Pre Ret Con Beyonder Vs. THe Presence

Originally posted by KMC_Drifter
The Presence is Supreme in DC. DC handles its Supreme Being differently...actually giving Him roles in a story. You never see TOAA directly in a storyline...so, you can't really compare. The Great Evil Beast is also Supreme...that is why the Presence and he stalemated. The GEB is the ONLY being that could stalemate Presence.

Ok lets just play your game since it's obvious that you do not consider TOAA above the comic world even though you implied it on the Thanos/Beyonder vs Spectre/ Michael's thread.

First off, the Presence and GEB are not one in the same.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/geb1.jpg
"This thing's been excluded from the ordered universe since its formation." Formation is a synonym for creation.
The Presence excluded the GEB ever since he created it.

Definition of supreme: above all others; highest in ranking.
Is the Presence above all others? No, he has an equal in the GEB. Highest in ranking? Technically he is tied for the top spot.

Definition of Supreme Being: God.
Definition of God: the being believed in monotheistic religions such as Judaism, Islam, and Christianity to be the all-powerful all-knowing creator of the universe, worshiped as the only god
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
The Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe. Merriam Webster.
The one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe. Dictionary.com
God: A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions. American Heritage Dictionary.

Is the Presence any of the above? No. Hence the Presence is not a Supreme Being.
Also, you can't have two supreme beings. There can only be one.

Originally posted by KMC_Drifter
Presence would beat Beyonder effortlessly....because Beyonder is less than the absolute Supreme in Marvel.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Ok lets just play your game since it's obvious that you do not consider TOAA above the comic world even though you implied it on the Thanos/Beyonder vs Spectre/ Michael's thread.

First off, the Presence and GEB are not one in the same.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/geb1.jpg
[B]"This thing's been excluded from the ordered universe since its formation." Formation is a synonym for creation.
The Presence excluded the GEB ever since he created it.

Definition of supreme: above all others; highest in ranking.
Is the Presence above all others? No, he has an equal in the GEB. Highest in ranking? Technically he is tied for the top spot.

Definition of Supreme Being: God.
Definition of God: the being believed in monotheistic religions such as Judaism, Islam, and Christianity to be the all-powerful all-knowing creator of the universe, worshiped as the only god
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
The Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe. Merriam Webster.
The one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe. Dictionary.com
God: A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions. American Heritage Dictionary.

Is the Presence any of the above? No. Hence the Presence is not a Supreme Being.
Also, you can't have two supreme beings. There can only be one.

According to your logic, Classic Beyonder was just as "supreme" as the Presence, in fact more. Unlike the Presence, Beyonder had no equal. [/B]

No, the Presence is Supreme. He sits on the throne in Heaven. He created the angelic host...Michael, Lucifer, etc..

Beyonder is not Supreme in Marvel...he is below the TOAA.

TOAA has nothing to do with DC....only Marvel, hence TOAA can not be above ALL things comic...only all things comic in Marvel.

In the other thread, I stated that DC does not have a Supreme Being that is represented by the writers or editors of the company. Marvel is the only company with that concept. I meant to imply that if you went by the logic of writers as Supreme Beings...then the Presence would only be on the level of the most supreme being in Marvel not represented by a writer...and that would be Beyonder. However, I don't follow that logic. Presence is meant to be the Creator...the Supreme Being over all of DC comics...even though He isn't represented by a writer. Just because two companies do things differently does not mean that one Supreme Being is beyond another, hence the Presence is just as Supreme as the TOAA. The TOAA does not write DC comics...therefore He can not erase what He has no jurisdiction over. You see the dilemma?

The Beyonder is not Supreme as presented on panel. If Beyonder was Supreme...he would've blinked Molecule Man from existence...and he wouldn't have acted so dumb at times. The Presence has never been caught off guard...and He has never been challenged by anyone....much like the TOAA.

Again..as far as this fight goes....Presence would win...effortlessly.

With the power millions of times greater than the multiverse?

Oh wait...Beyonder only has that.

Presence wins.

I suppose the reason this is over 30 pages is because of alot people getting off topic. Presence wins hands down. PRC Beyonder was (key word was) powerful but I mean come on.

Originally posted by KMC_Drifter
In the other thread, I stated that DC does not have a Supreme Being that is represented by the writers or editors of the company. Marvel is the only company with that concept.

Originally posted by KMC_Drifter
In the other thread, I stated that DC does not have a Supreme Being that is represented by the writers or editors of the company. Marvel is the only company with that concept.

