Originally posted by Endless Mike
Why,
because I don't mindlessly agree with everything you say about the Marvel cosmic heirarchy?
I only say what Marvel says.
On the other hand,
you must be under the impression
that I give a hoot whether you comply or not to facts,
well ... I don't ... not one nip.
My remark was aimed at the vain attempt you made at getting a laugh at my expense.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Deadpool showed an actual Marvel comic to Squirrel Girl in the recent GLI special,I guess that makes Deadpool omnipotent.
You expect me to take you seriously after posting this ... this ... what is this?
Irrelevant gibberish ... trying to poke fun at me,
with completely unrelated material,
that has absolutely Nothing to do with the circumstances revolving around FF#511
trying to make me look silly instead of debating with consequential ideas,
and/or sensible theories/specualtions that atleast can hold up an argument.
Better yet, with Proof, which never seems to happen.
Anyways, you're barkin up the wrong tree dude,
you wanna have real discussions concerning Marvel ... I'd be my pleasure.
(I love talking Comics)
You wanna use irrelevant sarcasm, or sarcasm at all to debate seriously,
you'l be ignored next time, and you'l be known as such.
How you think Nvr lost any and all respect around here.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
The point is that just because someone appears as an artist or breaks the fourth wall doesn't make them more powerful than another god - type character.
"Fourth Wall" is totally meaningless in Marvel.
FF#511 has absolutely Nothing to do with any "Fourth Wall" ... (non-existent in Marvel)
It was raw and in our faces.
God/TOAA was discussing Real World Marvel Comic Book issues
that were going to be published in the Real World for us to read:
Originally posted by Mr Master
humThe Artist and Writer making plans over the phone for characters in Comic books:
"uh-huh ... the Forbidden City ... the Human Jungle. Right.
Suddenly the Black Panther springs from the trees""Ok, we'll make it the Silver Surfer! Yeah! Yeah!
WRITE IT UP and I'll START the DESIGNS"
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God/TOAA (the Artist & the Writer)
discussing Marvel Comic Book issues that will be published in the Real World.
shrug
meh, but as you wish.
This is an obvious fictional representation of Real World figures,
namely the Artists and the Writers of Marvel Comics.
Your argument was that because they were discussing real comics that were actually published, that somehow made TOAA greater than the Presence, so I just pointed out that Deadpool did the same thing. You tried to dismiss the argument by saying that it was not done in serious context, but that was just evading my point.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Your argument was that because they were discussing real comics that were actually published, that somehow made TOAA greater than the Presence,
If you're gonna try and quote me, be thorough.
There's nothing I dislike more than lies, especially concerning my name.
I have NEVER said TOAA/God was more or less powerful than the Presence.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
so I just pointed out that Deadpool did the same thing.
I have those issues.
Go ahead and show me Deadpool
discussing stories that will be published in the Real World in Marvel Comics.
GO ahead, please try.
Go ahead and show me Deadpool
in the process of creating stories for Marvel Comics from the Real World
and even drawing them into existence.
GO ahead, please try.
Go ahead and show me Deadpool
being referred to as God the Almighty by other characters.
By Bios, by Marvel.com.
GO ahead, please try.
Go ahead and show me Deadpool
referenced in a bio messing with Real World Comic books.
You can try all you want, but we both know what you'l be returning with,
nothing.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
You tried to dismiss the argument by saying that it was not done in serious context,
It wasn't even an argument.
It was a vain attempt at sarcasm and snideness.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
but that was just evading my point.
As you wish.
Originally posted by Mr Master
"Fourth Wall" is totally meaningless in Marvel.FF#511 has absolutely Nothing to do with any "Fourth Wall" ... (non-existent in Marvel)
It was raw and in our faces.
God/TOAA was discussing Real World Marvel Comic Book issues
that were going to be published in the Real World for us to read:This is an obvious fictional representation of Real World figures,
namely the Artists and the Writers of Marvel Comics.
That's how they saw TOAA/God (seeing Marvel takes the scientific approach and DC takes the more religious approach), clearly stated. LT has also talked to God/Jack as it seems. If by what you say are true then it takes TWO near supreme beings to make the MU not just 1 if we go by the Artist/Writer concept you think is right. If there was just TOAA/writer he wouldn't be able to draw the comic because there would be no Artist. The Presence doesn't need anyone to create anything for him he can create everything himself. Just something to think about 🙂
Originally posted by kevdude
That's how they saw TOAA/God (seeing Marvel takes the scientific approach and DC takes the more religious approach), clearly stated. LT has also talked to God/Jack as it seems. If by what you say are true then it takes TWO near supreme beings to make the MU not just 1 if we go by the Artist/Writer concept you think is right. If there was just TOAA/writer he wouldn't be able to draw the comic because there would be no Artist. The Presence doesn't need anyone to create anything for him he can create everything himself. Just something to think about 🙂
Originally posted by Air Legend
The Presence was created by external forces aka artists and writers. Your posts are really annoying (so much that at times I want to completely ignore them), but I pretty much had to (not really I could have ignored it) respond to this one.
