Originally posted by jollyjim311
Also, other Sith Magic doesn't affect force sensitives (such as Kun's freezing the senate), so, why should the Amulet blast? Especially seeing as how when people had the opportunity to use the amulets in fights, they didn't.
I just told you, the only force based part of the amulet blast is the channeling of anger. The beam itself is not a force attack, so it's not going to sway away from a force user. And you're right, Kun's sith spell didn't..How about Ragnos' scepter? That's sith Magic and it certainly affects everybody.
Sadow created the amulet, not necessarily the amulet blast. As masters of sith alchemy they created tools into which to channel and augment their darkside power/anger exponentially, meaning Sadow most likely wasn't the only one with the blast capabilities.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
"If they were so great why were they wiped out"?
THanks for your incredible logic lightsnake.
You seem to think the Ancient Sith are the "l337 St4r W4r5 M4ast3rs 0f t3h Un1v3rse", and you really don't support them with anything concrete, and then you also skirt my actual post, and rant about one line. Great way to avoid the post, tdtd.
Well then, if Palpatine was so powerful, why did he get curbstomped by a machine?
Curbstomped by a machine? Lmfao. As I can see, you're still making shit up. He was caught off guard by Vader while he was in the middle of pwning Luke. His apprentice for twenty some years turned on him, he didn't expect it. On top of that, he killed Vader anyways.
See how ridiculous that sounds?
I see how ridiculous the comparison was. Palpatine was killed by a sneak attack, and had no clue what was going on. I mean, Dor-Gal-Ram was pwned by his own Massassi crew. Sylvar managed to own two of them with her bare hands. Real powerful, Ancient Sith.
Lets see how Sadow was wiped out.. Oh yes, arrogance.. Palpatine, arrogance. Kun, arrogance.
Kun was wiped out by arrogance? No. As a living Kun released his own spirit, betrayed by his apprentice, and a spirit Kun was attacked by like twelve different apprentices, who already knew how to defend against him. And Palpatine - arrogance? Only arrogant to think his loyal apprentice for the past twenty years wouldn't turn on him. And in DE, he was killed by his own powers, because Luke and Leia used the power of the Lightside against him.
But of course if Sadow was all powerful he would have lived forever, like the highlander.. That is ridiculous logic and a poor attempt to discredit Sadow and the ancient sith, as lightsnake always tries to do.
And another thing, where was it said that Kyle was a saber prodigy?
Apparently, you didn't read my post, as I figured. Read my post, it's clear from what he's done that he is a lightsaber prodigy, it's ridiculous to assume otherwise, given what we know.
Originally posted by Advent
Apparently this is DN Kyle Katarn, so what makes me think he would win? Har. I should be asking you how Sadow can stop him in direct combat. We know Kyle has at least nine years of battle experience compared to Sadow's...uh, defeat in the same year of going into war? He was in the GCW, and the YZ War. Experience does matter (case in point: Obi-Wan vs. Anakin), though it's not the end all, be all; it still accounts for something.And really, Kyle is simply a lightsaber prodigy and master (like Ulic and Kun were). He defeated Desann, where Luke didn't (well, there was a reason for that though), and numerous other Dark Jedi. I mean, seriously, he defeated seven Dark Jedi in combat, including Jerec (who was a fully trained Jedi as well), without much training at all actually. And keep in mind that Jerec was trained by Sidious himself, and Vader. Kyle was the Battlemaster as well of the era. He was able to defeat Boba when working as a mercenary, and numerous other Imperial troopers. And also challenged Mara herself without any training still. I'd say he has far more combat experience than Sadow.
We've seen Sadow battle Ludo Kressh, that's about it. We know Kyle has defeated fully trained opponents while having little training, and now he's a lightsaber master, a Battlemaster at that with a lot of experience. I'd say he can defeat Sadow.
Not to mention, he's also got Mara Jade to help out. While I don't think she's much of a match for Sadow, she's a nice icing on the cake.
I'd give it to Kyle and Mara from what we know about them, and from what little we know about Sadow's actual power.
On top of that, I must be a psychic:
Originally posted by Advent
Of course, now I'll just have to wait for your "etc, etc, etc" reply.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I just told you, the only force based part of the amulet blast is the channeling of anger. The beam itself is not a force attack, so it's not going to sway away from a force user. And you're right, Kun's sith spell didn't..How about Ragnos' scepter? That's sith Magic and it certainly affects everybody.
Oh? Ragnos' scepter? The one that Jaden failed to kill Kyle with, and actually got pwned in the DS ending? Now, it's not necessarily the canon ending, but that doesn't mean he still can't do it if the situation arises.
Originally posted by Advent
You seem to think the Ancient Sith are the "l337 St4r W4r5 M4ast3rs 0f t3h Un1v3rse", and you really don't support them with anything concrete, and then you also skirt my actual post, and rant about one line. Great way to avoid the post, tdtd.
Oh how cute, the kmc mentality is when one gets angry at me, refer to calling me tdtd. Way to go Sama, your anger is transparent. But I guess I'm "tdtd" when anybody is heated, that's nice.
I don't support anything I've ever said about the ancient sith? Interesting, so I guess next thing you'll say is I haven't made 1 argument my entire time being here. A humorous defense mechanism for anger. And yes, I skirt your actual post because it is 100% evident that by saying "Oh if theyre so cool how come they died", you're diminishing their abilities. Which is why I responded with an equally irrelevant and ridiculous post about Sidious(which coincidentally is very relevant in response to your ridiculous statement). No need to get angry Sama.
Curbstomped by a machine? Lmfao. As I can see, you're still making shit up. He was caught off guard by Vader while he was in the middle of pwning Luke. His apprentice for twenty some years turned on him, he didn't expect it. On top of that, he killed Vader anyways.
Yes I'm full of shit. Because I didn't state that the sith's only real weakness is arrogance. But apparently you can diminish the ancient sith's abilities and powers but when I do the EXACT same thing in the EXACT same context, I'm making shit up? Nice one Sama, you're on the ball today. So let me explain this again so you understand. Sadow and his crew were wiped out because of his arrogance, does that make him any less powerful? Sidious was wiped out because of his arrogance(twice), but do we diminish his abilities? Heavens no!
I see how ridiculous the comparison was. Palpatine was killed by a sneak attack, and had no clue what was going on. I mean, Dor-Gal-Ram was pwned by his own Massassi crew. Sylvar managed to own two of them with her bare hands. Real powerful, Ancient Sith.
oh but Sama, if Sidious was so powerful, he would have seen it coming!
In case you don't notice it, I'm doing exactly what you did to my statements, back to you. Yes, making excuses for certain characters and diminishing others. Except I'm doing it to prove a point while you're diminishing the ancient sith and making excuses for Sidious. A work of art.
