you asked for a figure, i gave you one off the top of my head. now you want to run with it to distract from the point.
Am I to blame you made up a number without thinking of it's value? I had to ask you for a number to see if I felt it was viable, fair or what I felt was workable. Which is why I turned around and made this comment.
I do see some merit to raising the income to that level if gov't intervention is switched off, I see absolutely little to no value if that income is achieved and govt funding/taxing didn't change
Simple enough, huh.
this is a sad tactic and if it were not such an obvious reference i would post it in another thread regarding idiotic tactics....so i wont. no, i will NOT break down figures with you, and factor in bus fare and rent along with the kid's summer wardrobe for the next 50 pages, just so youu dont have to look like an elitist freak. sorry, not playing along.
Once again you like to get carried away quickly. I have to ask those questions because if I don't know what you think is fair then how am I to continue discussing anything with you. I mean housing could be communal living, clothing could be uniforms etc etc I don't need 50 pages but once again it would be nice to know that if you were saying social reform is good and is required then what are the norms for the society at that point.
way to ignore the point. watch this: THEY DONT HAVE TO "CHANGE IT"> THEY'RE WORK IS IMPERITAVE FOR THE SURVIVAL OF OUR ECONOMY.
Nope, what I have told you is that if you work for minimum wage then working the minimum number of hours isn't going to work for you. Social liberalism at its finest, everyone is equal and make everyone the same.
ok kids, in the future of discussing minimum wage, you may be called out on your own implication that unskilled workers do not deserve a living on the grounds that they are a burden to society, and should desire to be 'better', when in fact their work is a necessity for our society and our economy.
I wasn't talking about minimum wage you changed the discussion to livable wages I just rolled with that. I went ahead and assumed that most (not all) that work in unskilled jobs typically are replaced often especially with young folks looking for quick money so working unskilled labor until 60 aren't alot of people that I see doing that typically it's hard work and breaks your body down faster.
[quick]when it is pointed out that you are dead wrong, to win the thread, ask your opponent for a general figure of what they think would be fair. when the opponent throws out a quick number, turn that into the topic and ignore how you painted yourself in a corner. when confronted with your obvious tactic, just say your not doing it in the same post in which you do it. your opponent will then fall over laughing and hopefully become concussed and unable to retort.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know there was a win here, I didn't even look to "win" as you would put it. Maybe thats why you spend more time using angry phrases and insults then getting to the how do we make them work rather then just the why they need to be done phrases.
a break down of hypothetical spot figures to distract from the point, which you still managed to quote yet ignore. am i psychic? but feel free to go on quoting every line, filling it in with the same repetative point-dodging nonesense, and creating the illusion that you are striking down every point i've made...when you have yet to address a single one.
and dont abbreviate your quote for the 'win'. you 'simply' changed the topic to this:
Originally posted by Soleran
I do see some merit to raising the income to that level if gov't intervention is switched off, I see absolutely little to no value if that income is achieved and govt funding/taxing didn't change.Are you following me now, this isn't a bait and switch its having you explain/justify what you are telling me should be right.
housing (own or rent?), food(home made or packaged/order out?), clothing(pretty simple here), medical insurance(sure the poor already get insurance that work minimum wage but lets up wages and give them back to the individuals), transportation(pretty simple), basic essentials(wtf is this, I thought the things listed above were basic essentials!?)
again you continue dodging the point that you consider nonskilled laborers to be deserving of penalty, and that they should choose to change. i find your continued avoidance of this sad and pathetic. really, you look sad by doing this. address the point. confirm it or take it back. maybe i misinterpreted it. then clarify it. but what you're doing now by avoiding it is just schmucktastic
again you continue dodging the point that you consider nonskilled laborers to be deserving of penalty, and that they should choose to change. i find your continued avoidance of this sad and pathetic.
Your choice of words amuse me, no one put a gun to any unskilled workers head and made them choose that job. Your deserving point is just superfluous to the fact they choose that life and job, unless you believe unskilled workers are forced into their jobs, are they?
and yes, i get your point that unskilled laborers should have to work far more hours than decent human beings like you and i. after all, its what they chose and thus **** em, right? time with the family??? R&R????? HA!!!! cry us a river, right?
Once again carried away, certainly if they made some choices in life that requires them to work more, yup that's how it works. If they took some risk and profited from it and they didn't work at all then great it works both ways huh, most people just don't want to take the required risk though.
Originally posted by Soleran
Your choice of words amuse me, no one put a gun to any unskilled workers head and made them choose that job. Your deserving point is just superfluous to the fact they choose that life and job, unless you believe unskilled workers are forced into their jobs, are they?Once again carried away, certainly if they made some choices in life that requires them to work more, yup that's how it works. If they took some risk and profited from it and they didn't work at all then great it works both ways huh, most people just don't want to take the required risk though.
good, so you're a heartless elitist prick who feels that unskilled workers are beneath him and should be penalized for who they are by working every waking moment of their lives. lets move on, shall we?
Originally posted by PVS
good, so you're a heartless elitist prick who feels that unskilled workers are beneath him and should be penalized for who they are by working every waking moment of their lives. lets move on, shall we?
You seem pretty weird about that. You don't have to think that unskilled workers are beneath yourself to believe that minimum wages are shit.