Pre Ret Con Beyonder Vs. THe Presence

Started by Galan00742 pages

Originally posted by Mr Master
Right.

It's obviously a drawing representing the "real world" artists and writers.

If this means representitives of the "real world" Artists and Writers within Comics?

I agree 100% (that's all I was sayin) 🙂

This is what I'm saying.

How else would comic characters perceive a "real world" artist?

As a comic character of course.

Originally posted by Juntai
We just have to disagree on something. Not terribly uncommon. The evidence is ambiguous in this circumstance. It's my understanding that they are merely percieving him this way, and that it's not literal.[As the .com mentions him 'taking that form', and he mentions merely being percieved by them in this fashion], and you seem to be taking the visuals as evidence verbatim or something somehow.

Ey we can disagree and discuss our disagreements for pages on and it's cool with me.

I can have very long debates with intelligent and sensable debaters such as yourself,
why you have to lean into snide remarks, sarcasm and straight up disrespecting is strange.
It's uncalled for and unprovoked (I just went through the last two pages ... can't figure out what stung you other than my innocent contradiction to one single point of yours)

That's not cool and frankly unseemingly of you,

you're too cool for that imo. 🙂

Originally posted by Validus
PICS?!?

😆

I gotta admit, I'm really laughing up in here.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's obvious the Jack Kirby-esk character wasn't the 'real' artist of Marvel.

An avatar for the 'real' artists, is more likely. 🙂

Of course everything in a comic is subject to the whims of the writers, artists and editors at the company. Without them the comics don't get printed.

However; The Jack Kirby character is the way they percieved "The Creator" on panel, in his own words. The marvel.com link I posted mentioned the creator taking this form. Taking anything else out of the event is some type of extrapolating.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ey we can disagree and discuss our disagreements for pages on and it's cool with me.

I can have very long debates with intelligent and sensable debaters such as yourself,
why you have to lean into snide remarks, sarcasm and straight up disrespecting is strange.
It's uncalled for and unprovoked (I just went through the last two pages ... can't figure out what stung you other than my innocent contradiction to one single point of yours)

That's not cool and frankly unseemingly of you,

you're too cool for that imo. 🙂

Eh, I'm fine, I think some things you just took off base. Take the 'wave of nothing" thing you were saying was angry talk earlier for example
That should have read a "wave" of "nothing that contradicted me".
not that you literally posted a wave of nothing.

Originally posted by Juntai
However; The Jack Kirby character is the way they percieved "The Creator" on panel, in his own words.
I'm not arguing with you Jun.

"The creator" would be formless, and subject to change based on how those viewing him thought he/she would look. [Kind of like Galactus].

Marvel was just paying a little homage to Kirby in that issue, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not arguing with you Jun.

"The creator" would be formless, and subject to change based on how those viewing him thought he/she would look. [Kind of like Galactus].

Marvel was just paying a little homage to Kirby in that issue, imo.

I understand this, and that's what I've been saying since the start.

Originally posted by Juntai
However; The Jack Kirby character is the way they percieved "The Creator" on panel, in his own words.

So God, On Panel,

literally discussing Marvel Comic Book issues that will be published in the Real World,

doesn't say anything to you?

Simple yes or no will tell me what's going on here.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So God, On Panel,

literally discussing Marvel Comic Book issues that will be published in the Real World,

doesn't say anything to you?

Simple yes or no will tell me what's going on here.

Deadpool showed an actual Marvel comic to Squirrel Girl in the recent GLI special, I guess that makes Deadpool omnipotent. 🙄

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Deadpool showed an actual Marvel comic to Squirrel Girl in the recent GLI special, I guess that makes Deadpool omnipotent. 🙄
And Mxy hopping out of the Superman comic, and getting the writer yelled at by the editor makes Mxyzptlk >> TOAA.

Just wondering how or what is the FF doing perceiving Real World issues?

Like Comic Book companies?
(they were discussing marvel characters)

Like the process of making a Comic Book?
(the Writer is laying out ideas, the Artist says, he'll begin designing them)

Like even God telling them that even he doesn't know what will happen
until he basically draws it into Comics?
(isn't that how Real World Comic book Companies work?)

Ahh whatever. We'll agree to disagree. (cause no one's gonna budge)

Originally posted by Mr Master
So God, On Panel,

literally discussing Marvel Comic Book issues that will be published in the Real World,

doesn't say anything to you?

Simple yes or no will tell me what's going on here.

No more or less than Psycho Pirate doing it.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Deadpool showed an actual Marvel comic to Squirrel Girl in the recent GLI special, I guess that makes Deadpool omnipotent.

Alot of cats think you're an ahole. But I won't go there. 🙂

But for the more serious debater:

Those are goof issues, nothing more.

Stan Lee has conversations with characters in comics too,
but only ignorance would think that to be of canon consequence.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Ahh whatever. We'll agree to disagree. (cause no one's gonna budge)
Pretty much, and I do see the angle you're coming from. But I want to you understand where I'm coming from as well. It's not quite as literal to me, as it even mentions that it is merely a form he took, that's how they percieve him. Certainly it's a cool take, but it's clearly up to interpretation just how deep it runs.

Originally posted by Juntai
And Mxy hopping out of the Superman comic, and getting the writer yelled at by the editor makes Mxyzptlk >> TOAA.
Mxy not only did that,

But he got the actual script for "Identity Crisis" I think it was, from Carlin...

After Mxy read the script, he knew exactly what was going to happen in that arc.. 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Alot of cats think you're an ahole. But I won't go there. 🙂

But for the more serious debater:

Those are goof issues, nothing more.

Stan Lee has conversations with characters in comics too,
but only ignorance would think that to be of canon consequence.

What comic is GLI?

Originally posted by Juntai
No more or less than Psycho Pirate doing it.

I suppose that's a no.

I figured, thanx.

peace. 🙂

Originally posted by Juntai
What comic is GLI?

He's refering to Great Lakes Avengers.

That wasn't even remotely in the same sense as FF#511

But like I said, the kid is building a rep .. an ugly one.

Originally posted by Juntai
make note that this is not it's typical form, but that it's how he's being percieved[on panel]

How else is a comic book character going to perceive a real writer?

Originally posted by Juntai
There's nothing disagreeing with what I said from the very start that I've seen yet.

Only because you have intransigence by your side.

Originally posted by Mr Master
He's refering to Great Lakes Avengers.

That wasn't even remotely in the same sense as FF#511

But like I said, the kid is building a rep .. an ugly one.

Why, because I don't mindlessly agree with everything you say about the Marvel cosmic heirarchy?