Originally posted by Juntai
Not sure where you guys have been headed with this, as I haven't been reading.
But reading that scan you showed, claims the Marvel Multiverse is boundless. Hence infinite.
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Yea, if it wasn't for that newb, I would be able to get into something I discovered last night.
I have a question before I go there.
Was the original DC Multi-verse Infinite?
AM left less than Ten Universes I understand.
And after that the Presence created an Infinite Universe right?
Originally posted by Mr MasterHard to say, I'm not as versed in Pre-Crisis continuity as I am post Crisis. I've only got a handful of pre-crisis stories, while I own or have read most post crisis stories in DC.
Yea, if it wasn't for that newb, I would be able to get into something I discovered last night.I have a question before I go there.
Was the original DC Multi-verse Infinite?
AM left less than Ten Universes I understand.
And after that the Presence created an Infinite Universe right?
Fine, I'll proceed.
What I dicovered last night is amazing, it contradicts what I've been saying today but nvrhadaclue had me vexed, so I didn't want to stop.
Beyonder = the Presence in power because they both created INFINITE UNIVERSES.
If we're determining their ranks based on this (there's no other way)
TOAA is MORE Powerful NOW, than Beyonder or the Presence ever have been.
Bare with me intelligent debaters, Newbs, please ignore, this is way over yall's heads.
When Warlock first exited the Multi-verse, he entered a place called the Cosmic Vortex.
In it, an INFINITE number of MULTI-VERSES are spiralling upward, while below lies Oblivion, (the ultimate Abstract in terms of eternal), swallowing Multi-verses that collapse, are nullified, have a weakened Anchor (like Atleza) ect...
I used to think these were Universes, but someone exited me into meticulously investigating the issue.
When I realized that Thanos DID in fact, Absorb MORE than just a UNIVERSE, that he actually absorbed ALL he could.
He absorbs Eternity and Infinity and there is still Space and star stuff behind him?
This is not a designed precise attack, he saying it himself "it's Out of Control"
Like a raging drunk, who's not selective in a brawl, anything in the way goes, and with that kind of power, that means everything goes. (like it did)
Here it continues,
"For IF this BAND (LT, Eternity/Infinity) Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS* be equally Foolish?"
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?"
"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...Until....
See...He's absorbing MORE SPACE now, where is this SPACE coming from if he already absorbed ALL of Space and Time?
I'll answer that,
It has to be coming from the Multi-verse, there is no other way to look at it.?*(That's WHO these OTHERS are that MIGHT be equally foolish, the rest of Space, in other words, the MULTI-VERSE)
WHO else COULD question his authority, except anyone left in the MULTI-VERSE.?
CAN'T be the Universe, he just ABSORBED the Universe (Eternity/Infinity remember)
Now your saying to yourself, fine, that conclusively despicts Thanos absorbing the Multi-verse.
But Mr M showed scans of the Cosmic Vortex, where an INFINITE number of Multi-verses are,
how could Thanos absorb ALL he could, when he ONLY absorbed ONE Multi-verse?
Now we go back the Omniversal structure:
The OMNI-VERSE and the rest of the Multi-verses rest with in the Cosmic Vortex.
See those little Purple Balls, thats where Atleza is (the Cosmic Anchor of the "616" Multi-verse)...
and every little Purple Ball is the Domain of an Anchor of a Multi-verse ...
Each Domain is Outside the Multiverse...Untouched by Space or Time....
The much bigger Blue Balls represent EACH a Multi-verse, and the SUM of the Blue Balls is the Omni-verse.
Anything Outside the Blue Balls is Untouched by the Space & Time,
which encompasses Multi-Eternity/Infinity, since it is Outside the Multi-verse.
See how the Blue Balls (Multi-verses) are seperate from each other, and how the little Purple Balls (the Anchors domain) are seperated from the Blue Balls.
This is why Atleza, Gamora and Warlock were untouched, they were there, in A little Purple Ball, (the Anchors domain, Outside it's respective Multi-verse)
This why Thanos could not absorb more, he absorbed everything within that Blue Ball (a Multi-verse) and evidently, he could not reach any furthur
"Nothing Remained"
Remember he was "Out of Control"
He kept on absorbing till there was nothing left for him to absorb (literally), had he been able to absorb everything outside his Multi-verse, it would have been no problem with TOAA's power,
But Thanos was NOT able to do it, meaning that's as FAR as TOAA permitted his power to be used, absorption of a Multi-verse, even though being the most powerful being in the Omni-verse.
Only two other characters have shown power on such a scale:
Wanda in HOM (who nearly collapsed the Omni-verse) and Mad Jim Jaspers (who once almost re-wrote the Omni-verse)
What this ALL means is:
The Beyonder and the Presence CREATED each an INFINITE UNIVERSE
TOAA CREATED an INFINITE OMNI-VERSE
Based on this:
TOAA > Beyonder or the Presence
You're however, misinformed again.
Read closely.
"Across the Earth and across the galaxies. For my work isn't limited to one planet, one culture, one small vision of reality. The Hand of The Divine reaches across space and time... across all the limitless planes of existance. And where he points. I follow...."
--Hal Jordan, the Spectre. Volume 4, issue 27.
DC is not only infinitely expanding as a universe, but is also comprised of infinitely overlapping planes of existances and creations.
