Originally posted by Sith'ari
It was stated in a guide, I just can't remember. Does it matter, Jim posted something just as effective.
No, it wasn't. Provide the exact quote and source, or as I suspect, it doesn't exist. You just say you "can't remember", but now it's in a guide? I'm pretty sure you'rrrrrrrrre lying.
And yes, it matters [to me] - I simply love to call people out on lies. If you're going to state something, provide the source or don't say it at all. I'm just teaching you a simple lesson.
Originally posted by Advent
I know you said that Vodo's stick is the only reason Kun won. I'll call bullshit if you don't mind, Vodo went there with the intent to stop Exar Kun. And we know he's capable of disarming his opponents (his duel against Exar, he put him on his ass twice), and can find his opponents balance points due to his "skill of long experience", so the fact is - if he could have stopped Exar Kun, he would have. Since he didn't, he cannot do it in either a duel or with the Force.This just goes to show that Vodo cannot outduel Exar Kun, while I'd support the fact Kun can outduel Vodo. Given when he was only a padawan, he gave Vodo trouble once he got two blades. Now, he's a master lightsaber duelist, and is better than Ulic - who I'd easily argue could best Vodo in sheer lightsaber to stick combat.
Anyways, if you'll notice even before cleaves Vodo in half, Vodo admits defeat. So, obviously he could not beat Exar either way. Exar is a superior duelist, and a superior Force user. Simple as that.
Oh, and a "furious battle" means exactly jack shit, AOTC novel describes Anakin and Dooku's battle similarly - so I guess Dooku didn't "waste" Anakin? Please. Exar was toying with Vodo the entire time - given he doesn't reveal his double bladed lightsaber until he's positive Vodo won't turn, and the fact the man is taunting Vodo the entire fight.
And Nebaris, where was the fight described as "epic"? More bullshit?
Agreed. But they didn't have a force battle, and we can't be sure.
Two blades doesn't make you uber, but, you can be more efficient with them. Anyway, maybe Ulic could beat Vodo. Maybe it's not that hard to best him. What makes him so great?
They don't have a force fight at all...
A "Furious battle" goes to say that is wasn't a walk in the park for Kun. Taunting Vodo? Not really. Oh yeah, and he's still trying to turn him after he reveals his second blade. http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=261&page=25
Basically, yes, Exar is better, but, not by a huge gap and, that doesn't even say a whole lot for him as a duelist. Vodo seems good, but, truth is, he isn't.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Agreed. But they didn't have a force battle, and we can't be sure.Two blades doesn't make you uber, but, you can be more efficient with them. Anyway, maybe Ulic could beat Vodo. Maybe it's not that hard to best him. What makes him so great?
They don't have a force fight at all...
A "Furious battle" goes to say that is wasn't a walk in the park for Kun. Taunting Vodo? Not really. Oh yeah, and he's still trying to turn him after he reveals his second blade. http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=261&page=25
Basically, yes, Exar is better, but, not by a huge gap and, that doesn't even say a whole lot for him as a duelist. Vodo seems good, but, truth is, he isn't.
Wrong. Exar Kun is better by a huge gap. Notice how he was better as even a Padawan. And yes he was taunting Vodo, and when Vodo said no he lit the second blade and tooled him. And 2 blades doesn't equate to efficiency, that's just ridiculous. Would you like to show me who was greater than Vodo among the Jedi(excluding Kun and Ulic)
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Greater than Vodo? Just:
Nomi, Thon, Ood, Arca, Vrook, Kavar, Zhar, Aleco, Duron, Guun Han Saresh, Shaela Nur, Vandar...Probably Kreia, too.And no, Vodo refused at the START of the fight
Arguing with facts again lightsnake? Since when are ANY of those greater than Vodo, or are you just listing anybody you can think of and calling it fact? Yea sounds about right. And I said during HIS time. KOTOR was 40 years later. And no, Vodo DIDNT refuse because he came there to stop Exar Kun, stop arguing with facts.
