Pope' s Speech Stirs Muslim Anger

Originally posted by Alliance
Generally, offending people only sitrs them into action against you.

Maybe if we stopped assassinating their leaders. We'll..we did take a short break. The arab world is not in 800 CE. In 800 CE Baghdad was the intellectual and cultural capital of the world. The Arabs have a very modern mentality, its just not the one that you (and I) would prefer them to have.

I'm sure bombing the hell out of them is a productive way to help them industrialize...oh wait...we don't want them to industrialize. Why? Because we made them hate us.

I don't understand.

Originally posted by Sam Z
It doesn't really matter, they still can do that. My point is that it's funny that Pope has freedom of speech to say these things about islam but when they get upset and express their feelings about it everyone forget about that right and start blaming them for only trying to get apologies. It's simply not fair.

He apologized days after the comment, and if he didn't support the emperor's views, he should have made it clear in his speech.

I've made my points that international responsibility trumps freedom of speech for international leaders, nothing you said has med me remotely reconsider that position. You are clearly not aware of the historical situation surrounding this issue.

Originally posted by Alliance
He apologized days after the comment, and if he didn't support the emperor's views, he should have made it clear in his speech.

I've made my points that international responsibility trumps freedom of speech for international leaders, nothing you said has med me remotely reconsider that position. You are clearly not aware of the historical situation surrounding this issue.

What if he agrees with the view? I would even say International Leaders have the obligation to use their Freedom of Speech to make wrongdoings clear to the people of the world.

Originally posted by Sam Z
I don't know where that praising Hitler thing came from but as for calling Jews names it is the least thing Arabs could do for what Jews did. By the way about freedom of speech, it usually limited when it comes to Jews, not muslims. Try talking about Holocaust. Do you know how many people were charged for doubting Holocaust? And not only that. When it comes to middle east conflicts media ussually only covers actions of countries israel fights against and never actions of israel itself.

Originally posted by markie
That is not true, I read about the actions of israel in the news as much or more than the arab countries.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What if he agrees with the view? I would even say International Leaders have the obligation to use their Freedom of Speech to make wrongdoings clear to the people of the world.

Saying "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman" Is over the line. First off, its not the Pope's view. Secondly, if he believes those things, he is one of the stupidist people on the planet.

We condemn people's calls for Isreal to be destroyed...thats people using thier freedom of speech to make thier percieved wrongdoings to the people of the world.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No. Osama knew EXACTLY which day to pick.

Sept 11th marked the begining of the defeat of Muslims in Europe.

Probably chose American Airlines for the fact that America is a Christian country......making another statement....but we all knew that.

Originally posted by Alliance
Ha. You think that's not quoting an attack on Islam?

Originally posted by Alliance
Kind of like how Christians do? Repeatedly?

Originally posted by markie
I haven't read about christians burning stuff and making death threats.

Burning things:

1400s: Louis the 14th burns 40,000 Jewish holy scriptures.

Killing things:

1560s: Queen Elizabeth massacres Catholic clergymen in England.

1994: Catholic majority kills 90,000 Protestants in a small tow in Northern Ireland.

You're right, Christians don't make threats. They bypass that step and instantly start killing.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Burning things:

1400s: Louis the 14th burns 40,000 Jewish holy scriptures.

Killing things:

1560s: Queen Elizabeth massacres Catholic clergymen in England.

1994: Catholic majority kills 90,000 Protestants in a small tow in Northern Ireland.

You're right, Christians don't make threats. They bypass that step and instantly start killing.

Got any recenterer?

Also the pope talked about all religions.

Originally posted by markie
I haven't read about christians burning stuff and making death threats.

Christian groups such as the Advocates for Life Ministries and the American Coalition of Life Activists have threatened to fire bomb abortion clinics and murder abortion doctors and their families.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Got any recenterer?

Also the pope talked about all religions.

I think 1994 is pretty recent.

And like PoE said, Christian radicals threaten abortion clinic employees.

Originally posted by markie
If it was islam needs to be attacked. It was more of a critisizm and all religions need to be critisized. Catholocism is criticized by somebody almost every day and I don't read about catholics rioting and burning stuff down. Muslims get insulted too easy.They try to convince us their religion is peaceful and they riot over an imaginary offence. If they don't have anything to riot about they make something up.

Ha. Don't be so naieve, there is the hole political situation surrounding this thing. If you think that is is an isolated incident...pick up a history book, preferable one on Middle Eastern History.

Originally posted by markie
I haven't read about christians burning stuff and making death threats.

Again Pick up a history book and maybe try getting access to information. It happens all the time, jsut because its not the to the scale or frequency of some Islamic fundamentals doesn't mean Chirstianity is in any way is above such things.

Originally posted by Alliance
I know the context of the statement, I've read the transcript of the speech.

Congratualtions on your copy and paste skillz.

The statement was hateful and anti-Islam, as it specifically attacks Muhammad. The Pope quotes it and then does not refute it. Its not a jump at all to then project the statemetns of the Emperor onto the quote itself.

You haven't counteracted any of my points, which make self-evident that that quote should not have been in that speech. Period.

I wasn't aware that I was involved in any riots 😕.

I think Jesus Christ brought nothing but war to the world. Thank God that Muhammed came to clean us of his sin.

We're tired of your Holy Crusade against Islam. Get your armies out of Islamic nations, stop assasinating our leaders and let Israel spread its reign of terror accross our lands.

The Pope's comments are a culmination of a general attitude: fear of the west. Its not just a simple crticism, it shows the underlying bigotry in the people who have been raping the Middle Wast for decades. Its time for you to leave.

Originally posted by Alliance
And once again you can't understand what a main point is. Can you not read?

I never claimed I understood everything. Get over yourself.

That quote should not have been there. Period.

The reaction is a whole different story, one which I have never argued. Being rational, deliberate, and in control solves problems. I'm sure your fight fire with fire solution will solve the issue. Good luck with that.

Originally posted by Alliance
😆 I'm commenting on the Pope's speech and his frankly stupid comment. I'm commenting on how he failed as an international leader and as a Christian.

SO. I AM NOT DEFENDING THE REACTION OF ISLAM.

I am attacking the Pope's stupid speech. And saying that this whole situation (out of which nothing good is coming right now) could have been avoided by a little common sensea nd proper speechwriting.

But I'm glad we agree on the last point.

Ya know, Middle Eastern food is pretty good!

That's my input...............what people can do with garbanzo beans is quite amazing.......