Pre Ret Con Beyonder Vs. THe Presence

Started by Mr Master42 pages
Originally posted by breeze85
One can only wonder how someone can't comprehend with clear proven facts.

He has to be doing it with spite,

because I've seen him in other debates and I know he's not retarded.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And I was respectful until you became either intransigent,

or a jerk that wants to wind me up.

And this is the kind of thing that makes me say, he's retarded or he's doing it on purpose.

why do you persist with the verbal slander? I never try to get the best of you or bring up things on purpose, if there is anything that i have questions on im gonna bring it up..... are you not the same way? i know that your knowledge of the beyonder is great, but i still had a question, and after the evidence you posted i still didnt think it specifically addressed my question....... but im not going to continue on with this, im hear to chill out and have fun as are you 😉

Originally posted by Mr Master
He has to be doing it with spite,
now why would i do it with spite? ive NEVER had a problem with you 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
because I've seen him in other debates and I know he's not retarded.
well ill take that as a compliment lol!

Originally posted by galan7777777
why do you persist with the verbal slander? I never try to get the best of you or bring up things on purpose, if there is anything that i have questions on im gonna bring it up..... are you not the same way? i know that your knowledge of the beyonder is great, but i still had a question, and after the evidence you posted i still didnt think it specifically addressed my question.

How do you think I'm suppose to take you telling me that I haven't shown you proof of the Beyonder creating an Infinite Universe.

That it was an INFINITE UNIVERSE BEFORE Beyonder arrived in our Universe.

That Beyonder WAS that ENTIRE INFINITY,

And that in the END of Secret Wars II,

Beyonder RETURNED to that EMPTYNESS, to FILL UP AGAIN with the INFINITY it WAS BEFORE, which WAS HIM

Only THIS time, WITH LIFE BESIDES the INFINITE BEYONDER.

That's it, that's the story.

Originally posted by Mr Master
How do you think I'm suppose to take you telling me that I haven't shown you proof of the Beyonder creating an Infinite Universe.

That it was an INFINITE UNIVERSE BEFORE Beyonder arrived in our Universe.

That Beyonder WAS that ENTIRE INFINITY,

And that in the END of Secret Wars II,

Beyonder RETURNED to that EMPTYNESS, to FILL UP AGAIN with the INFINITY it WAS BEFORE, which WAS HIM

Only THIS time, WITH LIFE BESIDES the INFINITE BEYONDER.

That's it, that's the story.

ok so your saying that once the beyonder "exploded" his power filled the entire void of infinity? i see what you mean, but where does it say this on pannel? i really am just curious 🙂 and no need to post any scans, (ill take your word for it)

Originally posted by Mr Master
Deal with me, and keep referrences geared at me, with me alone.
i always keep them geared at you untill the croanie chimes in with his idolistic crap

Originally posted by Mr Master
I call em like I see em.
as do I 🙂

Originally posted by galan7777777
ok so your saying that once the beyonder "exploded" his power filled the entire void of infinity? i see what you mean, but where does it say this on pannel? i really am just curious and no need to post any scans, (ill take your word for it)

I'll post some anyway.

The same scan you were using

What is interesting about this scan is, it's not Comparing OUR Universe with the Beyonder's in any way

The Unimaginable Energy Burst INTO the Endlessness of the Beyond in an EXPLOSIVE TORRENT Not Unlike the Explosion said to have BEGUN Our Universe...

It's clearly referring to the MANNER in which the EXPLOSION took place,

"TORRENT" which means: a strong and fast-moving stream

Beyonder Exploded his Energy into the Beyond Realm and once AGAIN became the UNIVERSE that was there BEFORE.

I guess I'll just DISINCORPORATE EXPAND to FILL

Or Actually, to BECOME the OL' BEYOND-REALM AGAIN

He COMES from ANOTHER UNIVERSE

THERE, HE WAS ALL, the SUM TOTAL of EXISTENCE

A Being who HAILS FROM a UNIVERSE WHERE HE WAS ALL

AND ALL WAS HIM

Opened a Pinhole INTO HIS REALM

The Beyonder was the Beyond Realm

The Beyond Realm was a Universe

The Universe was Infinite

Beyonder= Beyond Realm = Universe = Infinite

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'll post some anyway.

The same scan you were using

What is interesting about this scan is, it's not Comparing OUR Universe with the Beyonder's in any way

The Unimaginable Energy Burst INTO the Endlessness of the Beyond in an EXPLOSIVE TORRENT Not Unlike the Explosion said to have BEGUN Our Universe...

It's clearly referring to the MANNER in which the EXPLOSION took place,

"TORRENT" which means: a strong and fast-moving stream

Beyonder Exploded his Energy into the Beyond Realm and once AGAIN became the UNIVERSE that was there BEFORE.

AND ALL WAS HIM

Opened a Pinhole INTO HIS REALM

The Beyonder was the Beyond Realm

The Beyond Realm was a Universe

The Universe was Infinite

Beyonder= Beyond Realm = Universe = Infinite

ok, that scan is all i originally wanted you to address, and i thank you for doing so, now i understand a little better what you meant, but im sure you can understand why i originally had questions about it 😉

Bump.

PR Beyonder wins.

i feel with what i have recently learned about the presence that beyonder could take this.

For all of Beyonder's power, his intelligence and knowledge was lacking. The Presence's omniscience will allow him to win.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
For all of Beyonder's power, his intelligence and knowledge was lacking. The Presence's omniscience will allow him to win.
i dont know dc doesnt even even allow the presence to be supreme. geb from what i hear stalemated him. that sounds like he isnt supreme in dc.

GEB is the equal and opposite of the Presence, they are two parts of one being.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
GEB is the equal and opposite of the Presence, they are two parts of one being.
TOAA doesnt have an equal or an opposite. dc's supreme isnt all that supreme anymore.

How should I explain this to you?

The best metaphor would be someone with multiple personality disorder. Still one person.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
How should I explain this to you?

The best metaphor would be someone with multiple personality disorder. Still one person.

Presence wins

Pre Rect Beyonder is powerful but lets face he was an idiot.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
How should I explain this to you?

The best metaphor would be someone with multiple personality disorder. Still one person.

so presence is insane. still i see two parts of the presence being in direct conflict with one another. presence could still win this but i lost respect for dc when i heard of presence not being supreme.

What The Beyonder did Michael was also able to do. He powered a whole dimension all by himself and was in a weakened state. The Inbetween City built by Sandalphon and a few angels that left after the great war was powered by Michael and this dimension was outside the multiverse, if Michael ripped himself off like he could have done it would have destroyed everything. After leaving it literally collapsed

Originally posted by quanchi112
so presence is insane. still i see two parts of the presence being in direct conflict with one another. presence could still win this but i lost respect for dc when i heard of presence not being supreme.

The Presence is Supreme in DC. DC handles its Supreme Being differently...actually giving Him roles in a story. You never see TOAA directly in a storyline...so, you can't really compare. The Great Evil Beast is also Supreme...that is why the Presence and he stalemated. The GEB is the ONLY being that could stalemate Presence.

Presence would beat Beyonder effortlessly....because Beyonder is less than the absolute Supreme in Marvel.