Apparently, you didn't read my post, as I figured. Read my post, it's clear from what he's done that he is a lightsaber prodigy, it's ridiculous to assume otherwise, given what we know.
oh, so he was a lightsaber prodigy, that's nice.. Now you're going to quantify that how? Kun and Ulic were lightsaber prodigies too, so is Kyle=Kun or Ulic? And because we know very little about the ancient sith dueling abilities, they're automatically weaker? I suppose Tulak Hord was also a nobody just because he was mentioned as the "best", yet we know very little about him.
Oh? Ragnos' scepter? The one that Jaden failed to kill Kyle with, and actually got pwned in the DS ending? Now, it's not necessarily the canon ending, but that doesn't mean he still can't do it if the situation arises.
Gee Sama, I didn't know that what Tavion was using it for and what Jaden did to Kyle were the exact attacks! And I highly doubt non canon endings can be used in a debate. Now Kyle must be superior to all the planets Tavion drained if you believe Tavion and Jacen used the same exactly blasts. Then again, as you said it, DS endings mean nothing.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
A blast to his ship? It was as simple as disrupting his battle meditation. And where was it stated the Ancients had these incredible defenses?
It doesn't have to be stated lightsnake, I gave you an example of what the Freemasons do. If the ancient sith created techniques without defenses, they would be blowing each other up randomly.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Oh how cute, the kmc mentality is when one gets angry at me, refer to calling me tdtd.
No, the "KMC mentality", as you call it, is when someone acts like a sock of a banned member, refer to them as said banned member.
Way to go Sama, your anger is transparent. But I guess I'm "tdtd" when anybody is heated, that's nice.
Thanks for the evaluation, Doc.
I don't support anything I've ever said about the ancient sith?
With concrete evidence? No. More or less, you only make assumptions on their power. The only thing concrete is:
1.) Ragnos is the most powerful.
2.) Sadow and Kressh are the two most powerful under Ragnos.
3.) They were Sith magicians (however, we don't even know what they have).
4.) Some misc. things.
For this match, you haven't laid much down that can be applied. I, however, have; which you still are avoiding.
Interesting, so I guess next thing you'll say is I haven't made 1 argument my entire time being here. A humorous defense mechanism for anger.
Defense mechanism? What am I getting angry about? It's just Star Wars, amigo. You're not making any good rebuttals, so I fail to see why I'd be mad.
And yes, I skirt your actual post because it is 100% evident that by saying "Oh if theyre so cool how come they died", you're diminishing their abilities.
Wow, td. If you noticed my entire post didn't even say that, other than one sentence. The rest was what you asked me to do, which was:
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
And you're only speculating Sadow would lose, unless of course you have definitive proof or even logical deduction that somehow the likes of Sadow and Kressh, who were 2nd in the apex of Sith power, are below the likes of Kyle? Come on..
Which is why I responded with an equally irrelevant and ridiculous post about Sidious(which coincidentally is very relevant in response to your ridiculous statement). No need to get angry Sama.
Equally irrelevant? Do you need to check your glasses?
Originally posted by Advent
Oh wow, I didn't know I said that! Oh wait...I didn't z0mg!I'm saying that while Sadow probably has the Force advantage, we haven't seen him use any Sith magic in a fight, and I'm not saying that he doesn't know it because he obviously does, but we don't know the Sith spells that he actually has. We have not seen him demonstrate any power of even with his amulets, and the only real display of power we saw him doing without his ship (which he doesn't have here obviously) was throwing a brick at Ludo's head.
I'm sure he can do what Aleema can do, but I doubt that's enough to actually defeat Kyle and Mara. Plus, Kyle could always use Mara as a sacrificial lamb for one of Sadow's force attacks, and then engage him in combat anyways.
Lmfao. A versus fight is basically entirely speculation. None of these fights' victors are cold, hard fact. Anyways, Kyle has done far more impressive things than Sadow. "Apex of Sith power"? Is that why they were wiped off of the face of the galaxy?
Please, you have no proof other than "l0l s4d0\_l_/ []Dwn5 4ll! sauphcxuxncsd89 ANC1ent 51th ph4llu5!!///!ONEOIDH!".
Apparently this is DN Kyle Katarn, so what makes me think he would win? Har. I should be asking you how Sadow can stop him in direct combat. We know Kyle has at least nine years of battle experience compared to Sadow's...uh, defeat in the same year of going into war? He was in the GCW, and the YZ War. Experience does matter (case in point: Obi-Wan vs. Anakin), though it's not the end all, be all; it still accounts for something.
And really, Kyle is simply a lightsaber prodigy and master (like Ulic and Kun were). He defeated Desann, where Luke didn't (well, there was a reason for that though), and numerous other Dark Jedi. I mean, seriously, he defeated seven Dark Jedi in combat, including Jerec (who was a fully trained Jedi as well), without much training at all actually. And keep in mind that Jerec was trained by Sidious himself, and Vader. Kyle was the Battlemaster as well of the era. He was able to defeat Boba when working as a mercenary, and numerous other Imperial troopers. And also challenged Mara herself without any training still. I'd say he has far more combat experience than Sadow.
We've seen Sadow battle Ludo Kressh, that's about it. We know Kyle has defeated fully trained opponents while having little training, and now he's a lightsaber master, a Battlemaster at that with a lot of experience. I'd say he can defeat Sadow.
Not to mention, he's also got Mara Jade to help out. While I don't think she's much of a match for Sadow, she's a nice icing on the cake.
I'd give it to Kyle and Mara from what we know about them, and from what little we know about Sadow's actual power. Of course, now I'll just have to wait for your "etc, etc, etc" reply.
Your post was pretty much aimless bullshit, mine actually laid down things about Kyle. You were just too stuck on one line to see that, which is what I predicted your post to be "etc, etc, etc".
Yes I'm full of shit.
I know.
Because I didn't state that the sith's only real weakness is arrogance. But apparently you can diminish the ancient sith's abilities and powers but when I do the EXACT same thing in the EXACT same context, I'm making shit up? Nice one Sama, you're on the ball today.
How can I diminish their abilities? What abilities are you even talking about? We have only seen Sadow drop a brick on Ludo's head, and stalemate him. And please, the Ancient Sith were wiped out in combat as well. Dor-Gal-Ram by simple Massassi. At Kirrek, etc.
So let me explain this again so you understand.
Go ahead.
Sadow and his crew were wiped out because of his arrogance, does that make him any less powerful? Sidious was wiped out because of his arrogance(twice), but do we diminish his abilities? Heavens no!
Except you've yet to actually tell me how he was "wiped out by his arrogance"? If thinking your loyal apprentice for the past twenty years is arrogant, that's pretty absurd. There wasn't any real reason to suspect Vader would do that.
oh but Sama, if Sidious was so powerful, he would have seen it coming!
In case you don't notice it, I'm doing exactly what you did to my statements, back to you.
When did I say that? When did I even say Sidious was powerful?
I actually haven't noticed you were doing the same thing, because when I type it - it actually means something. You are saying the Ancient Sith are Masters of the Universe, I'm saying that's bullshit, and Kyle will hand Sadow his ass.
