Naga Sadow vs. Kyle Katarn & Mara Jade

Originally posted by Sith'ari
The whole article and video was talking about coreography and comparing the OT to the PT in that way. When Lucas stated it, it was also very vague and ambiguous.

Originally posted by Advent
Nebaris, I'm getting quite tired of continuously disproving your ridiculous theories, but for the sake of humanity, I can not allow your lack of capable reasoning to go unanswered to.

He's discussing the choreography for the entire movies, unless you're going to argue that he only wanted the lightsaber duels (and there was only one in TPM) to be "more energized version and a more faster version" in TPM alone, then I suggest you get a grip of reality. You can also use the dialogue he uses to describe the OT, and infer that he means the [b]entire prequel trilogy because of his description of how the PT will differ from the OT.

Yes, to you the following statements are correct, however, to the rest of the world they are wrong.

1.) "Relative peace"? There wasn't even relative peace in TPM itself! Queen Amidala was in danger of getting assassinated, the Trade Federation wanted to seize Naboo, and a huge battle erupted.

2.) How exactly would it make sense for the fights to be "more energized/faster/extravagant/spectacular/etc" if it's in a time of "relative peace"?

3.) You're arguing with the Lucas, logic, and everything in between. As I said before, I suggest you stop.

4.) Instead of me posting the six definitions of "prime" from the dictionary, I'll give it to you from the thesaurus (quick def.):

Main Entry: prime
Part of Speech: noun 1
Definition: best

Since Lucas was referring to the entire PT era (and he was, it's stupidity on your part to argue it), your points are defeated.

Again (in case you missed it the first time): He's discussing the choreography for the entire movies, unless you're going to argue that he only wanted the lightsaber duels (and there was only one in TPM) to be "more energized version and a more faster version" in TPM alone, then I suggest you get a grip on reality. You can also use the dialogue he uses to describe the OT, and infer that he means the entire prequel trilogy because of his description of how the PT will differ from the OT.

Maybe because AOTC and ROTS weren't released yet (though that's not to say Lucas didn't know what he wanted for them)? Lucas makes clear that it's his vision for the entire PT (being the "Prime of the Jedi"😉 that he wants all the lightsaber duels to differ from what we saw in the OT ("old men, crippled half droid/half men, young boys"😉, not just in TPM alone where we only see one freaking duel.

So, sadly, because "The Prime of the Jedi" says everything about the Jedi of the era, and because you're illogical (and can't accept being wrong, I mean really - making up shit like "Lucas looked tired"? lol) your theories are disproved, and my facts stand.

Only unlucky that I have to deal with your bull, Nebaris.

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Originally posted by Advent
How exactly was he "vague"? Quit making shit up, GM.

'Lucas said that the PT is the prime of the Jedi where lightsaber skills are concerned'

Stop making stuff up. He stated that the PT is the prime of the jedi [not where lightsaber skills are concerned] in an article that was behind the scenes for episode 1, and was discussing choreography with Nick Gillard and comparing the OT to the PT.

Originally posted by Sith'ari
'Lucas said that the PT is the prime of the Jedi where lightsaber skills are concerned'

Stop making stuff up. He stated that the PT is the prime of the jedi [not where lightsaber skills are concerned] in an article that was behind the scenes for episode 1, and was discussing choreography with Nick Gillard and comparing the OT to the PT.

Motoko's proof above says it all, Nebaris.

Indeed it is, or you could just go to the Anakin and Obi-Wan vs. Revan and Malak thread for further Adventpwnage.

No it doesn't. Lucas said it in a very casual way. You can't just take such an ambiguous statement and rely on them in debates.

Originally posted by Sith'ari
No it doesn't. Lucas said it in a very casual way. You can't just take such an ambiguous statement and rely on them in debates.

How is it "ambiguous"? Quit making shit up, GM.

Sith'ari: It can be interpreted differently!!!
Motoko: Uh, no.
Lucas: "...to see Jedi fighting in the Prime of the Jedi".
Motoko: You were saying?

The statement is dissected like so, "to see Jedi" means the Jedi Order as a whole, and "Prime of the Jedi" means simply "best". So, you put it all together, and the conclusion is: The PT era is the best Order of Jedi we've seen. The highest quality, excellence. And I don't see how it's a stretch considering almost everyone is either a "prodigy", "strong in the Force", "one of the best swordsbeings", etc. And, there's a lot more than five or six.

The thing is, the entire article is discussing choreography and comparing the OT to the PT, so maybe Lucas considered that he didn't have to be clear and add on 'in comparison to the movies' at the end. Either way, you have failed to convince me.

'How exactly was he "vague"? Quit making shit up, GM.'