And he's saying this from a perspective of being bonded to a fragment of the Presence's whole, still having no true concept of The Presence itself, only that it is far greater than him,
Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea, if it wasn't for that newb, I would be able to get into something I discovered last night.I have a question before I go there.
Was the original DC Multi-verse Infinite?
AM left less than Ten Universes I understand.
And after that the Presence created an Infinite Universe right?
OF all the points that I brought up, all you can do is call me a name? you didn't directly any of the points that I brought up.
Originally posted by Juntai
DC is not only infinitely expanding as a universe, but is also comprised of infinitely overlapping planes of existances and creations.
I hear that,
but TOAA created an INFINITE Multi-verse
And there's an INFINITE Number of those INFINITE Multi-verses within the Cosmic Vortex
And now you go from they beyonder being equal to the presence to an entirely differnt argument? The presence is already over an omniverse. He not only had different versions of reality, as in the kingdom and the infinite alternate realities, he also has completely different verses that are part of his omniverse under his control. He has the vertigo universe and all it's universes that are create with in it. He has the 1st.,2nd, 3rd, and 4th worlds, which are not part of the multiverse that was the infinite alternate verses. He has the dimensnions, which as far as we know go to the tenth. Maybe higher. The Presence and TOAA are equal while the beyonder is not. Just like I have been saying.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm not acknowledging you anymore, I've had my fun.When you present info that certifies you as a comic book reader, you'l exist again.
Cute way to totally not be able to answer any of my questions. I totally backed you into a corner with my simple questions and you just changed ur whole argument. You are the one who doesn't exist. You can't even stand on an argument.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Cute way to totally not be able to answer any of my questions. I totally backed you into a corner with my simple questions and you just changed ur whole argument. You are the one who doesn't exist. You can't even stand on an argument.
Dude get over yourself, you didn't backed him into a corner. If you read what he said he is not acknowledging you period, lay off the crack it's killing your brains cells.
Mr. Master has shown you proof after proof, and you still don't acknowledge it, you want people to believe your side of the argument which is not gong to happen, not even in the after life.
Mr. Master pawned you like polar bear pawns a elephant seal, and it's bloody sceen.
Mr. Master 10-0, clean sweep.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Dude get over yourself, you didn't backed him into a corner. If you read what he said he is not acknowledging you period, lay off the crack it's killing your brains cells.Mr. Master has shown you proof after proof, and you still don't acknowledge it, you want people to believe your side of the argument which is not gong to happen, not even in the after life.
Mr. Master pawned you like polar bear pawns a elephant seal, and it's bloody sceen.
Mr. Master 10-0, clean sweep.
You so get on my nerves. did you even read what I was posting? did you read the questions I was asking? did you even read how I was calling him out on what was on panel as opposed to what he was saying on panel? Ibet you didnt. you just came here to be a dick.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You so get on my nerves. did you even read what I was posting? did you read the questions I was asking? did you even read how I was calling him out on what was on panel as opposed to what he was saying on panel? Ibet you didnt. you just came here to be a dick.
I did read your post but everything else you have said is crap, you get on my nerves like everybody else's. You haven't even backed up your arguments with panels feats or comic books, is like what ever you said we suppose too take like it's the gospel. At least Mr. Master and other can back themselves up with scans or issue numbers at least, if anything he's been telling you where to look, if you don't see or you don't want too see it. Just face it you are Dc fanboy to the fullest, deal with.
Originally posted by the Darkone
I did read your post but everything else you have said is crap, you get on my nerves like everybody else's. You haven't even backed up your arguments with panels feats or comic books, is like what ever you said we suppose too take like it's the gospel. At least Mr. Master and other can back themselves up with scans or issue numbers at least, if anything he's been telling you where to look, if you don't see or you don't want too see it. Just face it you are Dc fanboy to the fullest, deal with.
Now I know you didn't read shit. Bring up one of the questions that I asked him or something that I pointed out over the last few pages that he directly answered. I know you didnt. BEcuz most of my debating was from the things he posted, and what he said about them. there was no need for me to post anything. YOu didn't read anything i wrote, at least not objectively.
Originally posted by bigbran
Mr. M. Do you think that Presence will win?
Evidently,
The Presence and the Beyonder both created INFINITE UNIVERSES.
So in the Power department they are Equal.
The Presence might be able to win though, considering his Omniscience is above Beyonder's.
TOAA is ABOVE both of them in Power, because he created an INFINITE Multi-verse,
and there are an INFINITE Number of INFINITE Multi-verses within the Cosmic Vortex, which TOAA created.
I didn't bring this up, cause I wasn't through spanking my child.
Originally posted by Mr Masterthis is what im saying, Thanos THOTU was arguning the fact that the beyonder was omniscent, and again my point was proven by you when u said "the beyonder didnt realize life would be meaningless without death" if he would have been omniscent as god is, then he would have surely known this 🙂
If Presence made no mistakes, there would never have been a Parallax.If the TOAA made no mistakes, there would never had been the Chaos Wave, which possibly could of erased even HIS Domain.
If the breach is not sealed, "the Chaos Wave will continue to expand, perhaps to the ASCENTION itself"
A moment of PIS, to add to the drama.
This doesn't mean anything.
Beyonder made sure the MULTI-VERSE would survive without Death,
but Beyonder didn't realize Life would be meaningless without Death.You can't expect Beyonder to know this, when he is Immortal in the absolute sense.