Yes, making excuses for certain characters and diminishing others. Except I'm doing it to prove a point while you're diminishing the ancient sith and making excuses for Sidious. A work of art.
How is it an excuse...? That's exactly what happened, you dolt.
oh, so he was a lightsaber prodigy, that's nice.. Now you're going to quantify that how? Ulic were lightsaber prodigies too, so is Kyle=Kun or Ulic?
Actually, given what we know about Kyle's history with a lightsaber, he probably is on par with Ulic. WTH do you mean "quantify"? Can you quantify Ulic being a prodigy? Nomi? No, you can't. Why don't you actually read my post about what Kyle has done, and maybe then you will understand. Until then, learn to read.
And because we know very little about the ancient sith dueling abilities, they're automatically weaker?
Hm, let me see here: because we don't know a lot about their dueling abilities, how in Buddha's name can we put them above Kyle? He's demonstrated far more skills even without any training, he's demonstrated skills with training, it's logical to assume he has more direct combat experience. So, how can we put Sadow above Kyle in terms of dueling when we know jack about his skills? Logic, the bane of the fanboy.
I suppose Tulak Hord was also a nobody just because he was mentioned as the "best", yet we know very little about him.
He probably was somebody, but he's a virtual unknown so we can't say that he'd beat anybody, or put him above anybody save for a Jedi youngling. There's nothing to dictate that he could beat someone, a little different with Sadow, who we actually have seen in work, and saw other Ancient Sith at work, too. We cannot use Tulak in a match, we can and do use Sadow, so we can decide the victor. Here, the victor is Kyle and Mara.
Gee Sama, I didn't know that what Tavion was using it for and what Jaden did to Kyle were the exact attacks! And I highly doubt non canon endings can be used in a debate. Now Kyle must be superior to all the planets Tavion drained if you believe Tavion and Jacen used the same exactly blasts. Then again, as you said it, DS endings mean nothing.
I guess The Exile is incapable of killing the Jedi Masters in KOTOR 2 simply because the Lightside ending is canon?
And still, I noticed your skirting the actual point. Will you actually make an argument for Sadow, instead of arguing against one line over and over?
Originally posted by Advent
No, the "KMC mentality", as you call it, is when someone acts like a sock of a banned member, refer to them as said banned member.
Just because you get angry at ANY and ALL rebuttals does not mean I'm acting like a "sock". Thanks for your opinion though I'll take it into consideration.
With concrete evidence? No. More or less, you only make assumptions on their power. The only thing concrete is:1.) Ragnos is the most powerful.
2.) Sadow and Kressh are the two most powerful under Ragnos.
3.) They were Sith magicians (however, we don't even know what they have).
4.) Some misc. things.For this match, you haven't laid much down that can be applied. I, however, have; which you still are avoiding.
Notice how this doesn't say "DN Kyle vs. Naga Sadow in a saber duel". It obviously means an all out duel, in which case there's not much I need to say except Sadow has his amulet and heavy sword. "But you have no proof that he can use this on a force user lol". Please... Unless Kyle is Yoda or Luke, he doesn't have much chance against a superior force user. "But we haven't seen him do anything LOL". Yes, he was 2nd only to Ragnos because he was good looking.
Defense mechanism? What am I getting angry about? It's just Star Wars, amigo. You're not making any good rebuttals, so I fail to see why I'd be mad.
The pattern on this forum is, if anyone gets angry with me, "i'm tdtd". So far the only person that hasn't taken the ridiculously immature and unsubstantiated route is Escape.
Your post was pretty much aimless bullshit, mine actually laid down things about Kyle. You were just too stuck on [b]one line to see that, which is what I predicted your post to be "etc, etc, etc".
How can I diminish their abilities? What abilities are you even talking about? We have only seen Sadow drop a brick on Ludo's head, and stalemate him. And please, the Ancient Sith were wiped out in combat as well. Dor-Gal-Ram by simple Massassi. At Kirrek, etc.
You seem to have a retarded assumptions that I think:
1. The Ancient Sith pwn all.
2. ALL the ancient sith pwn all.
When in fact I never "thought" that and I never "said that". In fact I stated that the likes of DN Luke would win over all of the ancient sith, and Yoda perhaps would also, so that would contradict your theory of my theory on #1.
In response to #2, I have always said that the most powerful sith were Simus, Ragnos, Sadow, Kressh, Hord, and Pall, in terms of "sith" or "ancient sith", because we know nothing about anybody else. They could have been better than the average jedi or they could have been purely incompetent. But thanks for putting words into my mouth, since you clearly are Cleo the psychic.
Except you've yet to actually tell me how he was "wiped out by his arrogance"? If thinking your loyal apprentice for the past twenty years is arrogant, that's pretty absurd. There wasn't any real reason to suspect Vader would do that.
How was Sadow defeated by his arrogance? Hmm.. Well I would say taking an outmanned, unready sith army, ALL of them rather, against a bigger, more dominant Republic. If that's not arrogance, then it's suicide, which stems from arrogance and incompetence.
I actually haven't noticed you were doing the same thing, because when I type it - it actually means something. You are saying the Ancient Sith are Masters of the Universe, I'm saying that's bullshit, and Kyle will hand Sadow his ass.
Never said the Ancient Sith are the masters of the universe, you're saying that I did, which means absolutely nothing because you can't show me where I've "said" it. And I'm saying Sadow is superior to Kyle in an all out battle, unless of course Kyle is uber leet and can throw an avalanche at Sadow and/or block his amulet.
How is it an excuse...? That's exactly what happened, you dolt.
Actually, given what we know about Kyle's history with a lightsaber, he probably is on par with Ulic. WTH do you mean "quantify"? Can you quantify Ulic being a prodigy? Nomi? No, you can't. Why don't you actually read my post about what Kyle has done, and maybe then you will understand. Until then, learn to read.
Hm, let me see here: because we don't know a lot about their dueling abilities, how in Buddha's name can we put them above Kyle? He's demonstrated far more skills even without any training, he's demonstrated skills with training, it's logical to assume he has more direct combat experience. So, how can we put Sadow above Kyle in terms of dueling when we know jack about his skills? Logic, the bane of the fanboy.
Ah yes the fanboy personal attack. "OMg you don't agree with me youre a fanboy!". That's adorable Sama. I never said Sadow was about Kyle, but how is Kyle automatically about Sadow just because we know very little about his dueling abilities? Oh yes I forgot, if it's not directly stated, he must suck! Beautiful logic of the angry female. And notice how this thread again, isn't "Sabers only".
He probably was somebody, but he's a virtual unknown so we can't say that he'd beat anybody, or put him above anybody save for a Jedi youngling. There's nothing to dictate that he could beat someone, a little different with Sadow, who we actually have seen in work, and saw other Ancient Sith at work, too. We cannot use Tulak in a match, we can and do use Sadow, so we can decide the victor. Here, the victor is Kyle and Mara.
Kyle and Mara, in an ALL out fight? As in everything? Please..
