Originally posted by manorastroman
getting beaten by dormammu is nothing to be ashamed of. he HAS overpowered eternity...and giraud is just a low-level host. probably around early nineties rachel grey.
I agree.
People in this forum always make light of Dormammu. They have no idea how bad he is.
He is like a magical Beyonder, or higher.
Originally posted by Ext@ntthanos absorbed not just the universe, but all in existance (the multi-verse).... he possessed TOAA's power
I think forces like THOTU and Galactus who can consume the universe are more then capable of taking out the Phoenix. On at least 4 occasions the Phoenix has been severly injured by simple beam weapons.
Originally posted by Mr MasterOh my dear boy this is much too easy.
Really? So why has your attempt at a rebuttal ONCE AGAIN achieved NOT A THING?
Why have you just reposted your previously defeated argument once again with additional irrelevant commentary?
The points are the same, the analysis is the same, this is just a cut and paste job with additional snidey comments which unfortunately for you fail to hide the fact that you are either a straight up liar or you have incredibly poor interpretation skills. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
Ok...Jean is reminded to "Now heal wound MAKE Better FUTURE"
Jean loses concentration IN THERE, (WHERE do you think She IS?) Telepathically or Sub-consciuosly I don't know, but Jean is IN THERE (READ the SCAN)
INSIDE the WHITE HOT ROOM, REPAIRING the FUTURE.
Rubbish! Here is the full scene laid out once again for all to see!
Jean is told that her actions have resulted in the "patient" being fatally wounded and that unless it is healed it will die.
With Jean despairing that her friends deserve a better fate than the "Here Comes Tomorrow" future Jean (who is at the time facing away from the crystal) is beckoned by the Consciousness to turn around, that hope is not lost yet. ( "No end yet"😉 That she needs to go somewhere to resolve the situation.("There"😉
The future is then taken away from her by the claws and we are then shown an image of the crystal which is referred to as the "Hospital" and marked out as the "White Hot" Room.
Jean is shown looking back at the crystal as per the Consciousness' commands. ( "turn around" ) Jean is directed there to "heal wound. Make better future grow" with the future being carried away by the claws in the OPPOSITE direction.
The "hospital", the White Hot Room is the M'kraan crystal, Jean is clearly shown with the future (which youre trying to delude us into thinking is the patient) OUTSIDE the white hot room so youre conclusively talking shit
While looking back at the crystal , that the Consciousness directed her to to heal the patient, Jean says she lost her concentration "in there"
The M'kraan crystal, the nexus of all reality is the access point to the White Hot Room which itself is the "core of creation" (Uncanny X-men 462, Phoenix bio in Off HBK: X-men 2005). When Jean says she lost her concentration in there, she means within creation. Shes just reiterating the Consciousness' earlier statement about Jean losing her concentration and becoming too emotionally involved during her mission.
Where did Jeans mission take place?
Within reality. 😄
With all that in mind let me repost my query:
Originally posted by GalacticStormIf the patient is the future then why was the future taken away from Jean before she was directed to the "Hospital" (White Hot Room) to grow a better future? Surely Jean would have need of the future (the green mass) if it was indeed the patient as your faulty interpretation claims.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Turn (some kinda White Hot Room code word for, "keep on fixing"😉
Garbage.
It was merely telling her to turn back to the crystal she was facing away from.
Originally posted by Mr Master
NEXT PANEL:It tells Jean, "Telekinetic control of all those Atoms at once isn't as easy as it sounds in training, NOT even for a White Phoenix of the Crown..."
"Telekinetic control of all those Atoms?"....... of WHAT Atoms?The ONLY action I've seen, is A Future being Repaired.
It's actually talking about the FUTURE that was just Repaired.
The future wasnt repaired. The future was amputated. You amputate things you dont need, things which are detrimental to the main body. Once the future (the green mass) was cut away, it was then taken away from Jean while she was directed to the White Hot Room, the "hospital" where she was directed to "heal the wound", to "grow a better future", all of that without the future anywhere in sight.
