Originally posted by Lightsnake
Jedi Order mention as Prime of the Jedi, later said to be the strongest? Check. Get over it: Lucas's word is law, Exanda and you mean nothing next to him. You could argue with JRR Tolkien all you like, but the one ring was impossible to destroy willingly.And moveover, GL said Lucas had Anakin's exact potential-potential which he's obviously reached by now.
Get bent kid, my word is law. Deal with it 🙄
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And your matury, credibility and intelligence seem to have taken a drop.Tsk tsk
You may think your right kid, but on matters where EU material is concerned, Lucas' comments on the "Prime of the Jedi" are infact void.
He has said he does not deal with the EU, which should really be enough for anyone who generally cares about this kind of garbage, but to reinforce it, this statement is both too vague to really carry any kind of weight behind, even if Lucas says it himself. The point of Lucas' word being law was argued alot, even before you arrived here.
You may think Lucas word is law but Lucas' word is, as I have said, void in this discussion. You really have no reason for questioning it, its genuine common sense. And maturity is spelt...well like this maturity.
Except Lucas's comments to Star Wars are higher than anything else. If he says something, the EU takes it and they have. Oh, and Lucas has dealt with the EU on sveeral occasions. He said he doesn't keep up with it, there's a difference. Last I checked, he threw in several nods to the Clone Wars EU. Statement is 'too vague?' I suppose if you don't know what 'prime' means, it would be.
And a mock at a spelling error, how original and inventive! Oh, the lack of two letters undermine my entire argument, woe is me!
Lucas has said it. The rest of SW picks up on it. Three words: Deal with it.
Except Lucas's comments to Star Wars are higher than anything else. If he says something, the EU takes it and they have. Oh, and Lucas has dealt with the EU on sveeral occasions. He said he doesn't keep up with it, there's a difference. Last I checked, he threw in several nods to the Clone Wars EU. Statement is 'too vague?' I suppose if you don't know what 'prime' means, it would be.
I didn't debate whether Lucas' word should be higher than everything else; yes when he's talking sense his opinions usually do come pretty high on the ladder, but in the discussion which took place in this thread, they were completely irrevlevant.
As we all know he only deals in certain parts of the EU, the material that touches his films usually, and everything else he only only has to nod his head at. If Lucas was so adamant that the Jedi of the prequel Era were the strongest ever, as most seem to believe "Prime of the Jedi" is a reference to, he would not allow any publications and material which contradict that statement. Funnily enough, there is a bulk of material that shows Jedi from other eras doing all kinds of rubbish that woud seem to suggest that they were much more stronger, more versatile and more influential than the Jedi before the Clone Wars era.
And a mock at a spelling error, how original and inventive! Oh, the lack of two letters undermine my entire argument, woe is me!
Did you spell several wrong to make some kind of point there?
Lucas has said it. The rest of SW picks up on it. Three words: Deal with it.
Kid, you deal with it, I'm right, I know it doesn't happen alot, but this was something that happened time and time again and believe me, its not a debate, you have nothing to fall back on. Lucas has said it was the "Prime of the Jedi" which if you don't understand how unclear this is, allow me to clarify.
Prime could be said to be the period of greatest prosperity or productivity. Now just to help you a little, lets put this into other contexts such as the Roman Empire.
The Roman Empire,the golden age if you will, at its prime had a continent spanning trade empire, where poetry, culture and entertainment flourished, practices that had more of an effect on the rest of the world than any other.
That does not mean that it was the strongest age of the Roman Empire, the conquesting had ceased, the legions weren't as formidable as they were, they suffered defeats and were eventually called back to Rome.
Now to change this into the context of science fiction, Jedi may have been at there prime during the years before the Clone Wars began, but this does not mean they were the greatest warriors in the history of the Order. The golden age of the Jedi did not mean that all Jedi were amazing warriors of legendary status (they all died against droids for one for heavens sake!) but that the ideas, the concepts, teachings of the Jedi were superior to all that had come before. It would have been the prime of the Jedi teachings.
Considering the nature and religion of the Jedi Order, it could well be that it was the golden age of pacifism within the Order, the galaxy and Republic at relative peace. No doubt, there were heroes and legendary status rivalling Jedi of the past, but compared to feats of jedi long dead, it was nothing.
Uncle George, deals with the movies of Star Wars, yet also gives a heads up to all material that is published with a Star Wars name on it.
