Pre Ret Con Beyonder Vs. THe Presence

Originally posted by lft4ded
I'm not sure if this makes any more sense but Beyonder's big feat was possible by at least one other character we know of.

Beyonder's "big feat" ISN'T Erasing Multi-Death.

Beyonder's Big Feat is Creating from Nothingness an INFINITE UNIVERSE

"Since the Beyonder's departure there has been UTTER NOTHING"

"A few moments ago, SOMETHING HAPPENED"

"Meeting NO resistance in the INFINITE BEYOND.

"Within the New Universe, BEGAT (brought into existence) by Beyonder's Power"

"Mortal Beings giving meaning to the INFINITY in which they dwell"

Originally posted by lft4ded
Adam destroyed time/Eternity-616 along with a lot of other concepts. No passage of time no one dies. No death/Death-616.

Your unsupported theory.

On Panel, even if ALL of TIME and SPACE is ERASED, Death still SURVIVES

Originally posted by lft4ded
'He intends to destroy it.' Villans intend not to be caught also. Heroes throw 'earth-shattering' blows or burn with the power of a 1000 suns. Its a wonder Earth has survived this long.

He intends my ass,

Had the Molecule Man not Opened that Portal, the Multiverse would have been toast.

"A Portal was Opened from OUR UNIVERSE into the Beyond"

"Molecule Man Opened the Portal, SAVING ALL Existence on HIS SIDE"

Originally posted by lft4ded
Yes 'whittle infinity down to 10' is an oxymoron. But we have characters who say they can make it '0'? I don't really see the difference. I think some of this idea was covered in the 'omniscience vs omnipotence' thread however. At that 'level' of power our logic doesn't necessarily hold sway.

You must be under the impression that yours does....😆

Originally posted by lft4ded
Molecule Man had power enough up to the task of preventing Baby Beyonder from destroying the multiverse. Whatever force that Baby Beyonder's death unleashed to destroy the multiverse didn't take effect/was canceled out.

Addressed, and handled.

Originally posted by lft4ded
Sorry, let me explain. I was making a distinction between someone who actually did something (infinity to the finite '10'😉 versus someone who kept on blabbing out doing something.

"vs someone who kept on blabbing out doing something"

You mean the way he CREATED an INFINITE UNIVERSE On Panel?

yea, I see what you mean.... 😉

Originally posted by lft4ded
According to Beyonder it wasn't even a place. That is not empty, that is non-existance.

I explained it to you with scans, if you didn't understand then, your hopeless.

Originally posted by lft4ded
Thanos, according to Adam, overlooked Death along with Adam. It never stated that he couldn't.

When you show me where it says, "Thanos Overlooked ADAM" in anyway, we'll move foward.

Thanos didn't overlook anything, Thanos absorbed ALL he could.

The OMNI-VERSE and the rest of the Multi-verses rest with in the Cosmic Vortex.

See those little Purple Balls, thats where Atleza is (the Cosmic Anchor of the "616" Multi-verse)...

and every little Purple Ball is the Domain of an Anchor of a Multi-verse ...

Each Domain is Outside the Multiverse...Untouched by Space or Time....

The much bigger Blue Balls represent EACH a Multi-verse, and the SUM of the Blue Balls is the Omni-verse.

Anything Outside the Blue Balls is Untouched by Space & Time,
which Multi-Eternity/Infinity encompass.

See how the Blue Balls (Multi-verses) are separate from each other, and how the little Purple Balls (the Anchor's domain) are separated from the Blue Balls.

This is why Atleza, Gamora and Warlock were untouched, they were there, in A little Purple Ball, (the Anchors domain, Outside it's respective Multi-verse)

This why Thanos could not absorb more, he absorbed everything within that Blue Ball (a Multi-verse) and evidently, he could not reach any furthur

"Nothing Remained"

Remember he was "Out of Control"

He kept on absorbing till there was nothing left for him to absorb (literally), HAD he been able to absorb everything Outside his Multi-verse, it would have been no problem with TOAA's power,

But Thanos was NOT able to do it, meaning that's as FAR as TOAA permitted his power to be used, absorption of a Multi-verse and Remaking that same Multi-verse, even though being the most powerful being in the Omni-verse.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yeah but; TOAA's greatest feature is creating the Multi-verse.

I see why you explained the rest.

TOAA created alot more than that since the Secret Wars series, I had overlooked this too.

TOAA expanded his Multi-verse into an Infinite Multi-verse

TOAA expanded his Infinite Multi-verse, into an Omni-verse

This is how the Omni-verse looks from the Inside, (the Siege Perilous)

This is how the Omni-verse looks from the Outside (the Cosmic Vortex)

In it, an INFINITE number of MULTI-VERSES are spiralling upward, while below lies Oblivion, (the ultimate Abstract in terms of everlasting), swallowing Multi-verses that collapse, are nullified, have a weakened Anchor (like Atleza) ect...

