Pre Ret Con Beyonder Vs. THe Presence

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That is all I was trying to say. He never even faced TOAA. So how can he be considered the to be More powerful than him?

Because the Beyonder CREATED an INFINITE UNIVERSE and TOAA did NOT.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He certainly hadn't created the MU. Even if he was more powerful than it. There was someone out there who made the MU. And since the MU ended up still being there, it would seem that TOAA had it all in control in the first place.

You must be confusing TOAA with the Molecule Man, the TRUE SAVIOUR of the MULTI-VERSE:

Molecule Man SAVED the Multi-verse

"A Portal was Opened from OUR UNIVERSE into the Beyond"

"Molecule Man Opened the Portal, SAVING ALL Existence on HIS SIDE"

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' like you,

🙁

Originally posted by Mr Master
Because the Beyonder CREATED an INFINITE UNIVERSE and TOAA did NOT.

You must be confusing TOAA with the Molecule Man, the TRUE SAVIOUR of the MULTI-VERSE:

Molecule Man SAVED the Multi-verse

"A Portal was Opened from OUR UNIVERSE into the Beyond"

"Molecule Man Opened the Portal, SAVING ALL Existence on HIS SIDE"

🙁

And just whom do you think made the molecule man? It seems that I was right. TOAA had it all worked out anyway. He is the one who made the "savoir" of the MU.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Because the Beyonder CREATED an INFINITE UNIVERSE and TOAA did NOT.

You must be confusing TOAA with the Molecule Man, the TRUE SAVIOUR of the MULTI-VERSE:

Molecule Man SAVED the Multi-verse

"A Portal was Opened from OUR UNIVERSE into the Beyond"

"Molecule Man Opened the Portal, SAVING ALL Existence on HIS SIDE"

🙁

Wait. The MU wasn't infinite? I don't remember the beyonder's universe being called infinite. Put up the scan where it says, the uinverse that beyonder creates is infinite. And ONe more thing. What happened to the beyonder's universe? Where is it? Did his stand the test of time like TOAA's?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
One at a time. When did any of the beyonder's creations actually create a universe themselves? which is what I said right? when? Let's get that one out of the way first. cuz your scans didn't show any of them creating a universe.

Uhh let's see, the Phoenix Force's purpose is to End and Begin a Universe by sparking the Big Bang.

AGAIN, Big Bangs CREATE UNIVERSES, how can you not know that.

Beyonder made Dazzler more powerful than the rest of the Multi-verse Combined.

5 Cosmic Containment Units CREATED a Duplicate 616 Universe

They have NO WHERE NEAR the power of the Multi-verse.

You do the math.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Uhh let's see, the Phoenix Force's purpose is to End and Begin a Universe by sparking the Big Bang.

AGAIN, Big Bangs CREATE UNIVERSES, how can you not know that.

Beyonder made Dazzler more powerful than the rest of the Multi-verse Combined.

5 Cosmic Containment Units CRAETED a Duplicate 616 Universe

They have NO WHERE NEAR the power of the Multi-verse.

You do the math.

I"m not doing the math. WHen I talk in could have should have would haves, you own me and say prove it. I want to see proof that any of the beyonder's creations made a universe. I don't ever remember seeing it. The presence has had creations that have made uinverses, remade the universe ect. So had TOAA. So what puts the beyonder on par with them if his creations haven't done any of the things that thiers has? What puts him on thier lvl when All of his universes are no longer and thier remain?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
2ndly, They beyonder says on panel that without him, this place doesn't even exist.

WRONG.

He said it was NOTHINGNESS, and NOTHINGNESS is a THING (OBLIVION Feeds on NOTHINGNESS)

Go READ COMICS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So I was wrong in what I said? That he can't sustain Multiple universes with his attention diverted? He said right on panel that without him it's not even a place. So where did you get that it does exist?

Silly newb..

OBLIVION is the embodiment of NOTHINGNESS.

HE EXISTS!!!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
There was nothing there. No universe was sustained. See there you go twisting words and meaning to suit your own argument. With those pretty pictures again.

My poor children...

No Universe was sustained, because HE WAS the UNIVERSE, and he LEFT.

AND NOTHING was LEFT, and NOTHING, is a state of EXISTENCE.

GO READ COMICS

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And just whom do you think made the molecule man? It seems that I was right. TOAA had it all worked out anyway. He is the one who made the "savoir" of the MU.

When you show me WHERE you read that, we'll move forward.

As of now, your a temple of fallacy.

Originally posted by Mr Master
WRONG.

He said it was NOTHINGNESS, and NOTHINGNESS is a THING (OBLIVION Feeds on NOTHINGNESS)

Go READ COMICS.

Silly newb..

OBLIVION is the embodiment of NOTHINGNESS.

HE EXISTS!!!

My poor children...

No Universe was sustained, because HE WAS the UNIVERSE, and he LEFT.

AND NOTHING was LEFT, and NOTHING, is a state of EXISTENCE.

GO READ COMICS

yeah, What ever you say. That doesn't fly with me. NOT AT ALL. Seems like your grasping.