He thinks of Star Wars in the context of the films (the last three of which were dreadful) and everything else takes a back seat to his morbid creations(referring to the PT there). Now its difficult to see what he really thinks of Jedi, but as he used all basic binary oppositions and characters in his creation of the The Star Wars screenplay, we have a couple of different views of what they may mean to him. Old Ben, was the archetypal wizard character, with many likenesses, I hope you notice, to Gandalf, Aslan, and Brian Blessed in a skirt in Flash Gordon. Now for a good 20 years we all believed this is what Jedi was, a true Jedi; a cryptic OAP with a knack for finding trouble. Now Old Ben deals in peace, justice in the galaxy, and more than a little hint of anti-social-darwinism. Now what do you think Old Ben would say if you asked him about the golden age of the Jedi? Would he say the golden age of the Jedi ocurred when seemingly every generation of Jedi seemed to harbour a twisted individual of Exar Kun like power? Or would he say the golden age was a time of peace and harmony in the galaxy, where the Jedi teachings rarely led the students astray?
Think about, and no little immature answers.
Originally posted by exanda kane
[B]Except Lucas's comments to Star Wars are higher than anything else. If he says something, the EU takes it and they have. Oh, and Lucas has dealt with the EU on sveeral occasions. He said he doesn't keep up with it, there's a difference. Last I checked, he threw in several nods to the Clone Wars EU. Statement is 'too vague?' I suppose if you don't know what 'prime' means, it would be.I didn't debate whether Lucas' word should be higher than everything else; yes when he's talking sense his opinions usually do come pretty high on the ladder, but in the discussion which took place in this thread, they were completely irrevlevant.
As we all know he only deals in certain parts of the EU, the material that touches his films usually, and everything else he only only has to nod his head at. If Lucas was so adamant that the Jedi of the prequel Era were the strongest ever, as most seem to believe "Prime of the Jedi" is a reference to, he would not allow any publications and material which contradict that statement. Funnily enough, there is a bulk of material that shows Jedi from other eras doing all kinds of rubbish that woud seem to suggest that they were much more stronger, more versatile and more influential than the Jedi before the Clone Wars era.And a mock at a spelling error, how original and inventive! Oh, the lack of two letters undermine my entire argument, woe is me!
Did you spell several wrong to make some kind of point there?
Lucas has said it. The rest of SW picks up on it. Three words: Deal with it.
Kid, you deal with it, I'm right, I know it doesn't happen alot, but this was something that happened time and time again and believe me, its not a debate, you have nothing to fall back on. Lucas has said it was the "Prime of the Jedi" which if you don't understand how unclear this is, allow me to clarify.
Prime could be said to be the period of greatest prosperity or productivity. Now just to help you a little, lets put this into other contexts such as the Roman Empire.
The Roman Empire,the golden age if you will, at its prime had a continent spanning trade empire, where poetry, culture and entertainment flourished, practices that had more of an effect on the rest of the world than any other.
That does not mean that it was the strongest age of the Roman Empire, the conquesting had ceased, the legions weren't as formidable as they were, they suffered defeats and were eventually called back to Rome.
Now to change this into the context of science fiction, Jedi may have been at there prime during the years before the Clone Wars began, but this does not mean they were the greatest warriors in the history of the Order. The golden age of the Jedi did not mean that all Jedi were amazing warriors of legendary status (they all died against droids for one for heavens sake!) but that the ideas, the concepts, teachings of the Jedi were superior to all that had come before. It would have been the prime of the Jedi teachings.
Considering the nature and religion of the Jedi Order, it could well be that it was the golden age of pacifism within the Order, the galaxy and Republic at relative peace. No doubt, there were heroes and legendary status rivalling Jedi of the past, but compared to feats of jedi long dead, it was nothing.
Uncle George, deals with the movies of Star Wars, yet also gives a heads up to all material that is published with a Star Wars name on it.
He thinks of Star Wars in the context of the films (the last three of which were dreadful) and everything else takes a back seat to his morbid creations(referring to the PT there). Now its difficult to see what he really thinks of Jedi, but as he used all basic binary oppositions and characters in his creation of the The Star Wars screenplay, we have a couple of different views of what they may mean to him. Old Ben, was the archetypal wizard character, with many likenesses, I hope you notice, to Gandalf, Aslan, and Brian Blessed in a skirt in Flash Gordon. Now for a good 20 years we all believed this is what Jedi was, a true Jedi; a cryptic OAP with a knack for finding trouble. Now Old Ben deals in peace, justice in the galaxy, and more than a little hint of anti-social-darwinism. Now what do you think Old Ben would say if you asked him about the golden age of the Jedi? Would he say the golden age of the Jedi ocurred when seemingly every generation of Jedi seemed to harbour a twisted individual of Exar Kun like power? Or would he say the golden age was a time of peace and harmony in the galaxy, where the Jedi teachings rarely led the students astray?Think about, and no little immature answers. [/B]
Excellent post if I may say so myself 😛