cap vs spider-man

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Okay I'll exept something from comics. Spider-Man owned Firelord by dogding him and counter atacking (and he's even faster now). Cap shouln't be able to be on par with Spider-Man in terms of speed and strength and yet he's depicted as being as fast as Spider-Man. What do you call that? What annoyes me so much as how everyone views Cap's skills yeah he's more skilled than Spider-Man but it doesn't matter when his opponet moves like a blur. And I read in Wikipedia that to see bulets in slow motion it takes about 5x normal human reflexes. Spider-Man has a hell of a lot more.

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Originally posted by carver9
Youre a trip, you know that right. Daredevil hits harder than cap. 😆

Im not trying to be mean but i had to say that. You do know that cap has superhuman strength. You do know that daredevil is almost at peak human strength, ALMOST. Daredevil cannot hit harder than cap, daredevil cannot lift more than cap. daredevil will not have a easier time hitting spiderman than cap due to the fact that cap is faster, stronger, and could be more agile than daredevil, since he is the perfection of any human. Youre right on one thing though, daredevil can never own spiderman but he can beat him, like he do on most of there encounters.

I see that marvelprince already corrected you on your reading error. Secondly, id like to say that Daredevil IS peakhuman. Peakhuman is a single weight. Its a range and Daredevil does fit that range. Strength, speed and agility. Daredevil would have an easier time hitting Spidey due to DD knowing exactly where and when Spidey would dodge. Cap doesnt have that luxury. He can try to bait him into moving somewhere by throwing a punch and hoping Spidey dodges that way. Daredevil doesnt have to hope or guess which was Spideys gonna dodge.

Another thing to correct you on is your statements saying that Daredevil has beat Spidey in almost all their encounters. Thats false. They fought about 8 times. DD beat Spidey about 3 times i think. Others were stalemates or unfinished.

I see that marvelprince already corrected you on your reading error. Secondly, id like to say that Daredevil IS peakhuman. Peakhuman is a single weight. Its a range and Daredevil does fit that range. Strength, speed and agility. Daredevil would have an easier time hitting Spidey due to DD knowing exactly where and when Spidey would dodge. Cap doesnt have that luxury. He can try to bait him into moving somewhere by throwing a punch and hoping Spidey dodges that way. Daredevil doesnt have to hope or guess which was Spideys gonna dodge.

Though DD has great feats but he is not enhanced too the peak-human potential level that Cap possesses by the SSS. Although DD does possess feats that look superhuman in the real world, but by comic definition were beings can fly through stars and such. He is just classed as a Top-Athlete.

Now if Daredevil was in the DC verse he probably would be classed at Batman's level of peak-human as a man in his prime, since they have similar feats.

Daredevil may not have complete Peak Potential stats like our resident Super-Soilder. But he possess Super-senses which you already have mentioned.

Originally posted by Arahan
Thx, I will check that issue.

It is sad that Spidey has low showings against guys like CA or DD.
The way they hit and attack him let me really think that Spidey hasnt Super Speed or superior reactions. Especially after the The Other Arc he had a big Speed upgrade, it just makes no sense that he still gets hit so much by slower characters. He never gets the respect he deserves.

And the writers already have forgotten his new powers like Night vision.
In one issue when he pursues Stegron he makes fire to see in the dark.

Poor Spidey ❌

I want to know why everyone is ignoring the stingers... Those took out Morlun in one hit. Morlun is th man who isn't even phased when he has a lamp post or truck rammed into him. He was the only one in comics to succede in killing Spiderman. Then, Spidey gets the stingers and takes out Morlun with one stab from them.

Combine the stingers with the enhanced speed and Cap will have a hard time winning. I give this to Spiderman 8.5/10.

I love Cap but I'm being realistic.

Spiderman should win a romp.

Originally posted by Hulk rules all
Spiderman should win a romp.

I'll probably sound like an idiot saying this and lose some credibility, but whats a romp? Do I want to know? 😕

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I want to know why everyone is ignoring the stingers... Those took out Morlun in one hit. Morlun is th man who isn't even phased when he has a lamp post or truck rammed into him. He was the only one in comics to succede in killing Spiderman. Then, Spidey gets the stingers and takes out Morlun with one stab from them.

Combine the stingers with the enhanced speed and Cap will have a hard time winning. I give this to Spiderman 8.5/10.

I love Cap but I'm being realistic.

Well to be fair Spider-Man hasn't really shown that he can fully control the stingers so I didn't factor them in my assessment. I honestly don't think he needs them to take down Cap.

Originally posted by Hulk rules all
Spiderman should win a romp.

Huh? I hope that you romp means a fight and doesn't mean what normally think it means. Though if Spider-Man really wanted to Cap couldn't stop him...

I think he means romp as in "romp home" a racing term when the winning horse wins easily.

First, let me say that I believe Spiderman should win most if not all the matches against Captain America, but we're denying what Marvel has written. Spiderman has been shown to be on the recieving end more often than not and everybody still agrees that Spiderman wins going away.