TOAA created an Infinite number of Multi-verses, and EACH Multi-verse is INFINITE aswell.

IF Oprah Winfrey and Donald Trump are each Worth Two billion Dollars, and Donald has built more buildings than Oprah, and has a bigger house and more employees, is he richer or more powerful than her becuz he's built more with his fortune than she has? Or are they still =

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IF Oprah Winfrey and Donald Trump are each Worth Two billion Dollars, and Donald has built more buildings than Oprah, and has a bigger house and more employees, is he richer or more powerful than her becuz he's built more with his fortune than she has? Or are they still =

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Infinity times infinity is still infinity.
Infinity devided by infinity is still infinity.

Originally posted by galan7777777
but if you divide any number (even infinity) then the outcome is still less then it started out as

INfinity cannot be divided or multiplied. Period. In the true sense of the word, and not the comic book sense. Once Something is infinite, it cannot over lap, can't be vortexed, can't be portioned off or anything. IT is every thing all at once.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
INfinity cannot be divided or multiplied. Period. In the true sense of the word, and not the comic book sense. Once Something is infinite, it cannot over lap, can't be vortexed, can't be portioned off or anything. IT is every thing all at once.

you cant divide something by infinity anything divided by infinity in mathematical terms is 0.

you're discussing purely conceptual terms. for mathematical reasons there are differing MAGNITUDES of infinity. there are an infinite number of numbers between 0 and 1 (zeno's paradox). there are an infinite number of numbers between 1 and 2. BOTH 'infinities' together are 'bigger' than either alone.

Originally posted by leonidas
you're discussing purely conceptual terms. for mathematical reasons there are differing MAGNITUDES of infinity. there are an infinite number of numbers between 0 and 1 (zeno's paradox). there are an infinite number of numbers between 1 and 2. BOTH 'infinities' together are 'bigger' than either alone.

Bigger in a human concept of what bigger is only becuz we cannot fully grasp the truly infinite. Something Infinite cannot be added to, or multiplied.

not really. in my example, there are an infinite number of numbers between 1 and 0. none of those numbers take into account ANY of the numbers between 1 and 2. they are equally 'infinite' individually, but together the sets sets of infinity are larger than either alone. and there are an infinite number of subsets of infinity . . .

my head hurts . . . 🙁

Are you guys discussing which infinity is bigger?

Originally posted by Validus
Are you guys discussing which infinity is bigger?

Originally posted by Validus
Are you guys discussing which infinity is bigger?

yeh. too heady for you. 😖mart:

and it's more like subsets of infinity can exist within larger macro-sets of infinity. there are infinite numbers between 5-6 and a 'larger' infinity encloses the 'infinite' numbers between 1 and 10. the 'infinity' between 5 and 6 does NOT include the infinities between 1 and 2, 2 and 3, and so on, so conceptually we say that the set of infinity between 1-10>5-6.

in the same way, an 'infinite' universe can exist inside a 'larger' infinite multiverse.

least that's the way i've always viewed it.

i have to somewhat disagree with this scan you posted mr master:
http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=b3oz3.jpg

the scan isnt saying it was an infinate universe, but rather that the explosion which created a universe met no resistance in the "infinate beyond realm"

and you got this scan from SW II book #9, and right before that scan, there is a scan which says exactly: "the unimaginable energy burst into the endlessness of the beyond in an explosive torrent not unlike the cataclysmic explosion said to have begun our universe..." this implies that the explosion was as great as the one that created out universe, and certainly no greater

okay what about negative infinity???? "calculus" that exists.

negative infinity? 😕

there is of course an infinite number of integers. the larger set of 'infinite' integers is 'larger' even than the other examples i mentioned . . .

yeah, i had pre calc for a while in high school till i dropped the class and we talked about negative infinities for a while, i was just wondering if someone knew. since i never finished the class. laughing and if that would apply here

Originally posted by galan7777777
i understand this, but if Thanos wants to use this math crap in debates then he had to know how it works

But I was refering to: The Nullifier could destroy the Multi-verse, and recreate it from nothing.

God (= TOAA) is the avatar of the writer, I mean if you burn the piece of paper with Jack Kirby, you techicaly "kill" a wrtier's avatar.
Beyonder was an avatar of a writer.
(Same would go for him)
So basicly in power: PR Beyonder = God

Beyonder didn't show to create an infinite Multi-verse, true.
But he had reached the end of Omnipotence, he didnt know what desire was, he could do anything. But that didnt mean he did everything.

If he wouldent be able to create a Multi-verse he would know what "desire for more power" was. It was also stated that he could do anything.
And to be the most powerful force in the Multi-verse and outside it.

but wouldn't the writer and illustrater themselves actually be precense or toaa because if you kill their avatar they can just create another one