Within the "HOSPITAL" where Jean was directed to "HEAL THE WOUND" to " GROW A BETTER FUTURE" Jean materialized the "BADLY WOUNDED" universe. When she asked the Consciousness what it was she had to fix, she was told it was this very same universe she materialized in her hand.
While we dont know what specific process Jean went through in the above scene, we do know what it involved(the telekinetic control of the universe atoms) and to what end (the growing of a better future to replace the one she cut away, the one that was taken away from her prior to this scene) Therefore we still have a feat. You not knowing the specific process is irrelevant. ✅
As your reposting has been consistently taken apart in this thread and as you have once again failed to address my queries, my previous post is as valid as ever. In light of that i think i'll post it again 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your post pertaining to the scene from New X-men is just a repost. You have not addressed the points i illustrated which made this post redundant on previous pages. You have merely stubbornly restated your opinion. That is not how adults debate my young friend. Get with it. We will get this issue out of the way before i move on to dismiss your posting of the irrelevant Phoenix scans and the Ultimate Nullifier issue. Trust me you have achieved nothing as you will later see. 🙂If the patient is the future then why was the future taken away from Jean before she was directed to the "Hospital" (White Hot Room) to grow a better future? Surely Jean would have need of the future (the green mass) if it was indeed the patient as your faulty interpretation claims.
When asked by Jean what it was she had to fix why is it the Phoenix Consciousness tells her "The BADLY WOUNDED orphan universe"? You know, the one she amputated the future from. The thing she materialized in the palm of her hand, within the "hospital", after being directed there to grow a better future for the "patient"
If the patient is the future then why is it that when Jean has 616 in the palm of her hand, she is told that if she wants to grow it (the "BADLY WOUNDED" universe in her hand) a new future she has to water it with her hearts blood?
If the patient is the long absent (from panel) future then why is it that Jean applies her power to the "BADLY WOUNDED" universe she materialized within the "hospital" in order to alter the past and create a new future for the 616 universe?
You are CONCLUSIVELY incorrect. You have made a horrible interpretation and that is quite evident to ALL who read the last few pages of this thread and the comic in question. I believe you know you are horribly mistaken and yet you are unwilling to concede because of pride and the fact that your interpretation is an attempt to demote Phoenixes feats. Phoenix the character you see as a great threat to your idol the Beyonder.
Dont repost your vanquished argument. Counter my points and then i will address those Phoenix scans you have posted. ( I cant wait!! 😱 )
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As your reposting has been consistently taken apart in this thread and as you have once again failed to address my queries, my previous post is as valid as ever. In light of that i think i'll post it again 🙂
So now your acting like that david richards guy? Yeah, that's really goona help your arguement.
Originally posted by Ext@nt
So now your acting like that david richards guy? Yeah, that's really goona help your arguement.
Not in the slightest. Are you actually reading what im saying? 😕
His points pertaining to the scene have been proven incorrect conclusively, instead of him conceding or providing a counter, he has reposted for about the third time the exact same post. He has then gone on to post alot of other irrelevant (to the argument on the scene) Phoenix scans as a way of detracting from that point. Why should i turn around and address these unrelated points and help him to avoid the points ive brought to light?
Do you understand now? 🙂
Originally posted by Ext@nt
GS, grow up. Your acting allot like that david richards guy and it will get you nowhere. All your doing now is pouting. "I wont awnser you until you awnser me." What childish nonsense.
Not in the slightest. Get with it. Him addressing the point is key to the whole Phoenix issue and he knows that, that is why instead of conceding he is just reposting once again, before switching to a side issue. Why am i going to help him avoid that key point by addressing those additional scans? 😕
Once one point in this Phoenix argument has been addressed we can move on to another and so on. Whats happening now is points are being brought up by myself and are being left unanswered (presumably because he cant) He is then changing the focus to attract attention away from that point. I will not help him do that on what is a key issue. Therefore once my points have been addressed or he admits he cannot like an adult, then i will happily address the rest. What has been posted in addition is nothing that has not been brought up in many a Phoenix argument before. It is easily handled. Im just waiting for him to give me the oppurtunity. 🙂