I attempt to argue such fights as Wolverine against Hulk/Thing/Sasquatch, etc,,and recieve that its been written that Wolverine can hang with these characters.

Just something to ponder.

Originally posted by marvelprince
First off Peter always holds back, second you must know even less about Spider-Man than you thought or else you would have known that the suit doesn't amp him it all. The suit only provides the gadgets.

Im sure the suit amped his strength, durability and reflexes. The suit defintely gave him more resistance to damage.

Originally posted by marvelprince

If you don't think Cap was going all out then I think you're the one who doesn't no much about Cap. He is a hero, but if he has to stop you he will. Period. Thats the stance he took against Iron Man in the Armour Wars, the stance he took against Wolverine in Origins and the stance he took against Spider-Man in that fight. Spider-Man on the other hand worships Cap, constantly holds back and at the time is conflicted about what side he should be on

So Cap was trying to kill him then? So when Cap got him with that shot that made his legs numb he doesnt know other strikes that can do more lethal damage?

spiderman should win fairly easy. cap cant hit him with the shield, and spidey could maybe even grab it. and of course soidey wins of close

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im sure the suit amped his strength, durability and reflexes. The suit defintely gave him more resistance to damage.

You're wrong. It only gave him the added durability.

Originally posted by Alfheim
So Cap was trying to kill him then? So when Cap got him with that shot that made his legs numb he doesnt know other strikes that can do more lethal damage?

Well since Cap is so versed in the nerve strikes couldn't he has disabled Peter's arms and legs?

Originally posted by marvelprince
You're wrong. It only gave him the added durability.

Well what do you think his punches would have done if there was no durability then?

Originally posted by marvelprince

Well since Cap is so versed in the nerve strikes couldn't he has disabled Peter's arms and legs?

Some pressure points can kill Cap wasntr trying to kill him, he settled for making his kegs numb.

Just because he was able to move about afterwards doesnt mean it didnt work. The idea was to make him slow down , that doesnt mean Spiderman cant use legs to catch NORMAL humans and use his webbing.

Its a comic book not a film unless somebody tells you they are slowing down or he passes out your not going know, and peter said his legs were numb.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well what do you think his punches would have done if there was no durability then?

Well isn't this the same Cap who can hurt Hulk and other bricks by using pressure points? Spider-Man's little extra added durability should have been no problem

Originally posted by Alfheim
Some pressure points can kill Cap wasntr trying to kill him, he settled for making his kegs numb.

I never said Cap was trying to kill him. Said he could have gone for the disable

Originally posted by Alfheim
Just because he was able to move about afterwards doesnt mean it didnt work. The idea was to make him [B] slow down , that doesnt mean Spiderman cant use legs to catch NORMAL humans and use his webbing.[/B]

Didn't seem to do much good

Originally posted by Alfheim
Its a comic book not a film unless somebody tells you they are slowing down or he passes out your not going know, and peter said his legs were numb.

Actually because its a comic more exposition would be needed to show effects. In a movie you don't need have the character express pain, just show them mincing and grabbing the hurt area. In comics panels that show this, inner monologue will show this. All we got from Spider-Man was one reference to his legs being numb and then no on panel evidence to suggest that it was any more than a minor annoyance. No limping, no jelly legs, nothing.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Well isn't this the same Cap who can hurt Hulk and other bricks by using pressure points? Spider-Man's little extra added durability should have been no problem

Spiderman is alot faster then The Hulk.

Originally posted by marvelprince

I never said Cap was trying to kill him. Said he could have gone for the disable

Well the point is Cap was still holding back. Cap settled for making his legs numb.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Didn't seem to do much good

Actually because its a comic more exposition would be needed to show effects. In a movie you don't need have the character express pain, just show them mincing and grabbing the hurt area. In comics panels that show this, inner monologue will show this. All we got from Spider-Man was one reference to his legs being numb and then no on panel evidence to suggest that it was any more than a minor annoyance. No limping, no jelly legs, nothing.

Thats because he wasnt doing anything partculary difficult. He may have numb legs, but numb legs are not going to stop Spiderman from stopping normal humans, if he was fighting Cap thats another matter all together.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Though DD has great feats but he is not enhanced too the peak-human potential level that Cap possesses by the SSS. Although DD does possess feats that look superhuman in the real world, but by comic definition were beings can fly through stars and such. He is just classed as a Top-Athlete.

Now if Daredevil was in the DC verse he probably would be classed at Batman's level of peak-human as a man in his prime, since they have similar feats.

Daredevil may not have complete Peak Potential stats like our resident Super-Soilder. But he possess Super-senses which you already have mentioned.

Daredevil isnt enhanced like Cap, BUT hes still at the peak human level. It was stated(in comic) that hed break the world record in 100 yard dash and or highjump. He also have a few impressive strength feats as well. Like is stated before, "Peak Human" isnt a set number, its a range. Daredevil falls in that range as well as Cap, Kingpin etc. They may be higer than him on certain levels, but still all peak human nonetheless.

