderman and he wasnt going all out. Elektra owned spiderman also, stabbing him in his shoulder making him black out. Silver samarai owned spiderman also kicking him off the roof top ending with spiderman holding on to a rail and silver samarai grabbed him and threw him against a chimney, having a koed spiderman. Sabertooth almost killed spiderman if punisher didnt intervene. All of the people that i have named, cap can either beat them or stalemate them. Do me a favor, show me a scan where spiderman has owned cap, wolverine (not during secret wars, wolverine sucked back then.), sabertooth, any well known fighter and i can show you scans of each of these people slapping spiderman around like a sl**. Spiderman aint beating cap, even on spideys best day. By the way cap did take punches from the hulk, took punches from thor, iron man, etc... so whats your point about spiderman 20 ton weak strength. Maybe if it was spiderman vs bullseye I would say different about his strength but in this fight Im sticking to what Im saying until you show me a scan of spiderman stalemating or even beating someone in caps league.

1 thing carver9. You cant base what DD does against Spidey, and say that the same applies for Cap. Daredevil is harder to hit than Captain America is. Daredevil would also have a easier time hitting Spiderman than Captain America would. Another thing is that DD could never own Spidey, but he can beat him.

Originally posted by carver9
Well here we go again, I love proving you wrong, look at this picture and look at it real hard. I must be real stupid to think that daredevil can beat spiderman.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4098413

Aren't you the same guy who questioned the relevance of my Iron Fist vs Spider-Man encounter cause you thought it was old? How about we get something from where he's not in the black costume.

Even better, how about you actually post the whole fight and show me this "ownage"

Originally posted by jrodslam
1 thing carver9. You cant base what DD does against Spidey, and say that the same applies for Cap. Daredevil is harder to hit than Captain America is. Daredevil would also have a easier time hitting Spiderman than Captain America would. Another thing is that DD could never own Spidey, but he can beat him.

Youre a trip, you know that right. Daredevil hits harder than cap. 😆

Im not trying to be mean but i had to say that. You do know that cap has superhuman strength. You do know that daredevil is almost at peak human strength, ALMOST. Daredevil cannot hit harder than cap, daredevil cannot lift more than cap. daredevil will not have a easier time hitting spiderman than cap due to the fact that cap is faster, stronger, and could be more agile than daredevil, since he is the perfection of any human. Youre right on one thing though, daredevil can never own spiderman but he can beat him, like he do on most of there encounters.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Aren't you the same guy who questioned the relevance of my Iron Fist vs Spider-Man encounter cause you thought it was old? How about we get something from where he's not in the black costume.

Even better, how about you actually post the whole fight and show me this "ownage"

Im going to get something for ya. I just had to put up something that looked real nice, a koed spiderman.

Cap taking punches from Hulk and Thor and surviving is pure PIS. And what I meant with the examples was that Spidey is experienced enough to beat guys that are a lot more powerful than him. Spider-Man outclasses Cap every way (save skill). And in that fight like I said Spidey drew first blood, disabled his shield and was about to own Cap with his gadgets ("Thats how I can beat him. Not fighting him man to man but fighting him man to spider"😉. But anyone with a IQ higher than 80 can figure out that Spider-Man is never going to be depicted as pwning an American symbol (his name is Captain America for God's sake). And that's way the fight wasn't finished.

Daredevil is good but realistically he could never beat Spider-Man. Cap is peak human not superhuman. And a full force class 20 punch should KO anyone without superhuman powers.

Originally posted by carver9
Youre a trip, you know that right. Daredevil hits harder than cap. 😆

Im not trying to be mean but i had to say that. You do know that cap has superhuman strength. You do know that daredevil is almost at peak human strength, ALMOST. Daredevil cannot hit harder than cap, daredevil cannot lift more than cap. daredevil will not have a easier time hitting spiderman than cap due to the fact that cap is faster, stronger, and could be more agile than daredevil, since he is the perfection of any human. Youre right on one thing though, daredevil can never own spiderman but he can beat him, like he do on most of there encounters.

No I think you misread. He said that Daredevil is harder to hit than Cap, not that he hits harder. This is true cause of Daredevil's radar sense. Personally against Spider-Man I don't think it'd matter much but thought I'd clarify

Originally posted by marvelprince
No I think you misread. He said that Daredevil is harder to hit than Cap, not that he hits harder. This is true cause of Daredevil's radar sense. Personally against Spider-Man I don't think it'd matter much but thought I'd clarify

Thanks for the help, it was my mis reading, thank ya though.

Originally posted by the_satan32
Cap taking punches from Hulk and Thor and surviving is pure PIS. And what I meant with the examples was that Spidey is experienced enough to beat guys that are a lot more powerful than him. Spider-Man outclasses Cap every way (save skill). And in that fight like I said Spidey drew first blood, disabled his shield and was about to own Cap with his gadgets ("Thats how I can beat him. Not fighting him man to man but fighting him man to spider"😉. But anyone with a IQ higher than 80 can figure out that Spider-Man is never going to be depicted as pwning an American symbol (his name is Captain America for God's sake). And that's way the fight wasn't finished.

Daredevil is good but realistically he could never beat Spider-Man. Cap is peak human not superhuman. And a full force class 20 punch should KO anyone without superhuman powers.

Why do you throw whatever happens in comics out of the way, even if you think that it is pis. Cap is much more than durable than any human on the planet and he do have a bullet proof uniform on. Cap can take a couple of punches from spiderman but you know what he aint going to just stand there and let spiderman punch him just like spiderman aint going to stand there and let cap punch him (even though cap was punching the hell out of him in there last encounter.). You also forgot that cap can see bullets in slow motion, can spiderman punch faster than a speeding bullet? No matter if cap is the american symbol or not spiderman still should have held his own against cap if he is as good as you make him. Wolverine seem to carve cap up and did WAAAY better than spiderman did but cap is the american symbol, I could have sworn I seen cap on the ground crying in agony against wolverine, he also passed out but cap is the american symbol.

Spiderman got owned, deal with it. About the daredevil thing that you just wrote, if daredevil cant beat spiderman, why have daredevil beaten spiderman on almost all of there encounters. Daredevil always have the upper hand against spiderman. Can you read the reason WHY cap shield was gone, he used it against spiderman, he knew that spiderman would dodge it and when the right time came, he hit spiderman where it hurts, spiderman didnt take his shield away from him. Cap also didnt know about the tenticles, thats why he got caught off guard, again reread the fight.