I can back up my side. I'd wonder if I can ame the same for you, given how you're loath to cite your sources, ever prove where you get info from and use totally non-canon info that's never seen an LFL editor.
I could just as easily say that other things have people questioning Ragnos's power. Hell, I could easily say Adas, Graush or Ruin were more powerful than him and substantiate it just as much
Originally posted by Lightsnake
I can back up my side. I'd wonder if I can ame the same for you, given how you're loath to cite your sources, ever prove where you get info from and use totally non-canon info that's never seen an LFL editor.I could just as easily say that other things have people questioning Ragnos's power. Hell, I could easily say Adas, Graush or Ruin were more powerful than him and substantiate it just as much
No you can't, because you have shown time and time again that you cannot argue, which is why YOU hide behind quotes, and is the only thing you provide to arguments. You can make assumptions all you want about LFL editors not seeing blah blah blah if it makes you sleep better at night.
People do question Ragnos' power but everything points to him being leet, despite what you think. And no, you can't say that Adas Graush or Ruin were more powerful than him. You know absolutely jack shit about Adas and Graush, except for the fact that Adas died at the hands of somebody insignificant, while Ragnos died of old age. And you know absolutely nothing of Ruin except he created the new sith, wow. Ragnos ruled at the apex of sith knowledge.. That's all we need to know to put him up there with the best, if not the best.
hiding behind quotes? I'm sorry, but no. Those quotes are official, approved canon, meaning they're the law of Star Wars and not debatable by you or anyone else.
You use blatantly non canon stuff from wikipedia that is not canon in the least, you never substantiate anything you say beyond your opinion. Asking for proof is hardly a crime: It's the basis of a debate. Just because you can't argue with something official doesn't mean you have to pull this sour grapes routine.
And once again: Prove Ragnos died of old age...Adas died saving the entire Sith people. Adas was so powerful, he became a God in his peoples' mythology and he ruled for centuries. Graush ruled so violently, he was assassinated...he even had his heart removed and ruled for fifty years.
And we know Ruin was an incredibly gifted master who managed to nearly crush the Republic and who had an indomitable will. We know a bit about Ruin now, thanks. Rivan, too.
And we know Palpatine had all of Ragnos's knowledge and more. We've never seen Ragnos in action, so cut it out.
Once more, I ask you for LFL stated, spoken or written proof. Provide it. Just because you can't argue with what the canon decides is no reason to be so immature
Originally posted by Lightsnake
hiding behind quotes? I'm sorry, but no. Those quotes are official, approved canon, meaning they're the law of Star Wars and not debatable by you or anyone else.You use blatantly non canon stuff from wikipedia that is not canon in the least, you never substantiate anything you say beyond your opinion. Asking for proof is hardly a crime: It's the basis of a debate. Just because you can't argue with something official doesn't mean you have to pull this sour grapes routine.
And once again: Prove Ragnos died of old age...Adas died saving the entire Sith people. Adas was so powerful, he became a God in his peoples' mythology and he ruled for centuries. Graush ruled so violently, he was assassinated...he even had his heart removed and ruled for fifty years.
And we know Ruin was an incredibly gifted master who managed to nearly crush the Republic and who had an indomitable will. We know a bit about Ruin now, thanks. Rivan, too.
And we know Palpatine had all of Ragnos's knowledge and more. We've never seen Ragnos in action, so cut it out.
Once more, I ask you for LFL stated, spoken or written proof. Provide it. Just because you can't argue with what the canon decides is no reason to be so immature
Actually I have provided more logical arguments than you can count, while you resort to emailing the writers, and then offering some definitive quotes, some ambiguous quotes.. And again asking me to prove Ragnos died of old age is like asking me to prove Kun created his own saber. It's your stupidity and ignorance at its finest.
Adas became a God, and so did the original dark Jedi, who were treated as gods, thanks for not making a point.
We know Rivan was a nobody, and nothing remotely states that Ruin crushed the republic or even got close.
We know that Sidious' power was because of the ancients and only because of the ancients, we know that Sidious had to consult the ancients because he couldn't heal his own body, and he thought the ancients could, so obviously they knew stuff that he still didn't. And no, youre asking me to prove things that are already facts here, and when you lose an argument, you cry and whine, make a fool out of yourself and call me a troll, and then use projection as your defense mechanism.
No, you think you have. I have the actual canon to show you.
And Evil Never Dies? Rivan was an ancient, powerful DLOTS...Ruin was a complete monster.
And Palpatine mastered all of the powers of the Sith AND the Jedi, plus what he created. He went to the Ancients because there was no time to spare, so? Different than Exar Kun begging Nadd for help? And what'd 'they know that he didn't?' Where to find Anakin Solo? That's a technique of the Dark Side? Perhaps you forget Sidious had a matter of weeks left, with the poisoned clone meaning his mind was damaged.
The only one who cries and whines is you. You insult anyone who disagrees with you. You even argue against things canonically written, it's annoying.