If Daredevil and Cap were both in DC, they would BOTH be classed at Batmans level. Hell, the only person that would rival DD in agility would be Nightwing. Caps speed may be sliightly better than DD's on average, but nothing to make much of a difference in battle. You make it seem as if Cap is in a class of his own, when he isnt.

Daredevil isnt enhanced like Cap, BUT hes still at the peak human level. It was stated(in comic) that hed break the world record in 100 yard dash and or highjump. He also have a few impressive strength feats as well. Like is stated before, "Peak Human" isnt a set number, its a range. Daredevil falls in that range as well as Cap, Kingpin etc. They may be higer than him on certain levels, but still all peak human nonetheless.

If Daredevil and Cap were both in DC, they would BOTH be classed at Batmans level. Hell, the only person that would rival DD in agility would be Nightwing. Caps speed may be sliightly better than DD's on average, but nothing to make much of a difference in battle. You make it seem as if Cap is in a class of his own, when he isnt.

In the DC verse Daredevil would be classed with Batman peakhuman but Cap would be classed with Slade as both are enhanced. Even in stats Cap is faster, strongers, more durable then Daredevil. Cap's mind is even enhanced by the SSS. Thats why Cap has the title for Peak of human potential, while in marvel Daredevil/Shang-Chi are classed as Athletes.

Here's more on the subject from a good poster named Texcap on comicboards that I enjoyed.

The "peak" designation given to athletes is simply not an all inclusive word. It cannot be all inclusive given it's actual meaning[s], and it's applicable nature to any number of qualified individuals. Muddled further by the very fact that Marvel does in fact apply it's own unique spin to the phrase "peak human" in a cannonical manner.

It's not a question of physically normal characters (in the M.U.) doing "super" feats, we're all very aware of the fact that Marvel's "normal" folks do amazing things -- things that we couldn't fathom in the real world -- but what's being missed is that beyond the built in, irrefutable, explanation that Captain America is "enhanced," is that Marvel has gone out of their way over the course of 60+ years to draw a distinction between (a) impressive human combatants, and (b) it's very select few: "peak humans."

(And while the handbooks may not be good for much, even they recognize and account for the physical distance between an impressive athlete, and the "peak human." With the "peak human," as they categorize it, being an unnattainable standard outside of artificial enhancement.)

Hawkeye, for example, has tremendous upper body strength. Within the pages of the books we've seen him perform feats of strength that athletes larger than himself were completely unable to (drawing his compound bow being one of them) and it has been pointed out that his uber training from childhood, with the bow, has contributed to his condition. Yet, Hawkeye himself tells us that he is no Captain America in terms of physical ability. Daredevil -- a "peak athlete" if there ever was one -- a man capable of shouldering weights that belie his size to the astonishment of verifiable strong men, yet capable of doing a triple back flip as if he were walking backwards draws the physical distinction between himself and Captain America. These characters absolutely perform "super" feats as we might view them -- but that's not the kicker. What is, is the fact that Captain America, himself, enjoys another category of ability than themselves all-together -- and always has. It simply means that with everything they do that's impressive, Cap's ability is simply physically "beyond" it.

Hawkeye - Impressive athlete, natural conditioning.
Cyclops - Impressive athlete, natural conditioning.
The Falcon - Impressive athlete, natural conditioning.

Wolverine - "Peak Human," artificial enhancement (Weapon X process).
Black Panther - "Peak Human," artificial enhancment (Wakandian herb).
Captain America - "Peak Human," artificial enhancment (Weapon I process, "Super Soldier Formula"😉

The difference? The "Peak Human" body does not follow natural ability or limitation, it has been enhanced to account for an unnatural physical ability.

Why? Because Captain America was "made" to actually be "preternatural." To be able to accomplish, what the "normal" human could not -- his entire purpose for being, so far as the military experiment was concerned. No human, outside of enhancement, has the physical capacity to shoulder what Cap is capable of aggregately (comic characters included, natch). No character, outside of enhancement, has an immune system capable of filtering deadly poisons out of they're body in a matter of minutes (if not faster). No character, outside of enhancment, has the ability to overcome fatigue to the degree that Cap is capable of. No character, outside of enhancement, enjoys a dramatic decrease in aging. No character, outside of enhancment, can endure the temperature extremes that Cap is capable. This list goes on and on.

Cap can do it because he was "created" to do it.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
In the DC verse Daredevil would be classed with Batman peakhuman but Cap would be classed with Slade as both are enhanced. Even in stats Cap is faster, strongers, more durable then Daredevil. Cap's mind is even enhanced by the SSS. Thats why Cap has the title for Peak of human potential, while in marvel Daredevil/Shang-Chi are classed as Athletes.

Cap would be classified as enhanced with Slade because they both are enhanced. Cap has been enhanced to peak human levels. If you wanna go by handbook stats, in strength Cap is rated as 3 while DD is 2, but DD SHOULD be rated as 3 as well. They both are rated 2 in speed. And as far as durability goes, he has the edge only due to him wearing plate mail and having a shield.