I guess The Exile is incapable of killing the Jedi Masters in KOTOR 2 simply because the Lightside ending is canon?
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Just because you get angry at ANY and ALL rebuttals does not mean I'm acting like a "sock". Thanks for your opinion though I'll take it into consideration.
Show me where I've exerted anger. And, I suggest you should take it into consideration; although there's nothing to consider.
Notice how this doesn't say "DN Kyle vs. Naga Sadow in a saber duel".
I did notice that, and I've also noticed you've yet to actually prove how Sadow will defeat either one of these two, even with the Force.
It obviously means an all out duel, in which case there's not much I need to say except Sadow has his amulet and heavy sword.
That's your argument? Okay then, here's mine:
Originally posted by Advent
Oh wow, I didn't know I said that! Oh wait...I didn't z0mg!I'm saying that while Sadow probably has the Force advantage, we haven't seen him use any Sith magic in a fight, and I'm not saying that he doesn't know it because he obviously does, but we don't know the Sith spells that he actually has. We have not seen him demonstrate any power of even with his amulets, and the only real display of power we saw him doing without his ship (which he doesn't have here obviously) was throwing a brick at Ludo's head.
I'm sure he can do what Aleema can do, but I doubt that's enough to actually defeat Kyle and Mara. Plus, Kyle could always use Mara as a sacrificial lamb for one of Sadow's force attacks, and then engage him in combat anyways.
Lmfao. A versus fight is basically entirely speculation. None of these fights' victors are cold, hard fact. Anyways, Kyle has done far more impressive things than Sadow. "Apex of Sith power"? Is that why they were wiped off of the face of the galaxy?
Please, you have no proof other than "l0l s4d0\_l_/ []Dwn5 4ll! sauphcxuxncsd89 ANC1ent 51th ph4llu5!!///!ONEOIDH!".
Apparently this is DN Kyle Katarn, so what makes me think he would win? Har. I should be asking you how Sadow can stop him in direct combat. We know Kyle has at least nine years of battle experience compared to Sadow's...uh, defeat in the same year of going into war? He was in the GCW, and the YZ War. Experience does matter (case in point: Obi-Wan vs. Anakin), though it's not the end all, be all; it still accounts for something.
And really, Kyle is simply a lightsaber prodigy and master (like Ulic and Kun were). He defeated Desann, where Luke didn't (well, there was a reason for that though), and numerous other Dark Jedi. I mean, seriously, he defeated seven Dark Jedi in combat, including Jerec (who was a fully trained Jedi as well), without much training at all actually. And keep in mind that Jerec was trained by Sidious himself, and Vader. Kyle was the Battlemaster as well of the era. He was able to defeat Boba when working as a mercenary, and numerous other Imperial troopers. And also challenged Mara herself without any training still. I'd say he has far more combat experience than Sadow.
We've seen Sadow battle Ludo Kressh, that's about it. We know Kyle has defeated fully trained opponents while having little training, and now he's a lightsaber master, a Battlemaster at that with a lot of experience. I'd say he can defeat Sadow.
Not to mention, he's also got Mara Jade to help out. While I don't think she's much of a match for Sadow, she's a nice icing on the cake.
I'd give it to Kyle and Mara from what we know about them, and from what little we know about Sadow's actual power. Of course, now I'll just have to wait for your "etc, etc, etc" reply.
Seriously, Sexy, get real, is this how you earned your Ph.D in Fanboyology?
"But you have no proof that he can use this on a force user lol". Please... Unless Kyle is Yoda or Luke, he doesn't have much chance against a superior force user.
When did I say that he couldn't use it on a Force user? Glad to know you're already jumping the gun, and making shit up. So you're telling me that you have to be either Luke or Yoda to defend against his amulet? That's funny, where was that stated to be a prerequisite exactly? What magnitude can Sadow even produce the blasts?
"But we haven't seen him do anything LOL". Yes, he was 2nd only to Ragnos because he was good looking.
Probably. As well, we haven't seen him use any Sith magic, so we can't assume he uses unknown Sith spell x and y at Mara and Kyle, because we don't even know what x and y are.
The pattern on this forum is, if anyone gets angry with me, "i'm tdtd". So far the only person that hasn't taken the ridiculously immature and unsubstantiated route is Escape.
Show me where I've exerted anger.
"But omg tdtd, I mean DS, Kyle beat 7 dark Jedi at once LOL".
Loving the Straw man arguments.
Yes Sama, because you can quantify the power of those 7 dark jedi in comparison to Naga Sadow, and because that's going to help Kyle "I was defeated by my student in an arbitrary DS ending" Katarn win an ALL OUT battle against the 2nd most powerful Ancient Sith.. Right..
One of those Dark Jedi was Jerec, who was trained by Sidious and Vader, they all were fully trained and Kyle and no training. He also took down Desann as well, where Luke hadn't. WTH do you mean "quantify"? The man plowed through seven elite Dark Jedi with little training. Can you quantify Sadow's power at all? Since you seem to absolutely love throwing the term out.
You seem to have a retarded assumptions that I think:
1. The Ancient Sith pwn all.
2. ALL the ancient sith pwn all.
Given that you think Sadow > Kun, and given you seem to think Sadow will curbstomp everyone in their path - yes. Didn't you just say "amulet and heavy sword, all that's needed to be said".
When in fact I never "thought" that and I never "said that". In fact I stated that the likes of DN Luke would win over all of the ancient sith, and Yoda perhaps would also, so that would contradict your theory of my theory on #1.
Contradictory? Hm, I forgot you had a huge argument with Lightsnake that Exar Kun would beat Yoda, and think Sadow > Kun. And really, you're argument consists of this:
"amulet and heavy sword all that's needed to be said"
"He was second under Ragnos in THE apex of Sith power"
"Amulet"
"Amulet"
"etc, etc, etc"
That's really all the argument you've made so far, and I'm being serious. That implies you think he'd pwn Kyle and Mara with ease (as you say "Kyle beat Sadow in all out fight? Right"😉. Kyle is a formidable opponent, and please you know I was exaggerating.
In response to #2, I have always said that the most powerful sith were Simus, Ragnos, Sadow, Kressh, Hord, and Pall, in terms of "sith" or "ancient sith", because we know nothing about anybody else. They could have been better than the average jedi or they could have been purely incompetent. But thanks for putting words into my mouth, since you clearly are Cleo the psychic.
Thanks for making shit up again, when did I say that you think all the Ancient Sith own everyone? When I say "Ancient Sith", I'm only referring to the ones you listed, and Dor-Gal-Ram. So, I suppose when you say "the ancient sith created most, if not all, techniques used" - you're only referring to the ones listed? But when I say "Ancient Sith", it instantely means all of them? Get real, it's commonly accepted to say "Ancient Sith" and mean the aforementioned.
How was Sadow defeated by his arrogance? Hmm.. Well I would say taking an outmanned, unready sith army, ALL of them rather, against a bigger, more dominant Republic. If that's not arrogance, then it's suicide, which stems from arrogance and incompetence.
