Originally posted by ThePittman
If God created all things down to the smallest particle to atoms then how can it be explained though science and not some mystical power, why would he make it so that it can be explained through science?
Because that is the way that God operates, that is His modus operandi. He knew that there would be academicians who would try and explain away His infinite genius, ingenuity, understanding, knowledge, intelligence, and wisdom. So He put His signature as it were in and on all of His creative work (i.e. nature, life, natural laws, etc.) so that just like a person in search of treasure you all could unearth them piecemeal and marvel. God beholds as you discover that science and God do not contradict one another, but they are complentary.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveSo you are saying that you know how he works and what he thinks?
Because that is the way that God operates, that is His modus operandi. He knew that there would be academicians who would try and explain away His infinite genius, ingenuity, understanding, knowledge, intelligence, and wisdom. So He put His signature as it were in and on all of His creative work (i.e. nature, life, natural laws, etc.) so that just like a person in search of treasure you all could unearth them piecemeal and marvel. God beholds as you discover that science and God do not contradict one another, but they are complentary.
However the advancement of science and understanding of the world around us leads to disproving his existence not proving he is real. As humans gain a greater knowledge of science we move away from religion, as each generation passes and mans knowledge expands religions start to fade.
Originally posted by ThePittman
So you are saying that you know how he works and what he thinks?However the advancement of science and understanding of the world around us leads to disproving his existence not proving he is real. As humans gain a greater knowledge of science we move away from religion, as each generation passes and mans knowledge expands religions start to fade.
I am not talking about "religion" I am talking about God. Religion is a means to an end. The end being a relationship (fellowship) with God. That is what people are searching for. But instead of coming to God through Jesus (as the Bible instructs) people have tried to get to God through self-effort (i.e., this man-made thing called religion). Religion has nothing to do with God. Religion is not some "thing" out in a vacuum. It is something that is man-made for the purpose of approaching God. But it is not the answer. Jesus is the answer. I know what the Lord God has revealed to me in His Word about what He thinks and how He operates.
Science Reveals God
As a rule, when God and science are mentioned together, it is either in an effort to disprove God or science. There are admittedly contradictions between God and science, especially modern, pseudo science (I Tim. 6: 20, KJV). In this material, though, we want to briefly examine how true science actually reveals God and certain truths about God (as taught in God’s word). Of course, in an absolute sense, there is no empirical evidence (test tube) that God exists. (It is also a fact, however, that "science" does not require empirical proof for all scientific tenets.) For instance, "no man has seen God" (I Jn. 4: 12). God is invisible and intangible (Rom. 1: 20, Jn. 4: 24). Hence, we approach God "by faith" (Heb. 11: 6, Gen. 1: 1). However, there is scientific proof that God exists (not to exclude faith): a case in point being creation implies a Creator. Let us now notice some revealing truths about God from science itself.
Biogenesis – attests to life begets life. This may sound shocking to some but true science rejects the hypothesis that "life came from nothingness." The scientific law of biogenesis requires life begetting life. According to the Genesis’ account of creation, God was the present and active force behind all creation (Gen. 1: 3, 6, 9, 11, 14, 20, 24, 26, 29). Notice the repeated occurrence of "and God said…." The particulars and sequence of the Genesis’ account agrees with established science. Thus, all who subscribe to the tenets of Darwinian evolution (life came from nothingness) are not scientific.
[b Paleontology – witnesses the validity of the Genesis’ account.[/b] When we refer to paleontology we are alluding to the fossil record. If some were not so closed minded, they would appreciate that the biblical account of creation and the science of paleontology are in harmony. For instance, there is a mixture of the simple and the complex (Gen. 1: 1, 2 "without form," 3-25, and earth with all the complexities, consummating in man, vss. 21, 27).
In the account of creation, life suddenly appears, fully formed (Gen. 1: 20, 21, 24, 27, 28). Paleontology also teaches the sudden introduction of mature life. There is no intimation of gradation, either in Genesis or the fossil record. Life was created mature and ready to reproduce (ibid.).