Originally posted by Juntai
That was merely how they percieved him. Just as Corrigan and Hal both saw things differently. It's all perception. The Kirby character shown in the fantastic four book even mentioned it. He also mentioned being flawed.

"That's what MY creations do.... They find the humanity in God":

I find the whole "writer is the supreme being" thing cheesy as hell.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I find the whole "writer is the supreme being" thing cheesy as hell.

The writers/artists are who really decide what happens in a comic book... So it's only fitting to call them the "Supreme Beings", imo.

srug

Originally posted by Galan007
Why? It's the literal truth..

The writers/artists are who really decide what happens in a comic book... So it's only fitting to call them the "Supreme Beings", imo.

srug

Cheeeesssyyyyyyyyy

Originally posted by Skeets
What the hell?
The Presence is the supreme being you can't question what it is.
The Presence can not be challenged what so ever.

Well said.

Originally posted by KMC_Drifter
In the other thread, I stated that DC does not have a Supreme Being that is represented by the writers or editors of the company. Marvel is the only company with that concept. I meant to imply that if you went by the logic of writers as Supreme Beings...then the Presence would only be on the level of the most supreme being in Marvel not represented by a writer...and that would be Beyonder. However, I don't follow that logic. Presence is meant to be the Creator...the Supreme Being over all of DC comics...even though He isn't represented by a writer. Just because two companies do things differently does not mean that one Supreme Being is beyond another, hence the Presence is just as Supreme as the TOAA. The TOAA does not write DC comics...therefore He can not erase what He has no jurisdiction over. You see the dilemma?

Finally, someone said something with logic/rational that people can understand. Drfter, thanks for putting it in plain English. 😉

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I find the whole "writer is the supreme being" thing cheesy as hell.

Very much agreed. ✅

Yo.

Originally posted by KMC_Drifter
The Beyonder is not Supreme as presented on panel. If Beyonder was Supreme...he would've blinked Molecule Man from existence...and he wouldn't have acted so dumb at times. The Presence has never been caught off guard...and He has never been challenged by anyone....much like the TOAA.

and more to the point, the Presence would never have had his power stolen from him by a 75% dead lunatic whos missing an arm & a leg, in armor.

Tazer

Originally posted by KMC_Drifter
No, the Presence is Supreme. He sits on the throne in Heaven. He created the angelic host...Michael, Lucifer, etc..

Beyonder is not Supreme in Marvel...he is below the TOAA.

TOAA has nothing to do with DC....only Marvel, hence TOAA can not be above ALL things comic...only all things comic in Marvel.

In the other thread, I stated that DC does not have a Supreme Being that is represented by the writers or editors of the company. Marvel is the only company with that concept. I meant to imply that if you went by the logic of writers as Supreme Beings...then the Presence would only be on the level of the most supreme being in Marvel not represented by a writer...and that would be Beyonder. However, I don't follow that logic. Presence is meant to be the Creator...the Supreme Being over all of DC comics...even though He isn't represented by a writer. Just because two companies do things differently does not mean that one Supreme Being is beyond another, hence the Presence is just as Supreme as the TOAA. The TOAA does not write DC comics...therefore He can not erase what He has no jurisdiction over. You see the dilemma?

The Beyonder is not Supreme as presented on panel. If Beyonder was Supreme...he would've blinked Molecule Man from existence...and he wouldn't have acted so dumb at times. The Presence has never been caught off guard...and He has never been challenged by anyone....much like the TOAA.

Again..as far as this fight goes....Presence would win...effortlessly.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

and more to the point, the Presence would never have had his power stolen from him by a 75% dead lunatic whos missing an arm & a leg, in armor.

Tazer

i could be wrong im just asking is all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
technically wouldnt the godwave be the presences power. didnt cronus steal it and then couldnt handle it.

i could be wrong im just asking is all.

Originally posted by Galan007
A 'true' Godwave = the power of the Source, [an uncontrollable force, from what we've seen].

😉

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
technically wouldnt the godwave be the presences power. didnt cronus steal it and then couldnt handle it.

i could be wrong im just asking is all.

not really, based on how it was created; it didnt come from The Presence, but from the destruction of the "2nd World".

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

not really, based on how it was created; it didnt come from The Presence, but from the destruction of the "2nd World".

Tazer

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THE POWER OF THE PRESENCE IS MINE.!!!!!!!!!!!!!