Your post are equally annoying. You bash on this forum for no reason and don't even go looking for info. Did you even look into The Source like I told you?? Probably not, but i didn't think you would..
Originally posted by kevdude
That's how they saw TOAA/God (seeing Marvel takes the scientific approach and DC takes the more religious approach), clearly stated.
4th Wall doesn't exist in Marvel.
Originally posted by kevdude
LT has also talked to God/Jack as it seems.
Jack has nothing to do with this.
God/TOAA aren't even in the same class as comic book characters,
because they imagine and create everything that takes place in Marvel Comics.
So THOTI, the LT and eveything else in Marvel, including every story,
is just ideas and drawing on paper to God/TOAA.
The LT is their representitive in Comics, "the ultimate Judge" the "last word"
but the LT has never stated that he has converse with TOAA/God.
And the LT has never been seen on panel with them.
But again,
the LT is just a drawing to God/TOAA.
Originally posted by kevdude
If by what you say are true then it takes TWO near supreme beings to make the MU not just 1 if we go by the Artist/Writer concept you think is right.
Why would they be near supreme?
There's no other character that can even dream of challenging them,
fo they are "the Creators" of everything that takes place in Marvel Comics.
It's not even a question or matter of "Titles"
The TOAA/God are beyond categorization, beyond scales or levels.
Originally posted by kevdude
If there was just TOAA/writer he wouldn't be able to draw the comic because there would be no Artist.
😆
There are tons of Writers and Artists around to pick up where one falls.
Again, it's not a matter of levels of power here.
They literally draw what takes place on panel.
So unless they draw themselves losing, 😂
(they can't lose against characters that appear in comics)
I've said this before,
they're like characters within Comics ... yet outside the laws of Comics.
(Stan Lee walking around in Marvel Comics on panel is a goof)
This on the other hand, is valid canonicity.
Originally posted by kevdude
The Presence doesn't need anyone to create anything for him he can create everything himself.
The Presence deals with comic book characters,
as though they were existing within a "real" World on panel.
The Presence is depicted as a fictional yet serious divine figure on panel,
he's an actual character within comics.
God/TOAA knows everything that takes place on panel is just ideas
and drawings on paper.
His/Their ideas and drawings on paper.
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Michael is the power of the Presence
Spectre is the Wrath of the Presence
Luc is the Will of the Presence
the Source
the Word
and and on.
The only connection the Living Tribunal & THOTI have with TOAA/God is,
they are drawings on a piece paper that were thought up and drawn by them.
Originally posted by kevdude
Just something to think about
🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
Michael is the power of Presence
There is a power within me. The Dunamis Demiurgos. God's power.
It's obvious when he's referring to God's power he means the power of creation. If he literally had all of God's power he would be the Presence himself.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I never said Deadpool was referred to as God or anything, merely that he was showing actual comics published by Marvel inside of another comic,which you were claiming as a feat for TOAA.
You're still trying to compare the Two,
if so, address these points and we'll proceed:
Originally posted by Mr Master
I have those issues.Go ahead and show me Deadpool
discussing stories that will be published in the Real World in Marvel Comics.GO ahead, please try.
Go ahead and show me Deadpool
in the process of creating stories for Marvel Comics from the Real World
and even drawing them into existence.GO ahead, please try.
Go ahead and show me Deadpool
being referred to as God the Almighty by other characters.
By Bios, by Marvel.com.GO ahead, please try.
Go ahead and show me Deadpool
referenced in a bio messing with Real World Comic books. [/B]
That's how God/TOAA was depicted in FF#511, official bios, and Marvel.com
can you say the same for Deadpool and his silly comic book?
GO ahead, please try.
Originally posted by Air Legend
This is the only problem I have with your post. Michael has the power of creation.
There is a power within me. [B]The Dunamis Demiurgos. God's power.
It's obvious when he's referring to God's power he means the power of creation. If he literally had all of God's power he would be the Presence himself. [/B]
Good point.
But for the sake of argument, I'm trying to knock over one stone at a time.
You're repeating the same thing over again. I never said Deadpool was referred to as God or anything, but the fact that actual comics are shown inside the comics is not a feat for the characters. It doesn't make them somehow more than just characters. They're fictional representations of actual artists.
And what do you mean the 4th wall doesn't exist in Marvel? The 4th wall exists in all fiction.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
You're repeating the same thing over again. I never said Deadpool was referred to as God or anything, but the fact that actual comics are shown inside the comics is not a feat for the characters. It doesn't make them somehow more than just characters. They're fictional representations of actual artists.And what do you mean the 4th wall doesn't exist in Marvel? The 4th wall exists in all fiction.
This is what you said:
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Deadpool showed an actual Marvel comic to Squirrel Girl in the recent GLI special, I guess that makes Deadpool omnipotent. 🙄
"I guess that makes Deadpool omnipotent." Sounds like you're comparing him to "God" to me.