In this same vein, the record in Genesis explains why there are no transitional forms (a tadpole developing into man, i.e., all the progressive developmental stages...). The fossil record also presents evidence consistent with Genesis – no transitional forms.
Just think how the Genesis’ flood would have and did impact the fossil record (Gen. 7; 8). You would have universal fossil evidence of life forms being suddenly fossilized, often in stratum of dense mud, rock, and/or ice. Paleontology reveals fossil facts that are consistent and corresponding to the effects of the Genesis’ flood. Indeed, there is undeniable paleontological evidence of severe geological, atmospheric, and hydrological changes to the earth – just as would have been produced by such a great catastrophe as the flood described in Genesis chapters seven and eight.
Thermodynamics – a running down process. In common parlance, science indicates the universe did not evolve and continue to improve, but rather the converse. To advance organic evolution is to contradict this scientific second law of thermodynamics. The truth of the Bible is that there is a "running down" of the universe (Heb. 1: 10-12).
The law of genetics – informs us of order. There is order and perpetuity of life in the biblical account of creation. Notice how each was to produce "after their own kind" (Gen. 1: 11, 21, 25). Science does not identify God, but it does necessarily imply God. A man, any man, or group of men, would have been totally beyond known contemporary science, irreconcilably beyond, I might add, (contemporary to the writing of Genesis) in setting forth all the creation information resident in the Genesis’ account. To believe that fallible man could have been responsible for the Genesis’ record is unimaginably ludicrous!
Intelligent reader, biogenesis tells us life begets life, paleontology confirms the account in Genesis, thermodynamics points to creation rather than organic evolution, and the science of genetics reveals some of the complexities and order of the introduction of life and its propagation.
True science reveals the reality of God, but the Bible alone reveals the "person" of God the Creator and his will (see "The Godhead" in Great Truths and also "The Truth About Man," in Archives).
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am not talking about "religion" I am talking about God. Religion is a means to an end. The end being a relationship (fellowship) with God. That is what people are searching for. But instead of coming to God through Jesus (as the Bible instructs) people have tried to get to God through self-effort (i.e., this man-made thing called religion). Religion has nothing to do with God. Religion is not some "thing" out in a vacuum. It is something that is man-made for the purpose of approaching God. But it is not the answer. Jesus is the answer. I know what the Lord God has revealed to me in His Word about what He thinks and how He operates.[B]Science Reveals God
As a rule, when God and science are mentioned together, it is either in an effort to disprove God or science. There are admittedly contradictions between God and science, especially modern, pseudo science (I Tim. 6: 20, KJV). In this material, though, we want to briefly examine how true science actually reveals God and certain truths about God (as taught in God’s word). Of course, in an absolute sense, there is no empirical evidence (test tube) that God exists. (It is also a fact, however, that "science" does not require empirical proof for all scientific tenets.) For instance, "no man has seen God" (I Jn. 4: 12). God is invisible and intangible (Rom. 1: 20, Jn. 4: 24). Hence, we approach God "by faith" (Heb. 11: 6, Gen. 1: 1). However, there is scientific proof that God exists (not to exclude faith): a case in point being creation implies a Creator. Let us now notice some revealing truths about God from science itself.
Biogenesis – attests to life begets life. This may sound shocking to some but true science rejects the hypothesis that "life came from nothingness." The scientific law of biogenesis requires life begetting life. According to the Genesis’ account of creation, God was the present and active force behind all creation (Gen. 1: 3, 6, 9, 11, 14, 20, 24, 26, 29). Notice the repeated occurrence of "and God said…." The particulars and sequence of the Genesis’ account agrees with established science. Thus, all who subscribe to the tenets of Darwinian evolution (life came from nothingness) are not scientific.
[b Paleontology – witnesses the validity of the Genesis’ account.[/b] When we refer to paleontology we are alluding to the fossil record. If some were not so closed minded, they would appreciate that the biblical account of creation and the science of paleontology are in harmony. For instance, there is a mixture of the simple and the complex (Gen. 1: 1, 2 "without form," 3-25, and earth with all the complexities, consummating in man, vss. 21, 27).
