What's wrong with being Liberal?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Punish ? No...that's a Christian concept...I'm not Christian. ❌

But think about it...is it not evil when you have more than enough power to stop something bad from continuing and you do nothing about it ?

Dude you keep bringing up these religious pieces and I am FAR FAR from religious you don't need to. I'm not trying to add some christian undertone to my mssg.

Bad as in the people or Bad as in the system thats in place?

You tend to associate large amounts of money with evil or some such it would seem.

Originally posted by Soleran
Dude you keep bringing up these religious pieces and I am FAR FAR from religious you don't need to. I'm not trying to add some christian undertone to my mssg.

Bad as in the people or Bad as in the system thats in place?

You tend to associate large amounts of money with evil or some such it would seem.

Bad as in the people...having enormous amounts of money, but doing nothing about the surrounding poverty that exists.

It's like having tons of food, more than you need, but not giving any to the starving....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Bad as in the people...having enormous amounts of money, but doing nothing about the surrounding poverty that exists.

It's like having tons of food, more than you need, but not giving any to the starving....

So essentially you want to tell people what to do with their possesions?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
But think about it...is it not evil when you have more than enough power to stop something bad from continuing and you do nothing about it ?

Originally posted by Soleran
So essentially you want to tell people what to do with their possesions?

Tell me who I should have sex with, and I'll tell you what you should do with your money. 😉

Originally posted by FeceMan
Smells like Peter Singer.

Do you disagree with that sentiment ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Do you disagree with that sentiment ?

Originally posted by FeceMan
That opens up a whole new can of philosophical worms that I'm not even going to get into.

Aww...would i overload ur little brain ? 🙁

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Aww...would i overload ur little brain ? 🙁

Bad as in the people...having enormous amounts of money, but doing nothing about the surrounding poverty that exists.

It's like having tons of food, more than you need, but not giving any to the starving....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Tell me who I should have sex with, and I'll tell you what you should do with your money. 😉

You just said above your sex post that you would decide how to spend someone's money to help others though.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Try telling a minimum wage earner he's part of the middle class--he might not believe you. The plight of the minimum wage earner is not synonymous with the plight of the middle class, which is largely defined by a heavy tax burden.

true. and try telling someone who earns 6 figures that they are in fact not considered "rich" and are also part of the middle class. the term 'middle' is misleading, but whatever the case, and however all encompassing that class really is, thats reality.

and my point is that as fulltime working citizens, they should be entitled to the bare minimum of living. for example, most minimum wage full time jobs offer no medical benefits. how do you pull off raising a family without such benefits and making sub-poverty line income? how is that fair? or better yet, american

Originally posted by Soleran
I thought we just established what group "unskilled" labor fell into and that's lower middle class, thats not impovershed.

its endlessly debatable, but the high standard of lower class and low standard of middle class overlap.) so someone making like 16,000 a year can be considered either. however we are off on a tangent are we not?

work full time: earn a living

its simple. a system where citizens pull their weight and remain in poverty is disfunctional. how much more simple can this be?

🤨 I was reading the page and halfway through I'm told that minimum wage has something to do with sex lives. Why am I supposed to care who has sex with whom?

Originally posted by PVS
true. and try telling someone who earns 6 figures that they are in fact not considered "rich" and are also part of the middle class. the term 'middle' is misleading, but whatever the case, and however all encompassing that class really is, thats reality.

and my point is that as fulltime working citizens, they should be entitled to the bare minimum of living. for example, most minimum wage full time jobs offer no medical benefits. how do you pull off raising a family without such benefits and making sub-poverty line income? how is that fair? or better yet, american

I mostly dig capitalism, but looking at it there are three instances where slightly socialist ideals are necessary.

-All people have the right to make a minimum living (as PVS said) which can either be solved by giving unemployed people money, through an insurance or just backed by the government or which is more appealing to me yet probably highly unaffordable, to give every citizen the same amount of basic money, with which they can make their living and well continue to become filthy rich capitalists from there...or in case they already are filthy rich capitalists...have some more money.

- Medicine and Health Care should (maybe) be public. Since everyone deserves to be healthy...and also capitalism just doesn't seem to make Medicine much better.

-All Education should definitely be free. To make people may ridiculous amounts of money is unfair and benefits the rich, which education shouldn't be about.

Originally posted by Bardock42
-All people have the right to make a minimum living (as PVS said) which can either be solved by giving unemployed people money, through an insurance or just backed by the government or which is more appealing to me yet probably highly unaffordable, to give every citizen the same amount of basic money, with which they can make their living and well continue to become filthy rich capitalists from there...or in case they already are filthy rich capitalists...have some more money.

well, to be clear i never suggested free money. just a fair living even slightly above the poverty line, to anyone who puts in full time work. though this seems logically sound to me in every way, some find it apalling. the doom of capitalism it will be!!!!!!!! A DOLLAR MORE!?!?!?!?!?!??!!??!? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *runs around screaming and pulling hair out while defecating in pants*

Originally posted by PVS
well, to be clear i never suggested free money. just a fair living even slightly above the poverty line, to anyone who puts in full time

Well, to be clear, that's what I suggested.

Originally posted by PVS
well, to be clear i never suggested free money. just a fair living even slightly above the poverty line, to anyone who puts in full time work. though this seems logically sound to me in every way, some find it apalling. the doom of capitalism it will be!!!!!!!! A DOLLAR MORE!?!?!?!?!?!??!!??!? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've said it many times, the increase in minimum wage they suggested won't pull people out of poverty, thats not the solution, it's a stop gap to appease some folks.

Originally posted by Bardock42
which can either be solved by giving unemployed people money

although we have a system for this, its one where we pool our unemployment funds and if/when we need it, we recieve it back. its not just handed out.

Originally posted by PVS
although we have a system for this, its one where we pool our unemployment funds and if/when we need it, we recieve it back. its not just handed out.

I know, that would be like an insurance kinda thing. I don't know about the US, but it doesn't quite work in Germany.

Originally posted by Soleran
I've said it many times, the increase in minimum wage they suggested won't pull people out of poverty, thats not the solution, it's a stop gap to appease some folks.

and you are wrong. a suitable increase in minimum wage will pull full-time minimum wage household above or at least AT the poverty line. i never suggested that it was the fix for poverty in general. kthxbyez