Okay, Sadow's incompetent then.
Never said the Ancient Sith are the masters of the universe, you're saying that I did, which means absolutely nothing because you can't show me where I've "said" it.
You imply that from your words. Do you understand that? "Amulet and heavy sword, that's all I need to say". That implies you think they are the king shit of the galaxy.
And I'm saying Sadow is superior to Kyle in an all out battle, unless of course Kyle is uber leet and can throw an avalanche at Sadow and/or block his amulet.
And I'm saying you:
You. Haven't. Proved. A. Damn. Thing.
So, cough up your argument.
Temper temper, psycho.
Temper? Because I called you a dolt, I'm mad? Wow, you are a dolt. And psycho? Yes, because I'm a crazed lunatic. And still, didn't respond to my answer. That was what happpened.
"omgz I'm angry and i'm going to insult him to the best of my abilities to get my point across".
When did I say that? Oh? More bullshit? I insult you with like ten words at most, and you say I'm insulting you to get my point across. I should be the one saying "please". I insult after I lay down my points. Something wrong with that?
Oh yes, Kyle is on par with Ulic.. Let me guess, Kyle is on par with Kun too? Or maybe Yoda? And I don't have to quantify Ulic being a prodigy in comparison to some others, because we have the one simple fact that he stalemated Kun, and did the same with Sylvar without the force.
Wow, that makes a helluva' lotta' sense. Congratulations, tdtd, you've proven jack shit as usual! I could say that I don't have to quantify Kyle being a prodigy in comparison to others, because we have the simple fact he defeated seven fully trained Dark Jedi, one trained by Sidious and Vader, being able to cut people off from the Force, and Jerec got a boost from the Valley of the Jedi while Kyle still defeated him with no real Jedi training at all. Or the fact he took down Desann. Glad, you still skirt the point, and have no clue what you're talking about.
Ah yes the fanboy personal attack. "OMg you don't agree with me youre a fanboy!". That's adorable Sama.
Why thank you. I said "logic, the bane of the fanboy". Logic is your bane. I never said because you don't agree with me, you're a fanboy. I'm saying that since you say things like "amulet and heavy sword, all that's needed to be said" that you show common properties to a fanboy.
I never said Sadow was about Kyle, but how is Kyle automatically about Sadow just because we know very little about his dueling abilities?
We've seen Kyle do more impressive things, and demonstrate his abilities without training, now he's fully trained, and still is a prodigy and now master. He's above Sadow for what he has done, you cannot say Sadow is above him, because he hasn't demonstrated jack, and you cannot "deduct" that Sadow is better, and because of that: Kyle is above Sadow. Since there is nothing you can do (logical deduction, quote, etc.) to prove that Sadow > Kyle, it stands.
Oh yes I forgot, if it's not directly stated, he must suck! Beautiful logic of the angry female. And notice how this thread again, isn't "Sabers only".
When did I ever say it was "sabers only"? When did I say "he must suck"? I didn't? I would say quit making shit up, but it's the expected par when I debate with you. I could, of course, just say the same thing to you "notice how this thread isn't 'Force only'".
Kyle and Mara, in an ALL out fight? As in everything? Please..
Sweet argument. Like, that's so solid. "Everything"? Yes, as in everything. Hell, you don't even know what magnitude Sadow can produce the blasts.
For Buddha's sake, just make a viable argument already.
Actually no, because what he did in the DS endings to all the Jedi, he did in the LS ending to Nihilus, which means he obviously has that ability, which means your point is moot.
That made no sense. In the DS ending, he kills them - I'm talking about him killing the Jedi Masters, not him draining their stuff.
Originally posted by Advent
[B]Show me where I've exerted anger. And, I suggest you should take it into consideration; although there's nothing to consider.
Seriously, Sexy, get real, is this how you earned your Ph.D in Fanboyology?
uh ok, how old are you again?
When did I say that he couldn't use it on a Force user? Glad to know you're already jumping the gun, and making shit up. So you're telling me that you have to be either Luke or Yoda to defend against his amulet? That's funny, where was that stated to be a prerequisite exactly? What magnitude can Sadow even produce the blasts?
Its amazing how all of a sudden I'm a "fanboy who's making shit up". Let me ask this simple. Is there ANY proof whatsoever that Kyle can block his amulet blasts? I didn't think so. You're right, I can't determine what magnitude he can produce his blasts. However you can't argue that his blasts would be weak enough to do nothing to Kyle, nor could Kyle block them. Unless you're going to say that the creator of the amulet has no idea how to use the amulet, channel his rage into his own amulet, especially since he didn't exactly have to call upon the dark side for the amulet to work(natural selection part of Nai's explanation of the ancient sith).
[Probably. As well, we haven't seen him use any Sith magic, so we can't assume he uses unknown Sith spell x and y at Mara and Kyle, because we don't even know what x and y are.
I never said Sadow is going to use a random sith spell. But also take into account that in DLOTS it was stated that "Sadow knew techniques beyond the Jedi". Take that for what it's worth.
Loving the Straw man arguments.
One of those Dark Jedi was Jerec, who was trained by Sidious and Vader, they all were fully trained and Kyle and no training. He also took down Desann as well, where Luke hadn't. WTH do you mean "quantify"? The man plowed through seven elite Dark Jedi with little training. Can you quantify Sadow's power at all? Since you seem to absolutely love throwing the term out.
Ah I see, so these elite dark Jedi were powerful in comparsion to whom? So Kyle>Luke? I can use that term when you are fully incapatable of doing what I ask, and that is quantify the power of somebody in comparison to somebody else. Can I quantify Sadow's power? No, but you don't see me listing feat wars like "omgz Sadow blew up a sun", which is completely irrelevant. Sadow also created illusions that kill people, what is your point? Kyle defeated Jerec, Desann, and 7 dark Jedi who's powers are unknown when compared to somebody else, and he's all of a sudden >all the ancient sith except Ragnos? Lets also forget the scans in which Sadow and Kressh were fighting, where it was shown they were using incredible speed. Lets also forget Kressh breaking his sword in little pieces, so obviously the sith have no combat abilities and no strength right?
[Given that you think Sadow > Kun, and given you seem to think Sadow will curbstomp everyone in their path - yes. Didn't you just say "amulet and heavy sword, all that's needed to be said".
Yet another lovely assumption. Let me the phrase you love to use so much. "Quit making shit up". And yes I think Sadow would be able to use his amulet against somebody with no defense, and again you can't show me a shred of proof of Kyle having any defense for it.
Contradictory? Hm, I forgot you had a huge argument with Lightsnake that Exar Kun would beat Yoda, and think Sadow > Kun. And really, you're argument consists of this:"amulet and heavy sword all that's needed to be said"
"He was second under Ragnos in THE apex of Sith power"
"Amulet"
"Amulet"
"etc, etc, etc"
You're right Sama, being #2 in the greatest era of sith knowledge means nothing.. No really. Nor does having the ability and skill to channel and augment your force abilities to insane proportions.. Right? Lol. I would say it's a little better than "Omgz Kyle defeated 7 Dark Jedi, and Desann, he would totally pwn Sadow in saber and force abilities omgz".
