Originally posted by rotiart
Forget you man. The guy created hypertime to explain his errors away and bring back the silver age of comics. He deserves my disdain!Well... unless he wants to create a reason why make silver surfer beat full powered, ship eating galactus... then maybe i'll like him. 😛
Mark Waid>You 😐
EAT IT, PUNK!!! 😠 😛
No, but his run on the JLA was really good.
The question is:
How could Beyonder been the most powerful force in the Multi-verse (stated a couple of times), if TOAA exsited then, wouldent he be weaker then?
Than we have Omnipotence -?- Omnipotence + Omnisience.
How could you kill a being as powerful as you just because your smarter?
What strategy could he possibly use?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The question is:
How could Beyonder been the most powerful force in the Multi-verse (stated a couple of times), if TOAA exsited then, wouldent he be weaker then?
And TOAA was weaker then,
TOAA had created One Multi-verse
Beyonder created an Infinite Universe
Beyonder > TOAA
THEN
TOAA expanded his Multi-verse into an Infinite Multi-verse.
Then TOAA increased his Infinite Multi-verse into an Omni-verse
This is how it looks from the Inside: The Siege Perilous
The Omni-verse is an Infinite number of Infinite Multi-verses
This is how it looks from the Outside: The Cosmic Vortex
So, not only is there an Infinite number of Multi-verses...but each Multi-verse is Infinite too. 😆 the madness....
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Than we have Omnipotence -?- Omnipotence + Omnisience.
How could you kill a being as powerful as you just because your smarter?
What strategy could he possibly use?
As you can see, TOAA out did himself, I overlooked this, but I simply learn as I go.
I'm certain of this estimation now though.
Originally posted by Mr Master
And TOAA was weaker then,TOAA had created One Multi-verse
Beyonder created an Infinite Universe
Beyonder > TOAA
THEN
TOAA expanded his Multi-verse into an Infinite Multi-verse.
Then TOAA increased his Infinite Multi-verse into an Omni-verse
This is how it looks from the Inside: The Siege Perilous
The Omni-verse is an Infinite number of Infinite Multi-verses
This is how it looks from the Outside: The Cosmic Vortex
So, not only is there an Infinite number of Multi-verses...but each Multi-verse is Infinite too. 😆 the madness....
As you can see, TOAA out did himself, I overlooked this, but I simply learn as I go.
I'm certain of this estimation now though.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Hmm... But the statement of Beyonder having the powers of the writers?
As they all do if you really think about it.
Beyonder is my man, you know that,
but based on feats, (on that's ALL that counts to me) TOAA is superior.
TOAA & "GOD" are equal
Pre-retcon Beyonder is only second to that, in the history of Marvel
Originally posted by rotiart
why is there hypertime arguements still? didn't i quash that a while ago?My.. my head... jesus.. damn you Mark Waid and your gibberish. Even the allpowerful Dan Dido could not stop your cultlike following!
I shall run from this thread, seeing as Mr. Master is doing an excellent job as usual of holding up his end of the arguements. And as batdude13 says, who do you think is winning this fight 😛
My mistake (again) I was thinking about Elseworlds and getting it mixed up with the explanation for Wally's sometimes flippy eye color.
Originally posted by Mr Master
No...YOU don't even know, the rest of us that actually READ the Comic know better.The Living Tribunal's JOB is to Protect the Multi-verse from INBALANCE!!!
Yes, the Tribunal's job is to judge, but I'm saying that we don't know that it wasn't in his power to bring Death back. The LT is multiversal and has power on the level to destroy universes which would also destroy that universe's abstracts. This would seem to point out that he also has the power to destroy Multi-Death by destroying all of the universes and he's only a servant of TOAA. This is the VS forum, people fight/exercise power for no real reason at all. I'm not sure if this makes any more sense but Beyonder's big feat was possible by at least one other character we know of.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Adam took NO shortcuts, WHAT the HELL are you talking about.
Adam destroyed time/Eternity-616 along with a lot of other concepts. No passage of time no one dies. No death/Death-616.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The second Beyonder was able to ERASE it.That's the WRITER talking, NOT the Beyonder.
'He intends to destroy it.' Villans intend not to be caught also. Heroes throw 'earth-shattering' blows or burn with the power of a 1000 suns. Its a wonder Earth has survived this long.
Originally posted by Mr Master
"whittled the inifinite multiverse down to 10"That statement is an Oxymoron.
Yes 'whittle infinity down to 10' is an oxymoron. But we have characters who say they can make it '0'? I don't really see the difference. I think some of this idea was covered in the 'omniscience vs omnipotence' thread however. At that 'level' of power our logic doesn't necessarily hold sway.
Originally posted by Mr MasterSo much for equality.
Molecule Man had power enough up to the task of preventing Baby Beyonder from destroying the multiverse. Whatever force that Baby Beyonder's death unleashed to destroy the multiverse didn't take effect/was canceled out. 1-1=0. Hmmm, and Baby Beyonder's death apparently equals Molecule Man's death. Symmetry.
Originally posted by Mr Master
No one ever compared the Presence's Omniscience to the Beyonder's.Thanx for the "wisdom" though.
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Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Omnisient isnt a factor when it comes to omnipotence in battle.
Because either way they will keep on fighting each other for "omni-time".
You cannot kill a truley omnipotent being...
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While the Beyonder is pontificating or working out plans and details (re:bringing back Death) the Presence knows how *everything* works and snaps his fingers. Battle's done.
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You're welcome.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Like there was anything else? 😆
Sorry, let me explain. I was making a distinction between someone who actually did something (infinity to the finite '10'😉 versus someone who kept on blabbing out doing something.
Originally posted by Mr Master
And as the other person was told,Emptyness or Nothingness is still a stage of Existence IN MARVEL Comics.
According to Beyonder it wasn't even a place. That is not empty, that is non-existance.
Thanos, according to Adam, overlooked Death along with Adam. It never stated that he couldn't.
Originally posted by Mr Master
As they all do if you really think about it.Beyonder is my man, you know that,
but based on feats, (on that's ALL that counts to me) TOAA is superior.
TOAA & "GOD" are equal
Pre-retcon Beyonder is only second to that, in the history of Marvel
Because if someone is superior to the UN, he needs greater feats than destroying, creating the Multi-verse, everyone above it can do it (mostly).
And we also know.
Beyonder >> LT
I think:
Beyonder = TOAA (in terms of power)
[Because "God" is an avatar of the writer (in form of Jack Kirby) and he had the writers powers]
[Beyonder was going to be the character that represented the powers the wrtiers had over the comics, in other words an avatar.]
TOAA, LT >> Beyonder (in terms of intelligence)
But in terms of intelligence; I don't know how smart TOAA is (never stated) but LT was stated after beating the Post-retcon Amalgams, that no noone had a omniseince suprassing his.
So I guess LT is as smart as TOAA and smarter than Beyonder.
Please correct me if I'm wrong... 😮
IDK if the point of distintion has been made but...
Does the UN break everything down and reassemble it all, in a manner similar to the previous universe collapsing and then big banging, or does it annhilate everything and then re-create it from nothing?
Did the TOAA have anything to work with?
It has all been interesting though. 🙂
Originally posted by lft4ded
IDK if the point of distintion has been made but...Does the UN break everything down and reassemble it all, in a manner similar to the previous universe collapsing and then big banging, or does it annhilate everything and then re-create it from nothing?
Did the TOAA have anything to work with?
It has all been interesting though. 🙂