In the account of creation, life suddenly appears, fully formed (Gen. 1: 20, 21, 24, 27, 28). Paleontology also teaches the sudden introduction of mature life. There is no intimation of gradation, either in Genesis or the fossil record. Life was created mature and ready to reproduce (ibid.).
In this same vein, the record in Genesis explains why there are no transitional forms (a tadpole developing into man, i.e., all the progressive developmental stages...). The fossil record also presents evidence consistent with Genesis – no transitional forms.
Just think how the Genesis’ flood would have and did impact the fossil record (Gen. 7; 8). You would have universal fossil evidence of life forms being suddenly fossilized, often in stratum of dense mud, rock, and/or ice. Paleontology reveals fossil facts that are consistent and corresponding to the effects of the Genesis’ flood. Indeed, there is undeniable paleontological evidence of severe geological, atmospheric, and hydrological changes to the earth – just as would have been produced by such a great catastrophe as the flood described in Genesis chapters seven and eight.
Thermodynamics – a running down process. In common parlance, science indicates the universe did not evolve and continue to improve, but rather the converse. To advance organic evolution is to contradict this scientific second law of thermodynamics. The truth of the Bible is that there is a "running down" of the universe (Heb. 1: 10-12).
The law of genetics – informs us of order. There is order and perpetuity of life in the biblical account of creation. Notice how each was to produce "after their own kind" (Gen. 1: 11, 21, 25). Science does not identify God, but it does necessarily imply God. A man, any man, or group of men, would have been totally beyond known contemporary science, irreconcilably beyond, I might add, (contemporary to the writing of Genesis) in setting forth all the creation information resident in the Genesis’ account. To believe that fallible man could have been responsible for the Genesis’ record is unimaginably ludicrous!
Intelligent reader, biogenesis tells us life begets life, paleontology confirms the account in Genesis, thermodynamics points to creation rather than organic evolution, and the science of genetics reveals some of the complexities and order of the introduction of life and its propagation.
True science reveals the reality of God, but the Bible alone reveals the "person" of God the Creator and his will (see "The Godhead" in Great Truths and also "The Truth About Man," in Archives).
No erudite and scholarly replies?
Without religion there would be no God, they are all the same. Why do you believe in a religion or follow its teaching is because it is supposed to be the word of God so they are the same. As time goes on and people learn more religions and the belief in God starts to fade, simply look at the numbers of followers today as compared to 100 years ago. In another 1,000 years people will look back and laugh at what people used to believe as many do with the Greek gods now.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am not talking about "religion" I am talking about God. Religion is a means to an end. The end being a relationship (fellowship) with God. That is what people are searching for. But instead of coming to God through Jesus (as the Bible instructs) people have tried to get to God through self-effort (i.e., this man-made thing called religion). Religion has nothing to do with God. Religion is not some "thing" out in a vacuum. It is something that is man-made for the purpose of approaching God. But it is not the answer. Jesus is the answer. I know what the Lord God has revealed to me in His Word about what He thinks and how He operates.[B]Science Reveals God
As a rule, when God and science are mentioned together, it is either in an effort to disprove God or science. There are admittedly contradictions between God and science, especially modern, pseudo science (I Tim. 6: 20, KJV). In this material, though, we want to briefly examine how true science actually reveals God and certain truths about God (as taught in God’s word). Of course, in an absolute sense, there is no empirical evidence (test tube) that God exists. (It is also a fact, however, that "science" does not require empirical proof for all scientific tenets.) For instance, "no man has seen God" (I Jn. 4: 12). God is invisible and intangible (Rom. 1: 20, Jn. 4: 24). Hence, we approach God "by faith" (Heb. 11: 6, Gen. 1: 1). However, there is scientific proof that God exists (not to exclude faith): a case in point being creation implies a Creator. Let us now notice some revealing truths about God from science itself.