That's really all the argument you've made so far, and I'm being serious. That implies you think he'd pwn Kyle and Mara with ease (as you say "Kyle beat Sadow in all out fight? Right"😉. Kyle is a formidable opponent, and please you know I was exaggerating.
No, I simply stated that your logic of "well we haven't seen Sadow fight and Kyle did all of these cool things so he'll own Sadow", isn't necessarily accurate. I never said anything about ease, so stop making shit up. What I said however that Sadow would beat Kyle in an all out battle, involving saber combat, the force, etc.
Thanks for making shit up again, when did I say that you think all the Ancient Sith own everyone? When I say "Ancient Sith", I'm only referring to the ones you listed, and Dor-Gal-Ram. So, I suppose when you say "the ancient sith created most, if not all, techniques used" - you're only referring to the ones listed? But when I say "Ancient Sith", it instantely means all of them? Get real, it's commonly accepted to say "Ancient Sith" and mean the aforementioned.
I believe it was the "You think the Ancient Sith are the masters of the Universe" post. And if the ancient sith means only the 4 powerful ones, why are you listing useless characters such as Dor Gal Ram, hell why not include Shar Dakhan while you're at it.
Okay, Sadow's incompetent then.
Obviously.
You imply that from your words. Do you understand that? "Amulet and heavy sword, that's all I need to say". That implies you think they are the king shit of the galaxy.
Temper? Because I called you a dolt, I'm mad? Wow, you are a dolt. And psycho? Yes, because I'm a crazed lunatic. And still, didn't respond to my answer. That was what happpened.
[When did I say that? Oh? More bullshit? I insult you with like ten words at most, and you say I'm insulting you to get my point across. I should be the one saying "please". I insult after I lay down my points. Something wrong with that?
No, nothing wrong with that. I do that all the time on this forum too, to get my point across. Pointing out the shortcomings of others is thrilling isn't it? Yet at the very end you have still yet to prove how Kyle would win in an ALL OUT battle.
Originally posted by Advent
[B]Wow, that makes a helluva' lotta' sense. Congratulations, tdtd, you've proven jack shit as usual! I could say that I don't have to quantify Kyle being a prodigy in comparison to others, because we have the simple fact he defeated seven fully trained Dark Jedi, one trained by Sidious and Vader, being able to cut people off from the Force, and Jerec got a boost from the Valley of the Jedi while Kyle still defeated him with no real Jedi training at all. Or the fact he took down Desann. Glad, you still skirt the point, and have no clue what you're talking about.
Uh ok "lightsnake"? Yet in fact you do have to quantify the 7 fully trained dark Jedi. Could they all take out Sidious, Vader, Kun, Yoda? Oh that's right, him defeating 7 dark Jedi says he is most likely quite good with a saber. Jacen Korr defeated a shitload of Dark Jedi or was it reborn, Tavion, Rosh, etc, so he>kyle or he>Sadow now? Interesting.. Oh wait, I think I got that point across. Unless of course 7 dark Jedi>a shitload of reborns, Tavion, etc?
Ah yes, the typical "Youre wrong Im right you have no idea what you're talking about" defense mechanism. So wait, Kyle>Luke now since he defeated Desann? Glad you know what you're talking about Sama.
Why thank you. I said "logic, the bane of the fanboy". Logic is your bane. I never said because you don't agree with me, you're a fanboy. I'm saying that since you say things like "amulet and heavy sword, all that's needed to be said" that you show common properties to a fanboy.
When in fact me saying he can blast Kyle away with the amulet, and that Kyle is unlikely to have a defense against it, is quite logical, not fanboyish, so just because you think it is, doesn't say anything.
We've seen Kyle do more impressive things, and demonstrate his abilities without training, now he's fully trained, and still is a prodigy and now master. He's above Sadow for what he has done, you cannot say Sadow is above him, because he hasn't demonstrated jack, and you cannot "deduct" that Sadow is better, and because of that: Kyle is above Sadow. Since there is nothing you can do (logical deduction, quote, etc.) to prove that Sadow > Kyle, it stands.
Well golly gosh Sama, let me guess. Because Kyle did X, Y, Z without training, he's going to be automatically doiny X x 100, Y x 100, Z x 100, with training? His feats are indeed above Sadow, but the only thing this will help him in is possible saber combat. Unless of course you're going to sit there and tell me I don't know what i'm talking about while spouting out crap such as "Kyle is superior to Sadow in the force". Notice how I didn't say you said that, but I'm going to assume you're going to say that, so I'm saving you the trouble of your "making shit up" ramble.
When did I ever say it was "sabers only"? When did I say "he must suck"? I didn't? I would say quit making shit up, but it's the expected par when I debate with you. I could, of course, just say the same thing to you "notice how this thread isn't 'Force only'".
Oh yes Sama, I make shit up when I argue. But of course you don't right? Why not quit living in your little fantasy world and accept the fact that we both assume things that are different than reality. It doesn't get funnier than reading hypocritical statements. And guess what Sama, there's only SO much you can do with a saber, the force is limitless. Unless of course, Kyle>Sadow in force abilities.
Sweet argument. Like, that's so solid. "Everything"? Yes, as in everything. Hell, you don't even know what magnitude Sadow can produce the blasts.For Buddha's sake, just make a viable argument already.
I could say the same thing to you. "Omg Kyle defeated 7 dark jedi of unknown power and Desann, he would so own a powerful ancient sith in saber AND force combat".
That made no sense. In the DS ending, he kills them - I'm talking about him killing the Jedi Masters, not him draining their stuff.
Then why are you bringing up the dark side ending? He obviously doesn't kill the jedi masters so you're pretty much wasting text to prove nothing?
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
The ridiculous insults, claims, etc.
Again, I ask for specifics where I am angry. When I'm angry it goes like this: "Shut the f*ck up", usually vulgar language. So far, only I've said' quit making shit up", which may be vulgar, but doesn't display my anger.
uh ok, how old are you again?
Twenty. How exactly was that a childish insult? I doubt an eleven year old even knows what a Ph.D is, or even stands for.
Its amazing how all of a sudden I'm a "fanboy who's making shit up". Let me ask this simple. Is there ANY proof whatsoever that Kyle can block his amulet blasts?
Is there any proof Sadow can even make a blast on par with Kun's?
I didn't think so.
I didn't think so.
You're right, I can't determine what magnitude he can produce his blasts. However you can't argue that his blasts would be weak enough to do nothing to Kyle, nor could Kyle block them.
And here you are arguing about the blasts. It's possible the blasts are as strong as what Kun used on Aleema, which only knocked her down.
Unless you're going to say that the creator of the amulet has no idea how to use the amulet, channel his rage into his own amulet, especially since he didn't exactly have to call upon the dark side for the amulet to work(natural selection part of Nai's explanation of the ancient sith).