Exactly, they're all assumptions. So, why, would you assume that Vodo is so good?
Someone was saying that Kun took out his second blade and tooled Vodo when he refused to join. That's wrong. Vodo refused at the beginning of the fight. After a "Furious battle," Kun managed to break through Vodo's stick and cleave him in two.
Yeah, and as soon as Maul and Qui Gon were alone, Maul tooled him. Right? http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=142&page=20 Just like how Sidious pwned Yoda, right? http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=154&page=12 Just like how the Anakin and Kenobi fight was the same amount of panels, right?
Oh my...Exar "perfected" his own fighting style in less than six months without ever using it in any form of lightsaber action (training, direct confrontation) ? How good must Mace be then having 40 years of time to perfect his style, multiple opponents to spare with (Dooku, Yoda) and possibly thousands of hours practice fights against Depa aside from his normal combat action which was enough to give him a legendary status ? Hmm ?
What is this, are you stating that experience = skill? That assumption flops when Luke defeated DE Palpatine in a lightsaber duel (a much older and much more trained duelist), and when Exar Kun demonstrated his ability to defeat a 600 year old Jedi master (with no effort) who was the master duelist of his time.
Years of experience does not necessarily mean stronger in Star Wars.
Also I like it how you assume that Exar Kun pulled the double bladed style out of his ass when he duelled against Vodo. Did it occur to you that he may of developed the technique all along (he did use two sabers against Vodo). Yes, it was a far longer process than you seem to think it was.
Mace was able to go toe to toe with Yoda in terms of lightsaber duels who is just the "most powerful Jedi ever"
Much like how Sidious was described as the "most powerful Sith Lord by ROTS" even despite KJA coming on these boards and stating that it was flat out untrue? Really how do you assume that Yoda is stronger than a Jedi that can maintain the required concentration to empower his staff to withstand a lightsaber (known to cut through virtually anything). Let's not forget folks that Kun managed to cut through Vodo's staff and end the Jedi master's life with no effort.
Either way, I was not arguing whether Kun would defeat Windu in a straight out lightsaber fight. Mace would be at a disadvantage because Depa would be out before the actual battle.
Whoopie. Let's just ignore how Depa was the second youngest Jedi Master ever (after Mace) as well as the second youngest Council Member. I guess she has no force powers at all. Especially since "bladework" most likely includes everything needed for lightsaber combat (like augmenting her combat abilities) and the skills she displayed in Shatterpoint.
I suppose if Depa "east Indian wannabee" Billaba having better bladework than Mace would easily be able to tool Sidious, Yoda, and Dooku in a straight out saber fight then? Do you have any proof that Depa's bladework was better than Mace other than senseless opinions? It is well known that Windu treated and felt for Bilaba like a daughter.
I suppose an opinion from Mace is enough to justify how Billaba could triumph over Ulic. 🙄 Despite the fact that Qel Droma defeated Mandalore in a duel despite EXTREMELY unfavorable circumstances. The same Qel Droma that was able to tie an angry Cathar Jedi (whilst being seperated from the force) and also stalemate the mighty Exar Kun (who defeated the most powerful duelist of his order with no apparent difficulty)
The mere fact that we have only lightsaber prodigies involved in this fight when the two PT people had much more actual training time
Training time is not a relevant factor in Star Wars. Some characters are simply more prodigous than others. In a straight out lightsaber duel, Ulic would defeat Depa. Please give some tangible proof that Depa is as great as you presume. You state that she "mastered" certain forms, but yyou seem to ignore the fact that Ulic and Kun were also described as being "master" swordsmen.
Still they are very clearly shown to use form V since they fight similar to Luke (both hands at their blade, wide and powerful swings) as it can be seen in their duel as well as in the Ulic vs Cay fight and Kun's duel against Vodo.
Right... Form V, and who told you this Barborad? Was it simply observation, or do you have a source for this information. For all you know it could have been a self made form much like Luke's. Just because it "looks" like form 5, does not mean that it is.