Biogenesis – attests to life begets life. This may sound shocking to some but true science rejects the hypothesis that "life came from nothingness." The scientific law of biogenesis requires life begetting life. According to the Genesis’ account of creation, God was the present and active force behind all creation (Gen. 1: 3, 6, 9, 11, 14, 20, 24, 26, 29). Notice the repeated occurrence of "and God said…." The particulars and sequence of the Genesis’ account agrees with established science. Thus, all who subscribe to the tenets of Darwinian evolution (life came from nothingness) are not scientific.
[b Paleontology – witnesses the validity of the Genesis’ account.[/b] When we refer to paleontology we are alluding to the fossil record. If some were not so closed minded, they would appreciate that the biblical account of creation and the science of paleontology are in harmony. For instance, there is a mixture of the simple and the complex (Gen. 1: 1, 2 "without form," 3-25, and earth with all the complexities, consummating in man, vss. 21, 27).
In the account of creation, life suddenly appears, fully formed (Gen. 1: 20, 21, 24, 27, 28). Paleontology also teaches the sudden introduction of mature life. There is no intimation of gradation, either in Genesis or the fossil record. Life was created mature and ready to reproduce (ibid.).
In this same vein, the record in Genesis explains why there are no transitional forms (a tadpole developing into man, i.e., all the progressive developmental stages...). The fossil record also presents evidence consistent with Genesis – no transitional forms.
Just think how the Genesis’ flood would have and did impact the fossil record (Gen. 7; 8). You would have universal fossil evidence of life forms being suddenly fossilized, often in stratum of dense mud, rock, and/or ice. Paleontology reveals fossil facts that are consistent and corresponding to the effects of the Genesis’ flood. Indeed, there is undeniable paleontological evidence of severe geological, atmospheric, and hydrological changes to the earth – just as would have been produced by such a great catastrophe as the flood described in Genesis chapters seven and eight.
Thermodynamics – a running down process. In common parlance, science indicates the universe did not evolve and continue to improve, but rather the converse. To advance organic evolution is to contradict this scientific second law of thermodynamics. The truth of the Bible is that there is a "running down" of the universe (Heb. 1: 10-12).
The law of genetics – informs us of order. There is order and perpetuity of life in the biblical account of creation. Notice how each was to produce "after their own kind" (Gen. 1: 11, 21, 25). Science does not identify God, but it does necessarily imply God. A man, any man, or group of men, would have been totally beyond known contemporary science, irreconcilably beyond, I might add, (contemporary to the writing of Genesis) in setting forth all the creation information resident in the Genesis’ account. To believe that fallible man could have been responsible for the Genesis’ record is unimaginably ludicrous!
Intelligent reader, biogenesis tells us life begets life, paleontology confirms the account in Genesis, thermodynamics points to creation rather than organic evolution, and the science of genetics reveals some of the complexities and order of the introduction of life and its propagation.
True science reveals the reality of God, but the Bible alone reveals the "person" of God the Creator and his will (see "The Godhead" in Great Truths and also "The Truth About Man," in Archives).
I know who we need: where is Templares when we need him. He makes an effort to explain away my posts on creation and evolution.
Still waiting for an erudite and scholarly reply to this post.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveAll I see is you posting what others have said not what you think, can you not think for yourself? Then again that is why you believe what you do because you can’t.
I know who we need: where is Templares when we need him. He makes an effort to explain away my posts on creation and evolution.Still waiting for an erudite and scholarly reply to this post.
Originally posted by dark99
umm this has probably been asked a million times already... but I can never seem to get a good answer that actually manages to answer the question...who created God...?
God is eternal (i.e. the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and End, First and Last) that is why He does not have a Creator. Furthermore, God is self-existent. Interestingly enough His Name is derived from the Hebrew verb to be.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God is eternal (i.e. the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and End, First and Last) that is why He does not have a Creator. Furthermore, God is self-existent. Interestingly enough His Name is derived from the Hebrew verb to be.
But "he" is a "he" therefore "he" is a man, and being a man, "he" is limited.