I'm asking you to prove something and it should be easy if it's as common knowledge as you claim. A source, a quote, a page, a character...anything.
Give me something or admit you're wrong, it's the same to me
Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, you think you have. I have the actual canon to show you.And Evil Never Dies? Rivan was an ancient, powerful DLOTS...Ruin was a complete monster.
And Palpatine mastered all of the powers of the Sith AND the Jedi, plus what he created. He went to the Ancients because there was no time to spare, so? Different than Exar Kun begging Nadd for help? And what'd 'they know that he didn't?' Where to find Anakin Solo? That's a technique of the Dark Side? Perhaps you forget Sidious had a matter of weeks left, with the poisoned clone meaning his mind was damaged.
The only one who cries and whines is you. You insult anyone who disagrees with you. You even argue against things canonically written, it's annoying.
I'm asking you to prove something and it should be easy if it's as common knowledge as you claim. A source, a quote, a page, a character...anything.
Give me something or admit you're wrong, it's the same to me
Show me what it says about Rivan, and Ruin. I've read about Rivan through google, nothing impressive.
And no, he went to the ancients because he didnt know how to cure himself, and the ancients did, so quit trying to come up with an illogical solution. And Kun begging for help? Nice irrelevant nonsense once again lightsnake, why not through out an example from ANY movie ever made about someone asking for help, that's how stupid it sounds. And sorry lightsnake, his clones only take him far physically. His spirit maintains his dark side powers and knowledge, so youre wrong. And the ancients apparently knew how to heal him, and where to find Solo, 2 things Palpatine knew nothing of, so your quotes don't get you anywhere. I've proven you wrong, Sama has, and Nai has. You'll never admit it though so I don't expect much from you.
No they don't, they use Sadow's ship and the comic states this.
And lesse, it says this about Ruin in Evil Never dies, just check on WOTC's site for Ruin...he was over a thousand, a DLOTS, created the Dark Staff and the absorbing dome.
And you miss the point: Kun begged for him, big deal. He had no other recourse, same with Palpatine. The comic even showed Palp's mind . The Ancients just told him where to find Solo, there was nothing about healing...apparently they didn't know either
Originally posted by Lightsnake
No they don't, they use Sadow's ship and the comic states this.And lesse, it says this about Ruin in Evil Never dies, just check on WOTC's site for Ruin...he was over a thousand, a DLOTS, created the Dark Staff and the absorbing dome.
And you miss the point: Kun begged for him, big deal. He had no other recourse, same with Palpatine. The comic even showed Palp's mind . The Ancients just told him where to find Solo, there was nothing about healing...apparently they didn't know either
No, YOURE missing the point. Kun begged because he didn't know how to heal himself and Sidious did. SO you just proved my point once again. And no, he asked for help from the ancients to heal his body, and they refused, I'm looking at the comic now. If you want to argue facts that's fine, you do it enough anyways.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
The Ancients didn't know either, did they? They said there wasn't a way. He had to find Anakin, considering only Anakin or Luke could've survived with his spirit.Kun begged because he didn't want to die...and the fundamental difference was Kun begging. Palpatine didn't beg.
No, the ancients said it cannot be healed. And you look more foolish pointing out the irrelevancy in anything anyone else types out because you can't comprehend simple logic. You say "palpatine knows everything". While I say "If he knows everything, why does he go to the ancients asking for help with finding someone, and healing his body". Again, obviously they know stuff that he doesn't, so your points are all moot.
Because apparently he thought they could give him advice, given his time was running out.
The Ancients know nothing Palpatine doesn't. Palpatine's body could not be saved and they said as much. meaning they couldn't do it either. The canon states he knew everything and that's something you'll have to deal with.
Your point is moot because the canon disproves you, and then revealing to him where Anakin Solo is means nothing. Body wasn't salvageable, that's how Lumiya planned it
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Because apparently he thought they could give him advice, given his time was running out.The Ancients know nothing Palpatine doesn't. Palpatine's body could not be saved and they said as much. meaning they couldn't do it either. The canon states he knew everything and that's something you'll have to deal with.
Your point is moot because the canon disproves you, and then revealing to him where Anakin Solo is means nothing. Body wasn't salvageable, that's how Lumiya planned it
No lightsnake, you're wrong. The canon states blah blah, so then DE is incorrect? Or is your ambiguous quote just that, ambiguous. So my point in fact isn't moot, yours is, with your ridiculous quotes that you are incapable of interpreting correctly.
No, because DE contradicts nothing. The Sith themselves say that the flesh he wears cannot be saved. Palpatine was there for one of two reasons:
Heal the clone, thinking or hoping they could.
Use the oracle stone to show him Anakin.
Having a magic stone that calls images is apparently a virtue, eh?
And sorry, the quote isn't ambiguous. IT says all known techniques, all previously unknown or forgotten and invents new ones at his leisure. And later on it says he mastered all the powers of the Sith and Jedi and completely mastered the aspects of the Force.
Sorry, it's canon, you're not.