He didn't put any emphasis onto it whatsoever. I mean he even looked kind of sleepy at the time - it was very vague.

wow... lol

Originally posted by Sith'ari
The thing is, the entire article is discussing choreography and comparing the OT to the PT,so maybe Lucas considered that he didn't have to be clear and add on 'in comparison to the movies' at the end.

"...to see Jedi fighting in the Prime of the Jedi I wanted it to be a more energized version and a more faster version."- what Lucas is saying is that he wants the duels to be extravagant because of the era.

Either way, you have failed to convince me.

And? It's not like convincing an elitist Star Wars fan is something important. Especially when you consider your bias, horrible reasonings, and the fact you hardly accept it when you're wrong.

He didn't put any emphasis onto it whatsoever.

WTH? He said "...to see Jedi (Jedi Order as a whole) fighting in the Prime of the Jedi (best)" - it's perfectly clear, and after gave that as a reason as to why he wanted the duels to be more extravagant.

I mean he even looked kind of sleepy at the time - it was very vague.

ROFL! This is what I'm talking about. Horrible reasonings, get real. I could just as easily say George Lucas' words are invalid because he has no chin.

Absurd logic.

'"...to see Jedi fighting in the Prime of the Jedi I wanted it to be a more energized version and a more faster version."- what Lucas is saying is that he wants the duels to be extravagant because of the era.'

Didn't realise you were aware of Lucas' hidden thoughts. Impressive...

'ROFL! This is what I'm talking about. Horrible reasonings, get real. I could just as easily say George Lucas' words are invalid because he has no chin.

Absurd logic.'

Invalid analogy. His fatigue adds to the ambiguity of the statement. His physical appearance doesn't.

Originally posted by Sith'ari
Invalid analogy. His fatigue adds to the ambiguity of the statement. His physical appearance doesn't.

The similarity is absurdity. He looked tired, therefore his words are invalid/weren't thought out clearly? What bullshit. As I said, get real. It doesn't matter if he hadn't slept for three days, or for ten - he was on camera, on documented film, and better yet; he published it on the website, ergo his words are valid, and because of such, your ridiculous reasonings are the only thing that is invalid.

'He looked tired, therefore his words are invalid/weren't thought out clearly?'

Well you see, that's not what I said, so quit putting words into my mouth Mokoto. I just stated that his fatigue added to how unclear and vague the statement was.

Originally posted by Sith'ari
Well you see, that's not what I said, so quit putting words into my mouth Mokoto. I just stated that his fatigue added to how unclear and vague the statement was.

Even worse than what I said for you. What in the world does him looking (keyword) tired have to do with his statement? First of all, it's clear - you just don't accept it, and secondly, it's not vague, GM, so quit making shit up.

"...to see Jedi fighting..." - Jedi Order as a whole.
"...in the Prime of the Jedi..." - PotJ meaning "best".
"...I wanted it to be a more energized version and a faster version" - Describing how he wants the PT because of the above.

Originally posted by Advent
Even worse than what I said for you. What in the world does him looking (keyword) tired have to do with his statement? First of all, it's clear - you just don't accept it, and secondly, it's not vague, GM, so quit making shit up.

"...to see Jedi fighting..." - Jedi Order as a whole.
"...in the Prime of the Jedi..." - PotJ meaning "best".
"...I wanted it to be a more energized version and a faster version" - Describing how he wants the PT because of the above.

It is vague Mokoto. He doesn't add any emphasis onto the statement, and he states it in a monotonous and very unclear way.

Originally posted by Sith'ari
It is vague Mokoto. He doesn't add any emphasis onto the statement, and he states it in a monotonous and very unclear way.

GM, that's only your opinion. And monotone? Seriously, since when does GL have to have a specific sound in his voice? He always sounds that way, and how is it unclear? I just broke the entire thing down for you. The Jedi Order in the PT is the highest quality, or "best" Order we've seen, that is clear:

Main Entry: prime
Part of Speech: noun 1
Definition: best

How is "Prime of the Jedi" vague? PotJ = Best of the Jedi. Buddha damn, you really don't have a clue.

As I said before: quit making shit up, GM, you're not gaining any support by doing it.

I'm not saying that the words are unclear or vague, only the way he said it.

Sadow would get his arse handed to him in a duel, and, quite frankly, I don't see why he's so great in the force. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, the most powerful force attack we've seen from him is him throwing a single brick, correct?

No! The most devastating Force power he's used (without equipment) is taking out two bricks, and throwing one on Ludo's head. He's a Force god, I tell you, maybe even the Force god:

So far, from what he's demonstrated there - he's on par with OT Luke (without his ship, that is).