What? We don't even know what magnitude the blast is, it could be the same Kun used on Aleema as I've said.
I never said Sadow is going to use a random sith spell. But also take into account that in DLOTS it was stated that "Sadow knew techniques beyond the Jedi". Take that for what it's worth.
Worth nothing, since we don't even know what they are. Sure, he's powerful, no denying that, but as you seem so fond to say to me "this isn't a 'Force only' match", and Kyle also tossed Jaden through an entire room with the Force, if I recall correctly.
I'm glad you're loving the strawman arguments.. Really, I am.
So you're glad your committing a fallacy?
Ah I see, so these elite dark Jedi were powerful in comparsion to whom?So Kyle>Luke? I can use that term when you are fully incapatable of doing what I ask, and that is quantify the power of somebody in comparison to somebody else.
Incapable? You're asking me to do something virtually impossible. How the f*ck can I quantify their power?
Can I quantify Sadow's power? No, but you don't see me listing feat wars like "omgz Sadow blew up a sun", which is completely irrelevant.
Uh, feat wars? It's called combat experience, and reason to believe Kyle > Sadow. Sadow causing solar manipulations on the Dena rii Nova is irrelevant, because he used his ship. And, on top of all that, Kyle did this with little to no real Jedi training.
Sadow also created illusions that kill people, what is your point?
WTF is your point?
Kyle defeated Jerec, Desann, and 7 dark Jedi who's powers are unknown when compared to somebody else, and he's all of a sudden >all the ancient sith except Ragnos?
Well, let's see: considering Jerec was trained by Sidious himself and Vader, was a fully trained Jedi, considered to be one of the galaxy's biggest threats, and had a boost from the Valley of the Jedi and Kyle managed to defeat him with no real Jedi training, I'd say yes. He's not "all of the sudden greater", I don't see where anyone has said Sadow > Kyle in any past debates. And you've yet to actually prove how Sadow would beat Kyle in a swordfight, given what we know - Kyle would win.
Lets also forget the scans in which Sadow and Kressh were fighting, where it was shown they were using incredible speed.
Lol. Because there was motion blurs, they have greater speed than Kyle? Yes, Jedi also use a thing called "Force speed".
But wait, how could I forget? General Grievous killed Obi-Wa...oh no, he didn't despite Grievous slinging his lightsabers around like buzzsaws. WTF does them swinging a damn sword have to do with anything? Given that Jedi can use the Force to speed up their movements.
Lets also forget Kressh breaking his sword in little pieces, so obviously the sith have no combat abilities and no strength right?
I forget. What does breaking his sword have to do with fighting? Oh, here it is - just came back to me - nothing. Who said they didn't have strength or combat abilities? Making shit up still?
They haven't shown us anything to compete with the likes of Katarn, and you can't deduct shit from their fights.
Yet another lovely assumption. Let me the phrase you love to use so much. "Quit making shit up".
You see, the phrase only works when it's true. How am I making shit up? You did say "amulet and sword, all that's needed to be said". That is fanboyism, so quit making shit up about me making shit up.
Lying will not save you.
And yes I think Sadow would be able to use his amulet against somebody with no defense, and again you can't show me a shred of proof of Kyle having any defense for it.
Against what? If you tell me the magnitude, I'll give you an answer. First of all, it's possible it could be the same size blast Kun used on Aleema, which only knocked her down. And second of all, I'll be you: "Lightsaber is all that needs to be said", how is Sadow going to beat Kyle? Jesus christ, you haven't given me a shred of proof for anything other than "bl4sts = d3ad ka4tarn". You forget Mara Jade is also here.
You're right Sama, being #2 in the greatest era of sith knowledge means nothing.. No really. Nor does having the ability and skill to channel and augment your force abilities to insane proportions.. Right? Lol.
And? What the hell does that have to do with anything? Can you show me anything for Sadow defeating Kyle and Mara?
I would say it's a little better than "Omgz Kyle defeated 7 Dark Jedi, and Desann, he would totally pwn Sadow in saber and force abilities omgz".
Given what else we know, and this:
Originally posted by Advent
Apparently this is DN Kyle Katarn, so what makes me think he would win? Har. I should be asking you how Sadow can stop him in direct combat. We know Kyle has at least nine years of battle experience compared to Sadow's...uh, defeat in the same year of going into war? He was in the GCW, and the YZ War. Experience does matter (case in point: Obi-Wan vs. Anakin), though it's not the end all, be all; it still accounts for something.And really, Kyle is simply a lightsaber prodigy and master (like Ulic and Kun were). He defeated Desann, where Luke didn't (well, there was a reason for that though), and numerous other Dark Jedi. I mean, seriously, he defeated seven Dark Jedi in combat, including Jerec (who was a fully trained Jedi as well), without much training at all actually. And keep in mind that Jerec was trained by Sidious himself, and Vader. Kyle was the Battlemaster as well of the era. He was able to defeat Boba when working as a mercenary, and numerous other Imperial troopers. And also challenged Mara herself without any training still. I'd say he has far more combat experience than Sadow.
We've seen Sadow battle Ludo Kressh, that's about it. We know Kyle has defeated fully trained opponents while having little training, and now he's a lightsaber master, a Battlemaster at that with a lot of experience. I'd say he can defeat Sadow.
Not to mention, he's also got Mara Jade to help out. While I don't think she's much of a match for Sadow, she's a nice icing on the cake.
I'd say, it's not. You have one thing you parade around "amulet blasts", what the hell? To what power can he even use it? And also some advice: quit making a straw man argument.
No, I simply stated that your logic of "well we haven't seen Sadow fight and Kyle did all of these cool things so he'll own Sadow" isn't necessarily accurate.
Actually, it is. My logic is simple: facts. You're logic is simple, too: assumptions. Do you know which one wins? Facts.
I never said anything about ease, so stop making shit up. What I said however that Sadow would beat Kyle in an all out battle, involving saber combat, the force, etc.
Really now?
It obviously means an all out duel, in which case there's not much I need to say except Sadow has his amulet and heavy sword.
Kyle and Mara, in an ALL out fight? As in everything? Please..
Those things imply that in an "all out battle" Sadow will definitely win. And seriously, Kyle > Sadow in saber combat. There's also Mara Jade, too for a sacrificial lamb. Unless, you're going to actually make a viable argument as to why Sadow is superior to Katarn in a swordfight, stop parading around saying "quantify, compare, O RLY, l0l, pwnage, heavy sword". Wow, heavy sword is all you need to say? All I have to say is "Kyle and a lightsaber pwns Sadow and a broadsword". Plus, the simple fact the amulet blasts could only be comparable to the one Kun used on Aleema.
I believe it was the "You think the Ancient Sith are the masters of the Universe" post. And if the ancient sith means only the 4 powerful ones, why are you listing useless characters such as Dor Gal Ram, hell why not include Shar Dakhan while you're at it.
Because Dor-Gal-Ram helped Kressh? And he was actually named?
