Solving the Debate Of Jack/Liz

Also what i find interesting is how that site said Jack uses his drunken movements to keep his enemies off gaurd around him (which he seems to do in the movies)..notice how he seems to be so comfortable around Liz he hardly EVER does it? That must be a mark of deep trust in her.

And another theory..even though the compass points to Jack 3 times as she holds it..it must have also been pointing to the location of the chest..Do you think that she was really finding the way because she wanted to mke JACK happy in finding the chest? Was she really thinking of Jack instead of Will when the compass was showing her the right way to the chest? The fact it points at Jack a 3 times would suggest more of a significance towards her caring more for Jack when finding the chest compared with Will.

ERK!! also seems as if Will is the person who tought her how to use a sword...so he cant be restricting her too much 🙁

That wikipedia. it knows everything. HAHAHAHA. oh gee....

Yeah I wouldnt mark Will down as restricting.... I think its more that she's already GOT Will, he isnt a mystery any more. she knows what he tastes like. she knows how he is going to respond to everything. she is probably afraid that he is too good for her in the sense of too honorable--- that she would be restricted by morals, ya know? He fought for her, and continues to fight for her, but she is changing so much. I recently had this discussion with myself about a guy, really caring about him and loving who he was, but knowing that I would end up hurting him soooo much because I am just wild and manipulative and unpredicatble, even to myself.... so thats probably similar to what Liz is feeling---

she cares for him, but the restriction in her own mind about who she would have to be if she stayed with will makes her question her relationship to him.
And then she has Jack there, trusting her, allowing and even encouraging her to let loose and take off the corset, heck, go naked if she pleases. Plus she is attracted to him and he is to her. That flatters her.
I had a lovely dream last night, most of which i dont remember, but in the end i remember being wounded and there was this person that i trusted absolutely right by me, and i just held his hand and fell asleep on his chest, and i woke up with such a sense of well-being. I think in many ways Liz and Jack have that connection... seeing as Jack is a bit older (though probably only about 10 years) and wiser, and seems to know everything, she feels a sense of safety with him... a sense of protection. If she were truly in danger, I think she would run to him, like when she clings to his leg in that moment of hotness.
Jack's line "we're not through this yet love," is so beautiful because it is HONEST... he could put on a goofy grin and make a hopeful remark, but instead of trying to appease her or confuse her (as he does with everyone else, including Gibbs) he just states the truth. Its very emotional, they have an IN that no one else shares. Even when Liz is tricking him, there is this aura of trust and friendship. She wouldnt have done that sort of thing to anyone else. And of course she regretted it later, because she had lost her trusted friend, her hero, that person who could comfort her better than other people could, because he understood her. Now, she feels, no one truly understands who she is, or who she has become.

awww thank you katelovespirate-- of course you can put it in your sig! I'm glad you liked it.

And it's very true that Jack is rarely serious with anyone except Elizabeth. He's always putting on that wild man facade with everyone else, keeping them at a distance. In a lot of ways, Lizzie is the only one that Jack has ACTUAL conversations with. Gibbs might come in a good second. 😎

WOW you are so great with words.

I agree with you so much.

One thing i notice with that site is that they dont really explain what the deeper meanings could be in the film..they just speak about the face value of it all. Have to remember that they are in the dark about whats going to happen next just like we are 🙂 So what they are saying is still only an opinion.

I wonder if in the next one. There will be a moment where there is a huge danger..I wonder if she will run to Jack for protection instead of Will? Jack might question her over the decision..and it might bring out some home truths between the two..they might just drop the denial and talk about their feelings. If will continues to be hunting for his Dad then Liz is going to feel more and more disconnected from him.

She realised at the end that Jack resembles everything she really wants in a man. Which is a good willed, yet free willed, piratelike person. I think that moment where Jack came back pretty much confirmed for her what she was fearing...That Jack IS what she wants in a man. He has shown her both the qualities she admires...where as Will only shows one..that was it for her..she still wasnt ready to accept it so she tried to just brush the "problem" under the rug again...but on a drastic level..

You dont understand how sold out I will feel if Disney pair Will up with Liz in the next..I'm not kidding I will probably walk out of there cursing at the screen! It would be a HUGE mistake to do that. The majotity audience would leave feeling unsatisfied..I'm sure of it. It wont go down as a great ending to an amazing franchise..it will go down as just your normal average ending..🙁

I mean Jack lose out to WILL? come on!

And even if they try to explain away all the sexual tension between Liz/Jack in the next one... the audience are STILL going to be unhappy..EVEN if will begins to change for her..people are still not going to be satisfied..If Jack shows he doesn't want her people wont like it

they cant dangle this whole amazing possibility infront of everyone and then say ha ha no you cant have it!...gonna piss alot of people off..

As usual, I agree in a big way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂

I will feel cheated if they explain things away. I mean, I dont know what will happen, and I still think it likely that she will end up with that Will, but i suppose i will generally like the movie.... as long as they dont pretend there isnt or hasnt been anything between Jack and Liz. This is a tough call. If she does have to end up with stupid Will, at least leave things open with Jack-- at least they could make it clear they both care for each other and are still attracted to each other, and just couldnt end up together for now. I will be royally pissed off and feel extremely cheated if they act like nothing is between them, or if they use something dumb to explain it all away.