Originally posted by Mr Master
When you show me WHERE you read that, we'll move forward.

As of now, your a temple of fallacy.

This doesn't fly with me at all either. You know damn well TOAA is the creator of the MU. You your damn self have said that the beyonder is more powerful than TOAA becuz his universe was bigger. by your own admisison, you said that the MU was created by TOAA. THE MU IS WHERE THE MOLECULE MAN WAS CREATED. thus making him TOAA's creation.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
you said that the MU was created by TOAA. THE MU IS WHERE THE MOLECULE MAN WAS CREATED. thus making him TOAA's creation.

What's your point?

If MM was created by TOAA, how does this help your case?

When

Beyonder transacts on Power Levels UNIMAGINABLE to the Molecule Man.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What's your point?

If MM was created by TOAA, how does this help your case?

When

Beyonder transacts on Power Levels UNIMAGINABLE to the Molecule Man.

MY case was that TOAA had it in hand. It was my original case. That TOAA already had the situation in hand, wasn't threatened at all by the beyonder, and that his creation, his MU still stood. It was still there. You then said that the molecule man was the savoir of the MU. to which I said, who created the molecule man. you then said that I have no proof that TOAA created the Molecule man. TO which I said, you are the one who said the beyonder is more powerful than TOAA becuz his universe was bigger. So I said, well you are the one who said TOAA had a smaller universe, from which the molecule man was created, thus proving that the molecule man was indeed part of the grand design of TOAA.

And the molecule man says" it seems" that they beyonder operates on power lvls unimagineable to him. it wasn't a for sure statement.

He erased her from that point in time. He didn't erase her from the beginning of all time, but rather that as of that moment on, she would no longer exist.... And his erasing of her influence, doesn't mean he erases who she was... Just cause the sizzler doesn't make malibu chicken anymore, doesn't mean they never did... i can still remember the taste...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
MY case was that TOAA had it in hand. It was my original case. That TOAA already had the situation in hand, wasn't threatened at all by the beyonder, and that his creation, his MU still stood. It was still there. You then said that the molecule man was the savoir of the MU. to which I said, who created the molecule man. you then said that I have no proof that TOAA created the Molecule man. TO which I said, you are the one who said the beyonder is more powerful than TOAA becuz his universe was bigger. So I said, well you are the one who said TOAA had a smaller universe, from which the molecule man was created, thus proving that the molecule man was indeed part of the grand design of TOAA.

I'm using TOAA's name here, AS IF, he CREATED the original Multi-verse.

TOAA DID NOT EXIST during the Pre-Retcon era.

AND

When the MULTI-ETERNITY'S Origin or Birth was depicted On Panel in 2001, there was NO mention of TOAA.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And the molecule man says" it seems" that they beyonder operates on power lvls unimagineable to him. it wasn't a for sure statement.

Tomato...Tomaato

Give me a break.

Originally posted by rotiart
Just cause the sizzler doesn't make malibu chicken anymore, doesn't mean they never did... i can still remember the taste...

😂

Originally posted by rotiart
He erased her from that point in time. He didn't erase her from the beginning of all time, but rather that as of that moment on, she would no longer exist.... And his erasing of her influence, doesn't mean he erases who she was... Just cause the sizzler doesn't make malibu chicken anymore, doesn't mean they never did... i can still remember the taste...

If He had erased the very concept of death, no one would have known what death was. He only erased death from that moment on. THere is a difference in the wording. And it would seem, that he didn't have the power to bring her back as easily. He had to kill someone. The PResence/TOAA does not have to kill anything to make death. He made her and if he wanted her to sit around forever, while nothing died, it is in his power.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm using TOAA's name here, AS IF, he CREATED the original Multi-verse.

TOAA DID NOT EXIST during the Pre-Retcon era.

AND

When the MULTI-ETERNITY'S Origin or Birth was depicted On Panel in 2001, there was NO mention of TOAA.

Tomato...Tomaato

Give me a break.

TOAA has always existed. Or whom do you think The LT was working for?

ANd Tomato Tomato my eye. you dont' give me any breaks. I'm not going to give you any.

Not sure where you guys have been headed with this, as I haven't been reading.
But reading that scan you showed, claims the Marvel Multiverse is boundless. Hence infinite.
?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The PResence/TOAA does not have to kill anything to make death. He made her and if he wanted her to sit around forever, while nothing died, it is in his power.

As soon as you show us, TOAA or the Presence creating Death, in any fashion, we'll make believe your real.

Until then, just more shit being pumped into the thread.

Originally posted by Juntai
Not sure where you guys have been headed with this, as I haven't been reading.
But reading that scan you showed, claims the Marvel Multiverse is boundless. Hence infinite.
?

Read back for the last two pages. Tell me if I made any good points. I can't really tell cuz no one tells me if I make a good point. Unless it's Thor moving the serpent 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
As soon as you show us, TOAA or the Presence creating Death, in any fashion, we'll make believe your real.

Until then, just more shit being pumped into the thread.

And as soon as you show us any of the beyonder's creations actually making a universe, then it's just more of your shiiiit being pumped into this thread.