But I thought I didn't say the Ancient sith pwn all? Isn't that what "king shit of the galaxy" means? Which is it Sama.
Oh, I'm sorry. You imply it, despite you claiming they wouldn't own all, you still imply it heavily. Sadow > Kun? Lawls.
So far Sama, you have shown Kyle's lightsaber feats.. Congratulations. And this is going to help him win an ALL out battle huh?
So far, Sexy, you haven't shown anything. Congratulations. You do though, like to say one word "amulet", so how is this going to help him in an ALL out battle, huh, where it's not just the Force?
What exactly do you want me to prove?
How Sadow could ever dream to stop Katarn in a swordfight, and the magnitude of the blasts that Sadow can produce.
Sadow uses incredible power and speed with his saber, or he created an artifact that would possibly blow a hole through Kyle if he used it?
Or not even singe him (Aleema blast). I want you to prove the above, and specifically how Sadow could ever even dream of beating Kyle in a swordfight.
No, nothing wrong with that. I do that all the time on this forum too, to get my point across. Pointing out the shortcomings of others is thrilling isn't it? Yet at the very end you have still yet to prove how Kyle would win in an ALL OUT battle.
Hm, let's see. Say Sadow uses an amulet blast, Mara takes the sacrifice, Kyle engages Sadow in direct combat, and kills him. Kyle is - from what we know and can't deduct - Sadow's superior in a swordfight. Then again, there's still the matter of magnitude. If it's like the Aleema blast, or what Cay did to Nomi and Cay - how the hell will that stop Katarn? And yes, it is a possibility that's the most he can do.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Uh ok "lightsnake"? Yet in fact you do have to quantify the 7 fully trained dark Jedi. Could they all take out Sidious, Vader, Kun, Yoda? Oh that's right, him defeating 7 dark Jedi says he is most likely quite good with a saber.
With little to no training while they were all fully trained Jedi. One trained by Sidious and Vader himself. Quantify the power of Vodo, quantify the power of Sadow compared to Ragnos, quantify the power of x, y, and z. Jesus christ, they are formidable opponents and Jerec is one of the galaxy's biggest threats. And yet Kyle slew them all with no training.
Jacen Korr defeated a shitload of Dark Jedi or was it reborn, Tavion, Rosh, etc, so he>kyle or he>Sadow now? Interesting.. Oh wait, I think I got that point across. Unless of course 7 dark Jedi>a shitload of reborns, Tavion, etc?
Glad, you're comparisons make no sense. Jaden Korr didn't fight the seven Dark Jedi, he fought the pawns. Jerec, Yun, Sariss, Boc, Pic and Gorc, and Maw are the seven Dark Jedi, they aren't just "some group of average DJs". They all were above the Dark Jedi that Jaden defeated, on top of that. If you want to use the gameplay (since you say "defeated a shitload"😉 Kyle defeated half an army of Dark Jedi himself without any real training. Your comparisons aren't correct, and plus Jaden was pwned through an entire room by Kyle anyways.
Ah yes, the typical "Youre wrong Im right you have no idea what you're talking about" defense mechanism.
Defense mechanism? What the hell? You are the psycho here, Sexy, what are you talking about? You really didn't even know what you were talking about, and I showed you why, and yet you still say "defense mechanism". Good tactic I must say, using what you really are doing, and saying it's me.
So wait, Kyle>Luke now since he defeated Desann? Glad you know what you're talking about Sama.
Did I say that? z0mg!? No, I didn't! I never said Kyle > Luke. Glad to know you're still making shit up, Sexy. Hell, even in my original post I said there was a reason as to why Luke didn't defeat Desann. Also glad to know you can read, comprehend, and know what the hell you're talking about. Plus, just because he defeated Desann and Luke didn't, doesn't mean Kyle > Luke anyways. So, quit:
a.) Committing straw man argument.
b.) Making shit up.
c.) Talking out of your ass.
When in fact me saying he can blast Kyle away with the amulet, and that Kyle is unlikely to have a defense against it, is quite logical, not fanboyish, so just because you think it is, doesn't say anything.
How is it logical? So, when I say Kyle engages him in saber combat - it's not logical? You clearly are mistaken. What magnitude is the blast again? Oh? You don't know? Well, "golly gosh", isn't that a surprise.
Well golly gosh Sama, let me guess. Because Kyle did X, Y, Z without training, he's going to be automatically doiny X x 100, Y x 100, Z x 100, with training? His feats are indeed above Sadow, but the only thing this will help him in is possible saber combat. Unless of course you're going to sit there and tell me I don't know what i'm talking about while spouting out crap such as "Kyle is superior to Sadow in the force".
Wow, good job on being a psychic and still trying to weaken my argument. What he did without training was incredible, to assume he hasn't grown expotentially more powerful is ludacris. Plus the fact I never said "100x" more powerful, you dolt.
Quit. Making. Shit. Up. And. Trying. To. Weaken. My Argument. By. Doing. Such
Notice how I didn't say you said that, but I'm going to assume you're going to say that, so I'm saving you the trouble of your "making shit up" ramble.
But you still said it, and you still are pulling stuff from your ass. Why would you assume I'll say it? In my first post, I even said Sadow > Kyle in the Force probably.
Oh yes Sama, I make shit up when I argue.
I know.
But of course you don't right? Why not quit living in your little fantasy world and accept the fact that we both assume things that are different than reality. It doesn't get funnier than reading hypocritical statements.
Show me what I "made up" and tried to use as fact?
And guess what Sama, there's only SO much you can do with a saber, the force is limitless. Unless of course, Kyle>Sadow in force abilities.
What? How is the Force "limitless"? We don't know if Sadow can use Force grip, lightning, and so on. We know he can drop a brick on someone's head. And WTF is the point of this really? If you're referring to the blasts,we don't know the magnitude. They could be comparable to the blast Kun used on Aleema. Furthermore, nothings definite, so stop treating it like such (i.e. "leave a hole in his chest"😉
I could say the same thing to you. "Omg Kyle defeated 7 dark jedi of unknown power and Desann, he would so own a powerful ancient sith in saber AND force combat".
Except I didn't say that, so stop trying to reformat my argument, and get a clue. Also, I've made an argument for Kyle being superior in saber combat, you haven't made a viable argument as to the:
a.) Magnitude of the blasts.
b.) How Sadow will even win.
c.) How Sadow could be close to Kyle in a swordfight.
That is the difference between my argument and yours.
Then why are you bringing up the dark side ending? He obviously doesn't kill the jedi masters so you're pretty much wasting text to prove nothing?
Do you not understand? Are you saying that the Exile can't kill the Jedi Masters for sure, just because it was in the Darkside ending? That's what I'm trying to say, we've seen Katarn do it already, even though the ending isn't canon, it's ridiculous to assume just because the ending changed that he wouldn't be able to do it if the situation were to arise.
And really, here's the thing: you're acting like whoever has the superior power in the Force will win. That's not the case, and more often than not - they always engage in a sword battle anyways.