Or they could do the smart thing and explain away Liz and Will, which seems to be easier to do. hehehehe.

Maybe Lizzie will get preggers...

Maybe Lizzie will get preggers...

Oh........I hope not.....

hahaha no because then she couldnt wear exciting pirate clothes!!!!! lol

Originally posted by LovelyOne
WOW you are so great with words.

I agree with you so much.

One thing i notice with that site is that they dont really explain what the deeper meanings could be in the film..they just speak about the face value of it all. Have to remember that they are in the dark about whats going to happen next just like we are 🙂 So what they are saying is still only an opinion.

I wonder if in the next one. There will be a moment where there is a huge danger..I wonder if she will run to Jack for protection instead of Will? Jack might question her over the decision..and it might bring out some home truths between the two..they might just drop the denial and talk about their feelings. If will continues to be hunting for his Dad then Liz is going to feel more and more disconnected from him.

She realised at the end that Jack resembles everything she really wants in a man. Which is a good willed, yet free willed, piratelike person. I think that moment where Jack came back pretty much confirmed for her what she was fearing...That Jack IS what she wants in a man. He has shown her both the qualities she admires...where as Will only shows one..that was it for her..she still wasnt ready to accept it so she tried to just brush the "problem" under the rug again...but on a drastic level..

You dont understand how sold out I will feel if Disney pair Will up with Liz in the next..I'm not kidding I will probably walk out of there cursing at the screen! It would be a HUGE mistake to do that. The majotity audience would leave feeling unsatisfied..I'm sure of it. It wont go down as a great ending to an amazing franchise..it will go down as just your normal average ending..🙁

I mean Jack lose out to WILL? come on!

And even if they try to explain away all the sexual tension between Liz/Jack in the next one... the audience are STILL going to be unhappy..EVEN if will begins to change for her..people are still not going to be satisfied..If Jack shows he doesn't want her people wont like it

they cant dangle this whole amazing possibility infront of everyone and then say ha ha no you cant have it!...gonna piss alot of people off..

Yes.......if that script for the POTC 3 trailor is real........then Will throws Liz's hands of him sometime in the film.....

gosh maybe it will be liz cutting her heart out. lol

Originally posted by random21
thanks 😄

whoa. that makes sense. and you know the hat was important to him because he makes several comments about it in the first movie like when he threatens elizabeth hes like "Commodore Norrington, my effects, please. And my hat. Commodore." so yeah its important to him and so is elizabeth. sry to change subjects.

anyways i liked how they added how norrington and tia, i think her name is, know that elizabeth wants jack. its pretty funny 😂

haha and im not a flim study person. im only gunna be a freshman =P but i see the clues when you guys point them out.

And don't forget Lord Beckett - he knows too. When she holds him at gunpoint while he is signing the letters of pardon....did you read that thread....

Sometime I wonder if her father secretly worries about Elizabeth having a thing for Jack - notice every time she mentions Jack he gets all uptight - and when Beckett has him handcuffed his hench man tells him that he last saw Elizabeth in Tortuga hooking up with Jack Sparrow, and the Gov's like "oh no" - course I guess it just mean he thinks Sparrow is bad news and nothing but trouble - especially she is being sentenced to death for helping him escape at the end of POTC 1

^^ Yea.......another example of how Jack can cheat death....

Originally posted by katelovespirate
about the compass, i need to watch it again! that is a good point!

the last time I saw it I tried to see if there was some clue - but couldn't see any. But I did wonder if maybe he got frustrated cuz it was pointing to Port Royal. No way to really tell.

LOL, i just remember the scene when they escape from the cannibal island and they are on the Black Pearl-- Will tells Jack he has to help him save Elizabeth and he tells Will he really should keep that girl locked up - like she's wild. Then Will tells him she is locked up for her help in saving him. LOL his response: There comes a time in everyone's live that one must pay for one's mistakes. LOL Classic Jack.

YES CLASSIC JACK!!! thats beautiful. I love that part.

I think when Jack is suggesting lock her up, he is hinting that Will is not man enough to control his woman. Like, c'mon Will, cant you handle her? Cause if you can't, I WILL.... muah hahahaha....

Originally posted by katelovespirate
YES CLASSIC JACK!!! thats beautiful. I love that part.

I think when Jack is suggesting lock her up, he is hinting that Will is not man enough to control his woman. Like, c'mon Will, cant you handle her? Cause if you can't, I WILL.... muah hahahaha....

Oh yes I agree...

You know it's funny how the Liz/Will fans think that when the compass points to Jack it just means she needs to get through Jack to get to Will.
If that were true why does she get that look, Like "this can't be true. I don't want him!" bUT YET AT THE SAME TIME AFTER THE LITTLE PERSUADE ME SCENE - SHE CAN'T HELP SMILE AND FILL ALL GIGGLY ABOUT JACK....TELL ME LADIES YOU DO KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE YOU HAVE A CRUSH ON FLIRT WITH YOU AND THEN WHEN HE'S GONE YOU HAVE THAT SAME LOOK ELIZABETH HAS ON HER FACE.

Why would they put that part she throws the tantrum on the beach cuz it's pointed to jack once again and Norrington has that look, "Like Oh Please can you stop playing games and just admit you want the guy...."

ahaha i agree 🙂

I know I may repeat myself but it's just so funny how Jack has affected all these people's lives and turned them all upside down ever since he sailed into Port Royal....Will was just a blacksmith, but then turned semi-Pirate (because Will still tries to put honor before selfish impulse) at the lead of Our Dear Captain, Elizabeth was just a young lady enjoying the life of a governor's prim daughter - yet now she has turned into a Pirate --- even trading a Man's life to save her own....Poor old Commodore Norrington - he went from upstanding snoot who lived to serve others to a full-fledge snooty pirate - gruby and drunk on rum, then out-foxing them all and running off with Davy Jones' treasure and the letters of pardon for his own selfish reason - reinstatement into the British Ranks.

Jack also has very nasty enemies out to ruin him -Captain Barboorsa, Davy Jones and Cutler Beckett.....

Gosh, he is such a dominant charcter with such charisma
Jack has stolen my heart......

And as I've said before - the hottest Jack Sparrow has ever looked is when he grabs the gun, Elizabeth clinging to his leg as he shoots the rifle, then as his back is turned to Lizzie while he takes what he thinks will be his last look-over the Black Pearl (who he has finally decided to give up - he has essentially chosen Elizabeth over the Black Pearl). He just looks so handsome, manly in that Coat - then when he turns to Elizabeth and softly, enduringly says, "We're not free yet, love" the way he is looking at her just makes you want to melt -and then the witch tricks him - she finally gives into that selfish impulse and turns full-fledged Pirate - but that just makes him admire her all the more - she's a pirate now - just like him -they are alike - two peas in a pod.

When Jack is in the long boat - he starts having doubts about abandoning ship, he turns to look at the land, then his "good nature" finally gets the best of him and pulls out the magical compass -which was not pointing to the Black Pearl....because he tells Gibbs and the crew to abandon ship and Gibbs is like, "Captian, the Black Pearl?" Jack responds, "It's only a ship, mate." Meaning he has realized that people (his friends,Elizabeth) are more important than material objects.....

Jack Sparrow forever.

I just realized I may hay have one of the biggest let down of my life if they don't put Lizzie and Jack together.. Just can't wait to see how Disney has handled the reunion of these two...the first time they face each other since the infamous scene....will just seems like an afterthought in POTC 2, whereas Jack and Elizabeth took the front burner. I know Will had a storyline - but it was actually kind of boring. In fact, the parts on the Flying Dutchman are like the most boring parts of the entire movie...I guess because, maybe it's just me, but I'm just not into Will, he's boring. Jack is so much more appealing. He's wild and untameable. He's a challenge. He's freespirited and oh so sexy. He's crazy, comical, yet can be serious and caring.....He seems more like the hero - and Lizz is the lead lady....Doesn't Disney usaully hook the lead man with the lead lady?

Just repeating myself, but again, I wonder why they would have Elizabeth cling to Jack's leg as he shoots the gun.. IT would have been much more POTC 1 for her to smile at jack and then turn and run down the stairs to Will's side as he drops from the cargo net just before Jack shoots.....and saying "Oh, Will" however, she is wrapped up in Jack - she crawls up the to the platform and grabs on to him in that "oh My Hero" type pose....and he looks so masculine shooting the Gun...yo ho..yummmmmmm - I sure wish they would have showed how they got out of that pose after he shot the gun...

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
the last time I saw it I tried to see if there was some clue - but couldn't see any. But I did wonder if maybe he got frustrated cuz it was pointing to Port Royal. No way to really tell.

LOL, i just remember the scene when they escape from the cannibal island and they are on the Black Pearl-- Will tells Jack he has to help him save Elizabeth and he tells Will he really should keep that girl locked up - like she's wild. Then Will tells him she is locked up for her help in saving him. LOL his response: There comes a time in everyone's live that one must pay for one's mistakes. LOL Classic Jack.

LOL when it comes out on DVD we can use super zoom.

lol you think that Jack was secretly quite moved that Liz was in there for him?

Also notice the double meaning "keep her locked up she's becoming uncontrollable" which is just like Davy Jones and his Calypso.

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
Just repeating myself, but again, I wonder why they would have Elizabeth cling to Jack's leg as he shoots the gun.. IT would have been much more POTC 1 for her to smile at jack and then turn and run down the stairs to Will's side as he drops from the cargo net just before Jack shoots.....and saying "Oh, Will" however, she is wrapped up in Jack - she crawls up the to the platform and grabs on to him in that "oh My Hero" type pose....and he looks so masculine shooting the Gun...yo ho..yummmmmmm - I sure wish they would have showed how they got out of that pose after he shot the gun...

She was completley smitten with him by that point..I think thats when she decides she cant let it go on because there is a real threat that it can in the future, she still is in denial and she doesn't think she wants to accept the possibility.